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Post by wandonlodge2 on Jan 31, 2011 11:15:05 GMT
Wanton - I agree that a reasoned balanced debate is spoilt by extreme views. My frustration was misguided to be aimed at you - so I apologise for that. It however stands in the main for this board as it appears we cant get past the TP is the best thing since sliced bread or TP is shit chappies (replace TP for many a player re similar discussion) Personally I do think our nogga has gone down hill a tad since Bolton and TP has shrunk into his shell. For me this what I perceive to be regression is playing style is magnified by the supposed incomings and outgoings on deadline day. We wil have to wait and see No apology needed. I think TP is worried by the fact that there are no teams starting to lose touch at the bottom. Liverpool in 7th are only ten points off the relegation zone. Any team going on a bad run now could go down. I think a 'get to 40 points by any means' mentality is now in play and that it will take preference over any other considerations.
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Post by rawli on Jan 31, 2011 11:32:51 GMT
Apart from the big clubs I don't think there is such a thing as an established premier league club. All of them have the possibility of having a nightmare season and being relegated.
The mantra of staying up for 3 years and then we'll be established isn't correct. Most clubs will always have to worry more about relegation than anything else. That said I don't think we'll ever 'push on' as fear will alway rule the way we play.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jan 31, 2011 12:20:52 GMT
There a lots of posters with exactly the same fears. Pulis does not seem at all interested in playing football and reverts to this garbage when nobody else can see a reason to. The same garbage that has seen us go from relegation candidates to a strong, mid table, Premier League side?
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Post by hotterpotter on Jan 31, 2011 12:40:27 GMT
Apart from the big clubs I don't think there is such a thing as an established premier league club. All of them have the possibility of having a nightmare season and being relegated. The mantra of staying up for 3 years and then we'll be established isn't correct. Most clubs will always have to worry more about relegation than anything else. That said I don't think we'll ever 'push on' as fear will alway rule the way we play. As Pulis has been banging on about "the three year plan" almost since day one, I am inclined to wait and see what happens next season (providing we stay up). Of course people (me included) are going to get frustrated when we play 'hoofball', but the majority of us will also be happy to still be in the prem after three years - the two are not mutually exclusive. If we're still playing the same way in a couple of years time, I think people will really start to turn on Pulis.
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 14:47:42 GMT
There a lots of posters with exactly the same fears. Pulis does not seem at all interested in playing football and reverts to this garbage when nobody else can see a reason to. The same garbage that has seen us go from relegation candidates to a strong, mid table, Premier League side? Yes exactly the same garbage. Tell you how I see it the last few seasons. We're in the Championship playing OK at best, promotion becomes a realistic prospect. We play garbage, negative football and somehow manage to get promoted inspite of some pretty dire performances and results. We're in the Premier League with a pretty weak squad, the footballs dire but nobody cares. We steadily pick up points till we look safe then we play some great football and get some really good results. Second season in Prem, We've strengthened our squad but the football is mainly dire, we spend all season with no balance in the midfield. a couple of cup performances and Fulham at home apart a pretty awful season football wise. Third season in the Premier League, we've strengthened our squad again, we play some good football the midfield is balanced despite being dead as a doornail in the centre. Results are pretty pleasing overall, we beat some of the bigger teams but fustratingly drop points against lower teams. TP has some sort of brain fart and reverts to playing the sort of shite football, he feels comfortable with league one crap. People start to mind, we've spent £80 million and this is what you produce, fookin rubish.
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Post by starkiller on Jan 31, 2011 15:19:36 GMT
Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets and also maintains the proud record of never being relegated as a manager.[2] He is sometimes criticised for using an overly negative and direct style of play; however, Pulis has defended his approach you can have a negative approach but still have a team that can pass the ball. What is the excuse for not being able to?
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Post by maximusdickie on Jan 31, 2011 15:25:41 GMT
Even though i like Tunny, you cant really have a go at pulis, unless we get pulled into a relegation scrap due to lack of ideas in the final 3rd, therefore less ogals, until that happens il hold the belief he knows what he is doing.
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Post by heworksardtho on Jan 31, 2011 15:31:56 GMT
HOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOF
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 31, 2011 15:33:12 GMT
I wasnt having ago at Pulis by the way or want him out, he is doing a great job.
But even the Pulis lovers must admit it is to how boring it is watching us, yesterday was a example of how boring we are, long ball after long ball.
