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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 22:53:13 GMT
The Pederson incident? He barely touched him, it was stupid but it wasn't particularly violent. I wouldn't want him to sign but that "incident" was fook all. He hit him hard. I know you love your hardman defender act but come on. It wouldn't be much on its own I agree, but with you can't divorce it from Barton's violent past. It's not like a mistimed tackle, it's an off the ball assault - the type of stuff he's got previous for. Which is why the whole "he's a changed man" act doesn't wash.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 22:53:26 GMT
The Pederson incident? He barely touched him, it was stupid but it wasn't particularly violent. I wouldn't want him to sign but that "incident" was fook all. Huth's imo was worse, it was more forceful and in a more sensitive/dangerous area of the body. Both got the retrospective bans they deserved. Both were stupid. Thank you. So by your logic then RVD, huth is a thug, he must be he belted someone on the pitch, he wouldn't do that if he wasn't a thug.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2010 22:57:00 GMT
The Pederson incident? He barely touched him, it was stupid but it wasn't particularly violent. I wouldn't want him to sign but that "incident" was fook all. He hit him hard. I know you love your hardman defender act but come on. It wouldn't be much on its own I agree, but with you can't divorce it from Barton's violent past. It's not like a mistimed tackle, it's an off the ball assault - the type of stuff he's got previous for. Which is why the whole "he's a changed man" act doesn't wash. I honestly don't think he did. It was a sending off but it was soft as shite and Pedersen gets 10 out 10 too. And his previous should never come into it, he should get sent off on the merits of what happened and he was. He did punch him, so it was a sending off. But it was soft. Huth's was far more vicious and cynical and I love him for it. ;D It really is fuck all but it is a sending off.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 22:59:57 GMT
I really couldn't care less if he is the best player in the world and would play for £2.50 a week and come on a free transfer I never ever want Joey Barton to play for Stoke City, he is a thug and general nasty piece of work.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 23:03:42 GMT
The Pederson incident? He barely touched him, it was stupid but it wasn't particularly violent. I wouldn't want him to sign but that "incident" was fook all. Huth's imo was worse, it was more forceful and in a more sensitive/dangerous area of the body. Both got the retrospective bans they deserved. Both were stupid. Thank you. So by your logic then RVD, huth is a thug, he must be he belted someone on the pitch, he wouldn't do that if he wasn't a thug. Huth's act was thuggish, but he hasn't repeatedly shown himself to be a thug. Barton has. If you can't join the dots on this one I can't help you. Bayern - I'm not saying the ref should have taken Barton's past into account for that one incident, I'm saying that the incident can't be dismissed as "nothing" after the fact or explained away because it's the kind of thing that Barton keeps doing.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2010 23:04:49 GMT
Yeah and Huth with his pussy cat slap. ;D More damage than Audrey Harrison could ever dream of making in his entire career! Rob-both were stupid, both were red, I think Huth's was way worse.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 23:12:51 GMT
Yeah and Huth with his pussy cat slap. ;D More damage than Audrey Harrison could ever dream of making in his entire career! Rob-both were stupid, both were red, I think Huth's was way worse. exactly, could of blinded him, the thug, sell him pulis, rvd only wants nice boys at scfc. ;D
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 23:13:46 GMT
if upson turned up at a police station with that then huth would be in the cells and also have a record RVD.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 23:14:01 GMT
Yeah and Huth with his pussy cat slap. ;D More damage than Audrey Harrison could ever dream of making in his entire career! Rob-both were stupid, both were red, I think Huth's was way worse. exactly, could of blinded him, the thug, sell him pulis, rvd only wants nice boys at scfc. ;D You really have missed my point altogether haven't you?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2010 23:16:49 GMT
"Erm, I'd say a hard punch in the chest was worse than a girly slap round the face, yes."
"It's stretching it so call either of those incidents a "blow" to the head. Barton hit Pedersen much harder than either of the other two."
