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Post by manofdunland on Jan 2, 2011 12:26:27 GMT
What is the point of this thread? Anyone who has seen the goal knows it was a clear own goal. Jones just looped his header into the box before it was smashed in style into the back of the net. Fuller never got a touch. Can someone tell me if manofdunland is really a premiership referee judging by his poor vision and views of the rules. That is my point, Jones hit it, realistically it wouldnt have gone it, but what im talking about is that "technically" does it not count as a deflection of Jagielka's shoulder? Does anyone know what the actual rule book says? The fact that the defending player touches the ball last does not automatically mean that the goal is recorded as an own goal. Only if the ball would not have gone in the net but for the defending player would an own goal be credited. Thus a shot which is already "on target" would not be an own goal even if deflected by the defender. Then the attacker is awarded the goal, even if the shot would have otherwise been easily saved by the goalkeeper. Some scorers will give credit to the attacker if the defender's mistake caused the own goal, similar to ice hockey.only wikipedia, but it is a source of sorts. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Own_goal#Association_football
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Post by PickSCFC on Jan 2, 2011 12:30:55 GMT
because Howard would have save it? That is irelevant tho, if it would have been saved or not, it was on target. I thought you may have been pissed when you started thid thread last night so I left it alone, the fact that you have come back on this morning to still back it it up is quite amazing, surely you aint THAT stupid? Are you? ;D
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Post by manofdunland on Jan 2, 2011 12:32:40 GMT
Read my post above mate.
Its only a trivial matter and isnt going to effect our season, but I genuinly at the moment do think it was a goal that should be credited to Jones.
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Post by PickSCFC on Jan 2, 2011 12:33:52 GMT
Read my post above mate. Its only a trivial matter and isnt going to effect our season, but I genuinly at the moment do think it was a goal that should be credited to Jones.Unbelievable Jeff!
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 12:34:18 GMT
That is irelevant tho, if it would have been saved or not, it was on target. I thought you may have been pissed when you started thid thread last night so I left it alone, the fact that you have come back on this morning to still back it it up is quite amazing, surely you aint THAT stupid? Are you? ;D Spot on Pick,it seems as though your assumptions are correct tho ;D
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Post by manofdunland on Jan 2, 2011 12:36:38 GMT
I thought you may have been pissed when you started thid thread last night so I left it alone, the fact that you have come back on this morning to still back it it up is quite amazing, surely you aint THAT stupid? Are you? ;D Spot on Pick,it seems as though your assumptions are correct tho ;D Read my "Wikipedia" post.
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Post by Anto1962 on Jan 2, 2011 12:36:41 GMT
So if Begovic kicks straight down the middle, and the centre half smacks the ball past his own goalkeeper as it bounces, then it's a goal for Bego because his kick was bouncing towards goal . This thread is priceless. I SEE DUMB PEOPLE.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 2, 2011 12:38:18 GMT
Read my post above mate. Its only a trivial matter and isnt going to effect our season, but I genuinly at the moment do think it was a goal that should be credited to Jones. It was not a shot, it was a flick on which bounced in the 6 yard box. There was nowhere near enough power to beat Howard, so it would not have been a goal until Jagielka volleyed it into the back of the net!
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Post by Anto1962 on Jan 2, 2011 12:40:29 GMT
Read my post above mate. Its only a trivial matter and isnt going to effect our season, but I genuinly at the moment do think it was a goal that should be credited to Jones. It was not a shot, it was a flick on which bounced in the 6 yard box. There was nowhere near enough power to beat Howard, so it would not have been a goal until Jagielka volleyed it into the back of the net! Spot on he doesn't deflect it he bloody volleys it.
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Post by robwahlmann on Jan 2, 2011 12:42:24 GMT
If you had seen the replay you probably wouldn't have asked the question at all! One of the clearest own goals in a long time! ;D
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Post by manofdunland on Jan 2, 2011 12:44:19 GMT
I take it you didnt read my post then?
As it clearly says that the shot doesnt have to be realistically beating the goalkeeper
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Post by Anto1962 on Jan 2, 2011 12:51:31 GMT
I take it you didnt read my post then? As it clearly says that the shot doesnt have to be realistically beating the goalkeeper This is the daftest post I have ever read Have you watched the goal? he actually strikes the ball completely changing the flight and direction of the ball. Your credibility in keeping your argument going with no facts that are new is definately diminishing. Happy New Year.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2011 12:51:45 GMT
Spot on Pick,it seems as though your assumptions are correct tho ;D Read my "Wikipedia" post. I have. 1. Kenwynne didn't have a shot that was on target 2.The ball would not have gone from Kenwynnes flick(sorry shot) 3.Phil Jagielka didn't deflect the ball,he twatted into his own net off his knee If you think that it should be credited to Jones then fair enough but you are so wrong its untrue
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Post by youareallwrong on Jan 2, 2011 12:51:46 GMT
Excuse me, you half-witted tool, but your own post states that the ball has to be on target. Jones' header was acriss the goal and NOT ON TARGET!!. Is that clear enough for you, for fuck's sake???!!!!
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Post by Anto1962 on Jan 2, 2011 12:52:31 GMT
and you haven't answered my Begovic question.