Jones & Carew up front = 1 tactic to be deployed
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jan 31, 2011 16:24:23 GMT
The same garbage that has seen us go from relegation candidates to a strong, mid table, Premier League side? Yes exactly the same garbage. Tell you how I see it the last few seasons. We're in the Championship playing OK at best, promotion becomes a realistic prospect. We play garbage, negative football and somehow manage to get promoted inspite of some pretty dire performances and results. We're in the Premier League with a pretty weak squad, the footballs dire but nobody cares. We steadily pick up points till we look safe then we play some great football and get some really good results. Second season in Prem, We've strengthened our squad but the football is mainly dire, we spend all season with no balance in the midfield. a couple of cup performances and Fulham at home apart a pretty awful season football wise. Third season in the Premier League, we've strengthened our squad again, we play some good football the midfield is balanced despite being dead as a doornail in the centre. Results are pretty pleasing overall, we beat some of the bigger teams but fustratingly drop points against lower teams. TP has some sort of brain fart and reverts to playing the sort of shite football, he feels comfortable with league one crap. People start to mind, we've spent £80 million and this is what you produce, fookin rubish. 3-2 against Southampton 3-2 x 2 against Scunthorpe 3-1 against West Brom 4-2 against Wolves 3-0 against Sheffield United 3-3 against Barnsley to name but just a few of our crap, dire, dull games in our promotion season
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Post by offthewall on Jan 31, 2011 16:27:04 GMT
Yes exactly the same garbage. Tell you how I see it the last few seasons. We're in the Championship playing OK at best, promotion becomes a realistic prospect. We play garbage, negative football and somehow manage to get promoted inspite of some pretty dire performances and results. We're in the Premier League with a pretty weak squad, the footballs dire but nobody cares. We steadily pick up points till we look safe then we play some great football and get some really good results. Second season in Prem, We've strengthened our squad but the football is mainly dire, we spend all season with no balance in the midfield. a couple of cup performances and Fulham at home apart a pretty awful season football wise. Third season in the Premier League, we've strengthened our squad again, we play some good football the midfield is balanced despite being dead as a doornail in the centre. Results are pretty pleasing overall, we beat some of the bigger teams but fustratingly drop points against lower teams. TP has some sort of brain fart and reverts to playing the sort of shite football, he feels comfortable with league one crap. People start to mind, we've spent £80 million and this is what you produce, fookin rubish. 3-2 against Southampton 3-2 x 2 against Scunthorpe 3-1 against West Brom 4-2 against Wolves 3-0 against Sheffield United 3-3 against Barnsley to name but just a few of our crap, dire, dull games in our promotion season Why aren't we beating Cheski 4-0, it just won't do
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 16:32:56 GMT
3-2 against Southampton 3-2 x 2 against Scunthorpe 3-1 against West Brom 4-2 against Wolves 3-0 against Sheffield United 3-3 against Barnsley to name but just a few of our crap, dire, dull games in our promotion season Why aren't we beating Cheski 4-0, it just won't do If you actually read the post, I'm assuming you are able? Results are not what is being complained about its how we get them and the fact that TP resorts to this neanderthal, knuckle-dragging shite every time he gets scared. Even when nobody else can see the monsters he's so scared of.
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 31, 2011 16:48:10 GMT
Well Tuncay as gone.
Cheers Pulis.
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jan 31, 2011 17:40:40 GMT
Is this a revamped question? I have been bored to death with Pulis's tactics for years. Its absolute dross and will remain that way until it stops getting us points. Until then there wont be any change so get used to it or don't go. I now do mostly the latter.
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Post by Tubes on Jan 31, 2011 17:46:37 GMT
If you want entertainment, go to the circus and see the clowns.
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Post by bettsy on Jan 31, 2011 17:49:36 GMT
I don't want entertainment but i want to see 3 passes strung together now and again at least
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 31, 2011 17:51:30 GMT
If you want entertainment, go to the circus and see the clowns. Rubbish - football is an entertainment sport That is a crap arguement
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jan 31, 2011 17:51:05 GMT
If you want entertainment, go to the circus and see the clowns. Or the Three ringed version called the Brittannia?
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Post by Tubes on Jan 31, 2011 17:53:28 GMT
were you not entertained when we beat Liverpool at home? WERE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED?
