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Post by feynmann2 on Dec 21, 2010 19:46:47 GMT
If they are willing to sell him for £1.5M rather than offer him a new deal then they are hardly desperate for his services are they?? Does it coincide with the arrival of alan "i'm morally as right as oatcke posters" arrival, hughton had no problem with him or he would not of played, to play as well as he has this season you have to knuckle down. Dunno, but whatever the reason they clearly don't want him if the story is true. As for knuckling down maybe but I'm afraid I don't want him anywhere near our club in same way I wouldn't want John Terry..... Some things are more important than how good you are on the pitch
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 20:07:36 GMT
belted him? he barley touched him! o.k then what about huth "belting" that player in the face ? What about gerry taggart grabbing dennis wise by the throat? what about eric cantona drop kicking a supporter, the pederson incident was handbags. What about Ric "belting" griffin in the face robvandeurzan? ??? Are you seriously comparing the two? One was a slap, the other was a punch from a bloke who has a litany of thuggery behind him.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Dec 21, 2010 20:08:35 GMT
He punched him full force in the chest, of that there is no doubt and just because Huth was a gobshite and hit Upson doesn't mean we should sign every player that hits someone. Huth's incident was a one off in his time here while Bartons is one of a long list both on and off the field. He is scum and it'll be a sad day for any club to see him wearing there shirt. i know newcastle must be gutted to have barton playing there. As long as he conducts himself in the dressing room and on the field winning us points in a reasonable fashion, i for one, couldn't give a flying fuck what he does away from the pitch. Players that play for Stoke are ambassadors for the club and as such any acts on or off the field will reflect in the club. We have got players like Ethers, gambling problems, and Pennant who have had off field trouble but nothing like the long list of offences that Barton brings, one of his charming party pieces involved him stubbing out a cigar in a youth players eye. Some players bring baggage, such as Ireland being a cunt, and are worth the risk but Barton IMO most certainly is not and I would be horrified to see him wearng the famous red stripes of Stoke City Football Club.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 20:10:12 GMT
what about roy keane snapping david boosts leg on purpose rvd? what about lee bowyer fighting with keiron dyer on the field rvd? What about them? You claimed Barton's record had been exemplary this season. The Pedersen thing shows it hasn't. Barton has masses of history with this kind of thing. To just list random acts of violence (and was Keane even involved in the Buust incident? Wasn't that just an accident?) from various footballers over the years doesn't so much miss the point as willfully pole vault over it.
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Post by Stoke-on-Toronto on Dec 21, 2010 20:10:28 GMT
1.5 million? I don't believe that for a second.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 20:29:42 GMT
what about roy keane snapping david boosts leg on purpose rvd? what about lee bowyer fighting with keiron dyer on the field rvd? What about them? To just list random acts of violence (and was Keane even involved in the Buust incident? Wasn't that just an accident?) from various footballers over the years doesn't so much miss the point as willfully pole vault over it. so you mention the pederson incident then dis credit the random acts of stupidity from others because they conviniently don't count? oh right, i'm with it now, even if huths and fullers incident would get you arrested in the street for assault, but they don't count because they are not Joey Barton "belting ;D " pederson. Do you seriously believe thet roy keane didnt snap boosts leg on purpose? that is worse than anything barton has done. Dennis wise's party trick is breaking his team mates jaw but gets to sit on pundits couches on t.v disscussing games. hmmmm double standards. Barton family might have done worse but that when all is said and done,is not joey barton.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 20:36:33 GMT
What about them? To just list random acts of violence (and was Keane even involved in the Buust incident? Wasn't that just an accident?) from various footballers over the years doesn't so much miss the point as willfully pole vault over it. so you mention the pederson incident then dis credit the random acts of stupidity from others because they conviniently don't count? oh right, i'm with it now, even if huths and fullers incident would get you arrested in the street for assault, but they don't count because they are not Joey Barton "belting ;D " pederson. Do you seriously believe thet roy keane didnt snap boosts leg on purpose? that is worse than anything barton has done. Dennis wise's party trick is breaking his team mates jaw but gets to sit on pundits couches on t.v disscussing games. hmmmm double standards. Barton family might have done worse but that when all is said and done,is not joey barton. Given that Keane was nowhere near Buust when it happened, yeah, I do believe that. I mentioned the Pedersen incident as a response to you saying Barton had behaved himself on the pitch this season. The Pedersen incident shows he hasn't. Not once did I suggest that that incident, and that one alone, was the reason I don't want us to sign him. It's simply more evidence that he hasn't changed.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 20:38:53 GMT
