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Post by prettyricky on Dec 21, 2010 1:50:31 GMT
Sorry if already posted I aint bin on here in donkeys but I heard an interesting rumour earlier that I couldn't help but share
Word on the street is 'arry is considering offering Matt Le Tis the Matt Le Tis a contract in january on a specialist player/coach role to improve the teams penalty taking as they've missed all but one this season and it could become crucial in the latter stages of the season not to mention the champions league.
Sounds like pish and surely Graham Alexander would be a better option but judge for yourselves.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 21, 2010 1:56:14 GMT
Good idea.
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Post by edwardinho on Dec 21, 2010 1:58:26 GMT
You can't teach someone to take a penalty, you can teach someone to score from 12 yards. But there is no way you can re-create the pressure that you get in a game during training.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 21, 2010 2:05:37 GMT
True Edwardinho, but practice is so crucial. I remember Alan Shearer saying that practice didn't help. That was unbelievably stupid.
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Post by edwardinho on Dec 21, 2010 2:11:14 GMT
I remember Alan Shearer saying that practice didn't help. What a tit. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 21, 2010 2:15:40 GMT
You can't re-create the pressure but it was a thick lazy backward thing to say. Especially hwne he had a good record himself because he used to practice regularly.
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Post by edwardinho on Dec 21, 2010 2:19:03 GMT
I say again. What a tit. I think you do need to practice, but it's more about your composure, picking a side and then not changing your mind.
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Post by Inverness Stokie on Dec 21, 2010 2:39:51 GMT
Good idea, I am and always have been shite at taking penalties, you practice for a reason though and if you can handle the pressure and know where to find the goal from 12 yards out then you're on to a winner.
Le Tissier would be an excellent choice, I would have thought a majority if not all of the players would respect him given his quality in front of goal.
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Post by scfcloyalist on Dec 21, 2010 9:59:43 GMT
You cant practise for penaltys, you cant recreate the atmosphere and the pressure, youve either got it or you havent, simples.
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Post by rawli on Dec 21, 2010 10:05:44 GMT
You can't recreate the atmosphere and pressure for any skill then. Does that mean they should only do fitness and tactics in training and not work on anything else?
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Post by rockhead163 on Dec 21, 2010 10:13:44 GMT
If a player on £xxx,xxx a week cant hit an 2 foot square in the top corner, an area no goalkeeper in the world can reach then they should not be on that money in the first place. A simple lofted pass into that area should be done by most top professionals.
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Post by scfcloyalist on Dec 21, 2010 10:17:14 GMT
Not saying that, but until youve actually taken a penalty infront of fans or on the training ground youll realise, im not sticking up for the pros, but you can either handle the pressure or you cant.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Dec 21, 2010 10:19:30 GMT
Sorry if already posted I aint bin on here in donkeys but I heard an interesting rumour earlier that I couldn't help but share Word on the street is 'arry is considering offering Matt Le Tis the Matt Le Tis a contract in january on a specialist player/coach role to improve the teams penalty taking as they've missed all but one this season and it could become crucial in the latter stages of the season not to mention the champions league. Sounds like pish and surely Graham Alexander would be a better option but judge for yourselves. How could anyone be a better penalty coach than Le Tiss? 54 penalties, 53 scored and one saved (so never hit it wide, over the bar or against the woodwork). |
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 21, 2010 10:19:36 GMT
Not saying that, but until youve actually taken a penalty infront of fans or on the training ground youll realise, im not sticking up for the pros, but you can either handle the pressure or you cant. Do you not think practicing penalties will make you better at them and hence give you more confidence to cope with the pressure? |
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Post by jen on Dec 21, 2010 10:24:17 GMT
Le Tissier coached Beattie in penalty taking, didn't he? Seemed to work with him.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 10:24:18 GMT
Not saying that, but until youve actually taken a penalty infront of fans or on the training ground youll realise, im not sticking up for the pros, but you can either handle the pressure or you cant. Do you not think practicing penalties will make you better at them and hence give you more confidence to cope with the pressure? No. 100% not. You could be the best on the training ground, score 100 out of 100, step up to take one on matchday, pressure gets to you, legs go to jelly, you miss. It's all about handling pressure. You can't teach that. |
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 21, 2010 10:27:20 GMT
Beattie had a way of blanking everything out, be it the opposition defenders on the edge of the box, the keeper waving his warms and the opposition fans jeering him.