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Post by bettsy on Jan 31, 2011 17:55:00 GMT
were you not entertained when we beat Liverpool at home? WERE YOU NOT ENTERTAINED? we only get entertained 4 or 5 games a season, surely any fan would clearly see this
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Post by miltonpotterfan on Jan 31, 2011 17:55:34 GMT
If you want entertainment, go to the circus and see the clowns. ;D Football is a entertainment sport, you dont go watch the shit served up we offer. Look at Blackpool, they outpass most sides in this league, and play very nice attacking football, with players that are nowhere near as good as ours.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 31, 2011 18:01:53 GMT
Pulis has a reputation within the game for achieving solid results on small budgets and also maintains the proud record of never being relegated as a manager.[2] He is sometimes criticised for using an overly negative and direct style of play; however, Pulis has defended his approach Don't quite get the post is it an out take from a larger article. Why not include some of how he defended it. I'm sure there are plenty of managers who could say they've never been relegated but they'd mainly be ones with more positives to crow about. It actually says a lot about the blokes mindset that his proudest achievement is a double negative. NEVER RELEGATED. A good example of someone seeing things just how they want for the purpose of an argument. You could equally say TWICE PROMOTED, ALWAYS STAYS UP. Hardly negative is it! Why not have a little patience and see how things unfold? So, quick to see the downside some folk! Is it a Stoke trait?
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Post by Tubes on Jan 31, 2011 18:07:20 GMT
Football is a entertainment sport, you dont go watch the shit served up we offer. no it's not. It's results based sport. Tony Mowbray played entertaining football and got sacked. The managers first concern is results above all else. We're 10th in the premier league. That is the end product. The fans might like to see different football, but that isn't really the primary concern of the manager. And the majority of us will still go whether we play like Arsenal or not. Personally, I'd prefer to see us win games than look good and lose.
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Post by alster on Jan 31, 2011 18:29:54 GMT
Don't quite get the post is it an out take from a larger article. Why not include some of how he defended it. I'm sure there are plenty of managers who could say they've never been relegated but they'd mainly be ones with more positives to crow about. It actually says a lot about the blokes mindset that his proudest achievement is a double negative. NEVER RELEGATED. A good example of someone seeing things just how they want for the purpose of an argument. You could equally say TWICE PROMOTED, ALWAYS STAYS UP. Hardly negative is it! Why not have a little patience and see how things unfold? So, quick to see the downside some folk! Is it a Stoke trait? "Never been relegated", its a direct quote you can't just change the words to suit yourself.
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Post by harry on Jan 31, 2011 18:30:22 GMT
im with forster, im sick of the bloody moaners on here,tunny just wanted whats best for him,as for style of play,as an old stoke manager once said,if you want entertaining go and see a circus,its taken 30 yrs to get this far,and you lot would would have us ending up like leeds,derby and all those clubs in the championship,just because you arnt being entertained,well i trust tp to bring in the right players at the right time,
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Post by cousindupree on Jan 31, 2011 19:51:03 GMT
I still find the argument that says if we play more entertaining football we will get relegated...can someone explain this to me?
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Post by harry on Jan 31, 2011 20:17:06 GMT
well lests look at the evidence,if you look at,derby,leeds,charlton,ipswich,both sheff clubs,and and all those that have gone down and there so called star singnings who were entertainers it got them knowhere,yet bolton blackburn stoke sunderland ect have all been said to be negative are in the prem.
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Post by sufolkstokie on Jan 31, 2011 20:22:16 GMT
Some on here seem to argue the means justify the ends and give examples of some beter nogga sides than us who have gone down - fair dues BUT equally there have been as many if not more who play better nogga than us and stay up
Will support Stoke for rest of my life, but open your eyes, our football maybe effectice but it is shit to watch
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Post by bettsy on Jan 31, 2011 20:44:28 GMT
Some on here seem to argue the means justify the ends and give examples of some beter nogga sides than us who have gone down - fair dues BUT equally there have been as many if not more who play better nogga than us and stay up Will support Stoke for rest of my life, but open your eyes, our football maybe effectice but it is shit to watch possibly the worst in the history of the premiership, especially away from home
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Post by Titan Uranus on Jan 31, 2011 21:52:02 GMT
What do you mean "going"...
he's been boring the arse off every fucker since he came here..
He had an excuse for the first couple of years.. but now?
He's sold Tuncay today bye the way... no way could we have a bit of flair in the team eh..
FFS
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