so you mention the pederson incident then dis credit the random acts of stupidity from others because they conviniently don't count? oh right, i'm with it now, even if huths and fullers incident would get you arrested in the street for assault, but they don't count because they are not Joey Barton "belting ;D " pederson. Do you seriously believe thet roy keane didnt snap boosts leg on purpose? that is worse than anything barton has done. Dennis wise's party trick is breaking his team mates jaw but gets to sit on pundits couches on t.v disscussing games. hmmmm double standards. Barton family might have done worse but that when all is said and done,is not joey barton. Given that Keane was nowhere near Buust when it happened, yeah, I do believe that. I mentioned the Pedersen incident as a response to you saying Barton had behaved himself on the pitch this season. The Pedersen incident shows he hasn't. Not once did I suggest that that incident, and that one alone, was the reason I don't want us to sign him. It's simply more evidence that he hasn't changed. Why, because he lost his cool for a second on the field like many other do every single week, it's a competitive sport.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 20:41:28 GMT
If shearer or john terry did that on pederson it would be forgotten about 2 weeks later, but because it's barton " he hasn't changed", again, that sort of stuff and worse happens every week on the football field in a competitive match. oy keane had the biggest temper going, take it asway from him he would be nicky butt.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 20:42:23 GMT
Given that Keane was nowhere near Buust when it happened, yeah, I do believe that. I mentioned the Pedersen incident as a response to you saying Barton had behaved himself on the pitch this season. The Pedersen incident shows he hasn't. Not once did I suggest that that incident, and that one alone, was the reason I don't want us to sign him. It's simply more evidence that he hasn't changed. Why, because he lost his cool for a second on the field like many other do every single week, it's a competitive sport. Fair enough, let's do away with red cards altogether then shall we, if every act of thuggery can be explained away as boys will be boys-style "loss of cool"? Do me a favour. Belting somebody for knocking into you isn't so much losing your cool as requiring a straitjacket. Again, you said he'd behaved well this season - the Pedersen thing shows that he's hardly a reformed character. I don't think there has been enough evidence to suggest he won't fall off the rails again.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 20:50:28 GMT
Why, because he lost his cool for a second on the field like many other do every single week, it's a competitive sport. Fair enough, let's do away with red cards altogether then shall we, if every act of thuggery can be explained away as boys will be boys-style "loss of cool"? Do me a favour. Belting somebody for knocking into you isn't so much losing your cool as requiring a straitjacket. Again, you said he'd behaved well this season - the Pedersen thing shows that he's hardly a reformed character. I don't think there has been enough evidence to suggest he won't fall off the rails again. going from what you have said then bartons act on pederson on the field has showed that he hasn't changed, yet when all the other have red mist on the field it doesn't count. So what you are basically saying is that barton hasnt changed because he lost his head for 5 seconds on a field, just like law abiding citezens do every week on the field. But because Barton has done what these have done, he hasn't changed. Your contradicting yourself, therefore your evidence is void.
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Post by numpty40 on Dec 21, 2010 20:54:34 GMT
If Newcastle are willing to offload the obnoxious twat for £1.5m it suggests to me that maybe he's not as accepted in their dressing room as some on here believe.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 20:55:43 GMT
Why, because he lost his cool for a second on the field like many other do every single week, it's a competitive sport. Fair enough, let's do away with red cards altogether then shall we, if every act of thuggery can be explained away as boys will be boys-style "loss of cool"? Do me a favour. Belting somebody for knocking into you isn't so much losing your cool as requiring a straitjacket. Again, you said he'd behaved well this season - the Pedersen thing shows that he's hardly a reformed character. I don't think there has been enough evidence to suggest he won't fall off the rails again. I disagree, I would say there is no evidence to suggest he will fall off the rails again, he has been trouble free for 2+ years, playing good football and making headlines for right reasons, the "pederson incident" you claim to confirm that he is still off the rails is just no reasoned argument because good law abiding citizens are doing just that and worse each week on the football field.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 20:59:42 GMT
Fair enough, let's do away with red cards altogether then shall we, if every act of thuggery can be explained away as boys will be boys-style "loss of cool"? Do me a favour. Belting somebody for knocking into you isn't so much losing your cool as requiring a straitjacket. Again, you said he'd behaved well this season - the Pedersen thing shows that he's hardly a reformed character. I don't think there has been enough evidence to suggest he won't fall off the rails again. going from what you have said then bartons act on pederson on the field has showed that he hasn't changed, yet when all the other have red mist on the field it doesn't count. So what you are basically saying is that barton hasnt changed because he lost his head for 5 seconds on a field, just like law abiding citezens do every week on the field. But because Barton has done what these have done, he hasn't changed. Your contradicting yourself, therefore your evidence is void. I'm not mate. What's actually happening is that you're moving the goalposts and confusing yourself in the process. Your argument was that Joey Barton, a player with a violent past, was a reformed character on and off the pitch this season. I'm suggesting that what he did to Pedersen refutes that argument a bit. Now I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but does a bloke with a reputation for violence resorting to twatting someone just for brushing past him suggest: a) a changed man whose behaviour on and off the pitch is now exemplary b) not really Yes, other players do it, but Barton has previous that can't be ignored.