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Post by manofdunland on Jan 2, 2011 12:56:08 GMT
Read my "Wikipedia" post. I have. 1. Kenwynne didn't have a shot that was on target 2.The ball would not have gone from Kenwynnes flick(sorry shot) 3.Phil Jagielka didn't deflect the ball,he twatted into his own net off his knee If you think that it should be credited to Jones then fair enough but you are so wrong its untrue 1. It was on target. 2. It doesnt matter if it would have been saved or not, it was on target. 3. I thought it was his shoulder, but regardless, he didnt "volley" it intentionally, the ball hit his knee.
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Post by manofdunland on Jan 2, 2011 12:57:28 GMT
Excuse me, you half-witted tool, but your own post states that the ball has to be on target. Jones' header was acriss the goal and NOT ON TARGET!!. Is that clear enough for you, for fuck's sake???!!!! Name calling, how grown up. The incident happend in the middle of the goal, how was it not on target?
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Post by Anto1962 on Jan 2, 2011 12:58:57 GMT
I have. 1. Kenwynne didn't have a shot that was on target 2.The ball would not have gone from Kenwynnes flick(sorry shot) 3.Phil Jagielka didn't deflect the ball,he twatted into his own net off his knee If you think that it should be credited to Jones then fair enough but you are so wrong its untrue 1. It was on target. 2. It doesnt matter if it would have been saved or not, it was on target. 3. I thought it was his shoulder, but regardless, he didnt "volley" it intentionally, the ball hit his knee. it didn't hit his knee or shoulder he volleyed it I've just watched it again, he fucking volleyed it.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 2, 2011 12:59:23 GMT
1. the ball bounced in the 6 yard box, so yes it did drop in the right area, but it would not have reached the goal. 2. as above, there was not enough power to go past Howard and into the goal. 3. the ball hit Jagielka on the half volley and there was plenty of force to blast it past Howard. The ball direction completely changed, which made it impossible for Howard to save. Conclusion, it was an own goal
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Post by youareallwrong on Jan 2, 2011 12:59:46 GMT
I have. 1. Kenwynne didn't have a shot that was on target 2.The ball would not have gone from Kenwynnes flick(sorry shot) 3.Phil Jagielka didn't deflect the ball,he twatted into his own net off his knee If you think that it should be credited to Jones then fair enough but you are so wrong its untrue 1. It was on target. 2. It doesnt matter if it would have been saved or not, it was on target. 3. I thought it was his shoulder, but regardless, he didnt "volley" it intentionally, the ball hit his knee. 1. No it fucking wasn't. 2. See 1. 3. Yes he fucking did./ 4. Are you blind? 5. Give it up, you're just so completely wrong, you're an embarrassment to yourself, this board and all Stoke fans. 6. That is all.
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Post by LH_SCFC on Jan 2, 2011 13:00:45 GMT
Has anyone got a link to the goal in question to put on this thread? I've just seen it again on SSN. I think sight of the goal along with the "argument" should settle the debate.
Either that, or we have a new wezo on our hands. Just much, much, dryer.
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Post by PickSCFC on Jan 2, 2011 13:02:26 GMT
Jones is going to be fucking gutted when he realises he hasnt been given the goal.....
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Post by Anto1962 on Jan 2, 2011 13:06:47 GMT
Jones is going to be fucking gutted when he realises he hasnt been given the goal.....[/quote ;D ;D ;D just about sums it up]
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Post by bettsy on Jan 2, 2011 13:07:36 GMT
no need for name calling to whoever started this thread but he's very wrong, jones headed it up in the air and everybody could clearly see jagielka scored a cracking own goal sign him up tone!!
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Post by youareallwrong on Jan 2, 2011 13:13:12 GMT
no need for name calling to whoever started this thread but he's very wrong, jones headed it up in the air and everybody could clearly see jagielka scored a cracking own goal sign him up tone!! Why not? See a halfwit, shout, 'There's a halfwit!' I ain't lying just to spare a halfwit's feelings. ;D ;D
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Post by PickSCFC on Jan 2, 2011 13:15:14 GMT
no need for name calling to whoever started this thread but he's very wrong, jones headed it up in the air and everybody could clearly see jagielka scored a cracking own goal sign him up tone!! Dont be daft you silly cunt name calling is good
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Post by LH_SCFC on Jan 2, 2011 13:17:07 GMT
no need for name calling to whoever started this thread but he's very wrong, jones headed it up in the air and everybody could clearly see jagielka scored a cracking own goal sign him up tone!! I'm all for people having their opinion and that. But this guy's a fucking loon.
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Post by Anto1962 on Jan 2, 2011 13:17:49 GMT
no need for name calling to whoever started this thread but he's very wrong, jones headed it up in the air and everybody could clearly see jagielka scored a cracking own goal sign him up tone!! Dont be daft you silly cunt name calling is good No it isn't you dickheaded motherfucking piece of dogshite. Happy New Year. ;D
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Post by trebor63 on Jan 2, 2011 13:18:32 GMT
That first goal from Etherington was a beauty though ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by euan ouzami on Jan 2, 2011 13:19:49 GMT
I don't think it's fair to take the goal off Jagielka. It was a lovely finish and took Howard completely by surprise He's slowly working his way up the list of all time Stoke City goalscorers!
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