Staring solely at the ball never looking up at anybody. Turning around, running up and concentrating on striking the ball well.
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Dec 21, 2010 10:28:46 GMT
A reminder of just how good Le Tiss was:
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Post by wandonlodge2 on Dec 21, 2010 10:30:05 GMT
Oh, and
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Dec 21, 2010 10:31:08 GMT
Do you not think practicing penalties will make you better at them and hence give you more confidence to cope with the pressure? No. 100% not. You could be the best on the training ground, score 100 out of 100, step up to take one on matchday, pressure gets to you, legs go to jelly, you miss. It's all about handling pressure. You can't teach that. But a player who scores 100/100 in training is more likely to score a penalty in a match than a player who scores 10/100 is he or is he not? Because he'll be more confident of scoring. If they practice everyday and start scoring every penalty they take, they'll have it in their heads they can't miss. Confidence is something professional footballers thrive off.  |
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Post by rawli on Dec 21, 2010 10:32:54 GMT
So all those Germans who practice penalties have got it wrong? Someone should tell them they are wasting their time.
We seem to have found the only thing on earth that you don't get better at if you practice.
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Post by scfcloyalist on Dec 21, 2010 10:33:21 GMT
Its not about confidence though mate, every footballers confident, they have to be, its the pressure, like i said until youve experienced it you wont understand
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 10:40:08 GMT
2 completely different things.
Penalty taking and handling pressure.
Practicing penalties in training will make you better at taking penalties on the training ground.
If you have no bottle or can't handle pressure then it won't make much difference when you step up on matchday with 40,000 fans making a racket.
It's all about psyche and how you are brought up to handle these situations.
In England we encourage the "it's not the winning that counts, it's the taking part" philosphy from grassroots up.
In other places, Germany for example, they encourage and push the youth to relish the big stage opportunites and to focus on what winning brings instead of preparing them for losing and that it's not the end of the world.
The reason our record is so shocking compared to the Germans when it comes to penalties has nothing to do with practice (and if it is just practice then someone somewhere on the various staffs over the years need shooting).
It's all about mentality.
And ours is all wrong.
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Post by Chunky Lover! on Dec 21, 2010 10:43:14 GMT
Le Tiss was saying in an interview a few weeks ago that it wouldn't be long before clubs were employing penalty coaches - looks like 'Arry saw the interview!!
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 21, 2010 10:48:31 GMT
No. 100% not. You could be the best on the training ground, score 100 out of 100, step up to take one on matchday, pressure gets to you, legs go to jelly, you miss. It's all about handling pressure. You can't teach that. But a player who scores 100/100 in training is more likely to score a penalty in a match than a player who scores 10/100 is he or is he not? Because he'll be more confident of scoring. If they practice everyday and start scoring every penalty they take, they'll have it in their heads they can't miss. Confidence is something professional footballers thrive off. It's obvious mate and anybody saying otherwise is a Danny Collins supporter.  Yes taking them in front of a crowd involves lots of pressure but if you have taken hundreds of penalties in practice you will be better prepared to deal with that pressure and more likely to have confience in your own ability. Nobody is saying that the situations aren't different but perhaps Tiger Woods and Phil Taylor should give up practicing altogether and just rely on their ability to deal with pressure to win them tournaments. |
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Post by rawli on Dec 21, 2010 10:52:15 GMT
I'm not saying it's just practice - obviously mentality comes into it. However, it's a skill and as such it's got to be practiced.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2010 10:56:16 GMT
But a player who scores 100/100 in training is more likely to score a penalty in a match than a player who scores 10/100 is he or is he not? Because he'll be more confident of scoring. If they practice everyday and start scoring every penalty they take, they'll have it in their heads they can't miss. Confidence is something professional footballers thrive off. It's obvious mate and anybody saying otherwise is a Danny Collins supporter. Yes taking them in front of a crowd involves lots of pressure but if you have taken hundreds of penalties in practice you will be better prepared to deal with that pressure and more likely to have confience in your own ability. Nobody is saying that the situations aren't different but perhaps Tiger Woods and Phil Taylor should give up practicing altogether and just rely on their ability to deal with