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Dec 21, 2010 21:12:07 GMT
Some of you fuckers would have the Yorkshire Ripper playing for us if he could play football. Have you got no pride in your football club? The man is an überthug, and should be nowhere near our great club, no matter how good a player he is. OS. Has Peter Sutcliffe got a good throw?
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 21:20:10 GMT
RVD, see my post above, you cannot imo use that "incident" as any type of evidence/reference because it is part of the sport, wether we like it or not.
Pederson may of just been brushing past him from our view, but players do what they do on the field because they are wound up by the other, it's part of the game. again if you insist on using the Pederson incident i'll say take a look at this. Note where Hughton says about Barton getting kicked from pillar to post a couple of weeks earlier with no reaction.
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 21:25:19 GMT
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 21, 2010 21:27:07 GMT
Some of you fuckers would have the Yorkshire Ripper playing for us if he could play football. Have you got no pride in your football club? The man is an überthug, and should be nowhere near our great club, no matter how good a player he is. OS. Has Peter Sutcliffe got a good throw? I dunno, BSR, but he likes the area. Then again, so did Mick Kennedy, the last insane bastard I saw playing for us. I think this premiershit experience has lowered morality somewhat. I can just imagine taking the grandkids and having to explain to them why they shouldn't join the block 19'ers in singing; There's only one Joey Barton. And they would, especially when he lost it again. And he will, because he should be in a mental institution. OS.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 21:27:34 GMT
RVD, see my post above, you cannot imo use that "incident" as any type of evidence/reference because it is part of the sport, wether we like it or not. Pederson may of just been brushing past him from our view, but players do what they do on the field because they are wound up by the other, it's part of the game. again if you insist on using the Pederson incident i'll say take a look at this. Note where Hughton says about Barton getting kicked from pillar to post a couple of weeks earlier with no reaction. Punching people off the ball is "part of the game"?
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Post by madnellie on Dec 21, 2010 21:31:42 GMT
There's also those lovely gestures he made to Torres last week live on TV which suggests he still has some growing up to do!
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Post by OldStokie on Dec 21, 2010 21:35:10 GMT
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Post by scfc2010 on Dec 21, 2010 21:37:55 GMT
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Post by feynmann2 on Dec 21, 2010 21:40:55 GMT
People are advocating that our club pay this man £000's a week because he's better than we currently have - really?
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 21:41:12 GMT
RVD, see my post above, you cannot imo use that "incident" as any type of evidence/reference because it is part of the sport, wether we like it or not. Pederson may of just been brushing past him from our view, but players do what they do on the field because they are wound up by the other, it's part of the game. again if you insist on using the Pederson incident i'll say take a look at this. Note where Hughton says about Barton getting kicked from pillar to post a couple of weeks earlier with no reaction. Punching people off the ball is "part of the game"? a punch in the chest, and not a hard one at that. You tell me, what is worse, a huth slap or fuller around the face ( in which case fuller walked 30+ yards) or a punch in the chest. same difference.
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 21, 2010 21:41:43 GMT
Horrible bastard
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 22:26:56 GMT
Punching people off the ball is "part of the game"? a punch in the chest, and not a hard one at that. You tell me, what is worse, a huth slap or fuller around the face ( in which case fuller walked 30+ yards) or a punch in the chest. same difference. Erm, I'd say a hard punch in the chest was worse than a girly slap round the face, yes.
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Post by stokiecat on Dec 21, 2010 22:45:07 GMT
I'm not a Barton apologist but he did seem somewhat reformed after the Wolves game where Karl Henry behaved pretty disgracefully. I also think that had the Pederson incident involved a different player without a rep then we wouldn't be making such a fuss. Pulis manages to cope with the various waifs and strays and any that don't toe the line seem to depart fairly sharpish. Then again I personally feel uncomfortable with his past no matter how good a player he is...
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Post by roostersgonnagetya on Dec 21, 2010 22:45:11 GMT
a punch in the chest, and not a hard one at that. You tell me, what is worse, a huth slap or fuller around the face ( in which case fuller walked 30+ yards) or a punch in the chest. same difference. i disagree a blow to the head is a lot worse imo and huths was more than a girly slap, fullers was a 30 yard pre meditated 'slap' to the face. Erm, I'd say a hard punch in the chest was worse than a girly slap round the face, yes.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 22:46:58 GMT
i disagree a blow to the head is a lot worse imo and huths was more than a girly slap, fullers was a 30 yard pre meditated 'slap' to the face. Erm, I'd say a hard punch in the chest was worse than a girly slap round the face, yes. It's stretching it so call either of those incidents a "blow" to the head. Barton hit Pedersen much harder than either of the other two.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 21, 2010 22:49:20 GMT
The Pederson incident? He barely touched him, it was stupid but it wasn't particularly violent.
I wouldn't want him to sign but that "incident" was fook all.
Huth's imo was worse, it was more forceful and in a more sensitive/dangerous area of the body. Both got the retrospective bans they deserved. Both were stupid.
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