I don't give a toss about Barton but I don't want to meet the girls You do Rob! ;D
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Post by madnellie on Dec 21, 2010 23:24:24 GMT
I might be wrong but wasn't Upson's eye already cut open from an accidental injury earlier in the match and Huth's slap caused that injury to bleed again rather than inflicting any more damage?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 23:26:24 GMT
if upson turned up at a police station with that then huth would be in the cells and also have a record RVD. Even given that, he's hardly the multi-time fuck up that Barton is, is he? That's the context I brought the Pedersen incident up in. But I think you know that. ;D
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 23:27:37 GMT
exactly, could of blinded him, the thug, sell him pulis, rvd only wants nice boys at scfc. ;D You really have missed my point altogether haven't you? no not at all, i'm trying to stress barton has not been in trouble for 2+ years, you bought up the "pederson incident" to use it as ammunition to say he is "still" a thug. My point is that this"pederson incident" can not be used as evidence that barton is still on form as a thug, this incident can not be used as things like this and worse happen in the game each week with a number of different players and like it or not, it's part of an intense game where lots depends on the result, players are under pressure and they do daft things, it's a result of being highly motivated. Barton has been trouble free for over 2 years and to suggest he is unreformed because of this 'pederson incident' is ludicrous.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2010 23:28:17 GMT
I might be wrong but wasn't Upson's eye already cut open from an accidental injury earlier in the match and Huth's slap caused that injury to bleed again rather than inflicting any more damage? I think You may be right actually! I still want to meet Rob's women mind. ;D
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 23:29:38 GMT
You really have missed my point altogether haven't you? no not at all, i'm trying to stress barton has not been in trouble for 2+ years, you bought up the "pederson incident" to use it as ammunition to say he is "still" a thug. My point is that this"pederson incident" can not be used as evidence that barton is still on form as a thug, this incident can not be used as things like this and worse happen in the game each week with a number of different players and like it or not, it's part of an intense game where lots depends on the result, players are under pressure and they do daft things, it's a result of being highly motivated. Barton has been trouble free for over 2 years and to suggest he is unreformed because of this 'pederson incident' is ludicrous. Violent character once again acts violently. I don't think it is chief.
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Post by madnellie on Dec 21, 2010 23:31:50 GMT
You and me both Bayern!
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Post by Olgrligm on Dec 21, 2010 23:32:14 GMT
Can't see TP going for a player who he spent a post-match press conference criticising for cheating.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 23:39:13 GMT
no not at all, i'm trying to stress barton has not been in trouble for 2+ years, you bought up the "pederson incident" to use it as ammunition to say he is "still" a thug. My point is that this"pederson incident" can not be used as evidence that barton is still on form as a thug, this incident can not be used as things like this and worse happen in the game each week with a number of different players and like it or not, it's part of an intense game where lots depends on the result, players are under pressure and they do daft things, it's a result of being highly motivated. Barton has been trouble free for over 2 years and to suggest he is unreformed because of this 'pederson incident' is ludicrous. Violent character once again acts violently. I don't think it is chief. yes but its on the pitch, the same as zidanes headbutt was on the pitch, doesnt mean zidane is a thug.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 23:41:28 GMT
Violent character once again acts violently. I don't think it is chief. yes but its on the pitch, the same as zidanes headbutt was on the pitch, doesnt mean zidane is a thug. It would if Zidane kept doing it on and off the pitch. Repeatedly.
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Post by Middle White Stripe on Dec 21, 2010 23:49:00 GMT
Some of you fuckers would have the Yorkshire Ripper playing for us if he could play football. Have you got no pride in your football club? The man is an überthug, and should be nowhere near our great club, no matter how good a player he is. OS. Well said. If we had him in our team, I can see the newspaper headlines already. No thanks. Go back to the hole you crawled out of.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 23:50:45 GMT
yes but its on the pitch, the same as zidanes headbutt was on the pitch, doesnt mean zidane is a thug. It would if Zidane kept doing it on and off the pitch. Repeatedly. but he hasnt been in trouble for 2 years, this was a match incident in a match enviroment that happens weekly, but because it's bartons turn...... he's a thug.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 22, 2010 0:28:05 GMT
It would if Zidane kept doing it on and off the pitch. Repeatedly. but he hasnt been in trouble for 2 years, this was a match incident in a match enviroment that happens weekly, but because it's bartons turn...... he's a thug. Ok then let's forget about the Pedersen incident and talk about Barton putting out a cigar in the eye of a youth team player or putting Dabo in hospital after his horrific training ground assault. To compare a serial offender in Barton to Huth who has had one act of thuggery and is always a credit off the pitch is complete nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2010 8:32:28 GMT
It would if Zidane kept doing it on and off the pitch. Repeatedly. but he hasnt been in trouble for 2 years, this was a match incident in a match enviroment that happens weekly, but because it's bartons turn...... he's a thug. Explaining away violent conduct as something that "happens every week", as if it were just like being caught offside, is a bit worrying. And yes, a known thug once again acting thuggishly does indeed mean people refer to him as "a thug". Cruel world, isn' t it?
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Post by basingstokie on Dec 22, 2010 8:39:01 GMT
I really couldn't care less if he is the best player in the world and would play for £2.50 a week and come on a free transfer I never ever want Joey Barton to play for Stoke City, he is a thug and general nasty piece of work. Agree Right up until he is pictured holding up a shirt saying Stoke was his boyhood club etc etc He's still a little sh1t though
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