pressure to win them tournaments. No one is saying practice doesn’t help you improve. Darts players practice, so do golfers, footballers train etc etc. Penalty taking is a unique situation in football though. It’s not a team moment, it’s not normal game play, it’s a dead ball situation with all eyes and pressure on the penalty taker. You can practice all day long and you will improve on the training ground. Your technique will get better and your success rate will improve. If you are not prepared or not mentally right to handle pressure though, ultimately it will make no difference. If you have scored 100 out of 100 but on the day you have a niggle in the back of your mind because of the pressure on you, there’s a better chance (compared to somebody who thrives on pressure or someone that can handle pressure) that you will miss. Do you really believe our record at penalties over the years is merely down to our players not practicing enough? The problem is much deeper than that. English players in general freeze on the big stage. Many other nations raise their players to relish the big stage and teach their youth to focus on the rewards that winning brings (i.e. “a winning mentality”). It is something we have never had as a country. You can't teach a player how to handle pressure on the training ground. WD p.s. of course, this is all bollocks, we just need to practice penalties more on the training ground. . . . |
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Post by Gods on Dec 21, 2010 11:15:56 GMT
Not "player/coach" surely, maybe specialist coach ? He's at least 42 isn't he and hasn't to my knowlege played for years and wasn't the fittest to begin with...  |
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Post by Beardy200 on Dec 21, 2010 11:51:34 GMT
It's obvious mate and anybody saying otherwise is a Danny Collins supporter. Yes taking them in front of a crowd involves lots of pressure but if you have taken hundreds of penalties in practice you will be better prepared to deal with that pressure and more likely to have confience in your own ability. Nobody is saying that the situations aren't different but perhaps Tiger Woods and Phil Taylor should give up practicing altogether and just rely on their ability to deal with pressure to win them tournaments. No one is saying practice doesn’t help you improve. Darts players practice, so do golfers, footballers train etc etc. Penalty taking is a unique situation in football though. It’s not a team moment, it’s not normal game play, it’s a dead ball situation with all eyes and pressure on the penalty taker. You can practice all day long and you will improve on the training ground. Your technique will get better and your success rate will improve. If you are not prepared or not mentally right to handle pressure though, ultimately it will make no difference. If you have scored 100 out of 100 but on the day you have a niggle in the back of your mind because of the pressure on you, there’s a better chance (compared to somebody who thrives on pressure or someone that can handle pressure) that you will miss. Do you really believe our record at penalties over the years is merely down to our players not practicing enough? The problem is much deeper than that. English players in general freeze on the big stage. Many other nations raise their players to relish the big stage and teach their youth to focus on the rewards that winning brings (i.e. “a winning mentality”). It is something we have never had as a country. You can't teach a player how to handle pressure on the training ground. WD p.s. of course, this is all bollocks, we just need to practice penalties more on the training ground. . . . The point is though that i can agree with everything you've said about pressure and yet still be right in what i say. Taking a penalty in a big match will have no more pressure on it than holding a 5 foot putt for the Open Championship. Different players cope with pressure a lot differently, that is not up for debate. However, if you're over that 5 foot putt and the day before you have sank a thousand of them compared to the next bloke who hasn't even bothered to practice then you will be more prepared and confident to make it. You admitted that practicing will improve your technique and your success rate. That will surely effect your confidence and mentality when you are presented with the real situation. I'm not suggesting that practice is everything but i am challenging that it has no impact at all. The more you do something, the better you will get at it and the more likely you will cope having to do it under pressure. It's basic common sense really. |
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Post by prettyricky on Dec 21, 2010 11:56:08 GMT
Not "player/coach" surely, maybe specialist coach ? He's at least 42 isn't he and hasn't to my knowlege played for years and wasn't the fittest to begin with... That's what I heard he wants him to be an impact sub who comes on purely to take penalties as well as coaching the team that's why I suggested Graham Alexander cus he is still playing even though he is actually only 3 years younger than Le Tis. And with Le Tis seeming settled into the media side seems like a lot of work to upheave him and pull him out of retirement at 42. |
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