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Post by thepremierbanksy on Nov 19, 2010 8:42:06 GMT
We've got a strong hand, he is basically saying he will only go to the prem, I don't see the likes of spurs or villa going in for him so any other offers would likely be from similar size clubs to us, and with his positive experiences at stoke thus far I would back us strongly.
If he can't agree a contract with us then I'd be surprised if he moves to blackburn or fulham for example.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 8:45:52 GMT
I agree But numptys will come out and moan if we dont tie the deal up yes adfaye25 im looking at you! I won't come out and moan if the deal isn't tied up ??? I will, however, say "told ya" You're missing the point. If the deal isn't tied up because he's asking for stupid money, then so be it. He's a cracking player doing a cracking job, but we have to respect our wage structure. This isn't like old school Championship manager where you can just chuck 70 grand a week at a player without consequences. I'll ask again, do you think we should just pay him literally whatever he wants?
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 19, 2010 8:50:54 GMT
No i don't, but at the same time we can't expect him to take a ridiculous pay cut and skip happily into the team. My point, i'll reiterate, isn't so much about how much Pennant demands but how much we're prepared to offer.
I still maintain it will be wide of the mark
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 8:57:46 GMT
No i don't, but at the same time we can't expect him to take a ridiculous pay cut and skip happily into the team. My point, i'll reiterate, isn't so much about how much Pennant demands but how much we're prepared to offer. I still maintain it will be wide of the mark And I maintain you're basing that on nothing and that the quality players we have at the club are proof that the wage structure need not be a deterrent. All Pulis has said is we won't break our wage structure. He hasn't said we'll pay him peanuts, and plenty of our players are clearly on a fair wedge. Again, how, based purely on the evidence, is that anything other than sensible?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 9:05:32 GMT
I don’t think Pennant will price himself out of a move.
He’s here, he’s enjoying himself and I believe him when he says he wants to extend his stay.
Unless something very unlikely happens (i.e. one of the big teams comes in and offers him a ridiculous amount of money) I think he will fit into our structure.
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Post by dadofsam on Nov 19, 2010 9:07:54 GMT
The pre negotiation posturings are in full swing - links with other players in his position etc.
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Post by trincostokie on Nov 19, 2010 9:08:25 GMT
I don’t think Pennant will price himself out of a move. He’s here, he’s enjoying himself and I believe him when he says he wants to extend his stay. Unless something very unlikely happens (i.e. one of the big teams comes in and offers him a ridiculous amount of money) I think he will fit into our structure. Agreed
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 19, 2010 9:09:08 GMT
like was said last night though rob, a fair few of our players are having their wages subsidised in some respect by their previous club.
Is it not an option that we'll just extend his loan spell to the end of the season on the deal he has now?
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Nov 19, 2010 9:27:45 GMT
I have been reliably informed on numerous occasions that JP will be our first signing in the Jan window, a deal is in place with Real and he knows what we will pay and what we will not and instead of him sitting on his arse at a club he doesn't want to be at he is prepared to take a cut with a signing of fee for the sake of his career and to join the revolution, he loves working under TP and loves the fans passion and TP loves having him here, they will be joined in holey matrimony in January.
I have no reason to doubt what I have been told so chill thee beans fellas.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 19, 2010 11:48:32 GMT
I don’t think Pennant will price himself out of a move. He’s here, he’s enjoying himself and I believe him when he says he wants to extend his stay. Unless something very unlikely happens (i.e. one of the big teams comes in and offers him a ridiculous amount of money) I think he will fit into our structure. I agree with all of this. At the moment it's just a display of public brinkmanship from Pulis ... ultimately JP isn't going to go back to Spain, so he is going to be taking a pay cut, he'll get from us what we think is fair and he'll accept it, that is of course if nobody else makes an approach for him.
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Post by french toast on Nov 19, 2010 11:52:08 GMT
No we don't know what Pennant wants but I'll bet you anything that we offer him a fraction of it. We won't break our wage structure to keep him or any other decent player and so, sadly, i think we'll lose him. Tone has been more lucky than shrewd imo given that we have taken advantage of the parent club wanting rid in the past, even if they subsidise the move. I reckon Pennant has done enough to be courted by other clubs who will pay him a decent salary. When Tone peddles this shit, it's usually as a gentle let down and not a smoke screen as suggested that is shrewd not lucky, if they were not willing to negotiate tony would have looked elsewhere
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 11:55:26 GMT
I don’t think Tone is peddling shit.
He’s just talking common sense and stating fact; if a player wants to come here, he fits into our wage structure. End of.
The most important thing is, both parties are saying they want to extend the length of the current deal.
That’s good enough for me.
Let the money men sort the rest out.
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Post by french toast on Nov 19, 2010 11:57:20 GMT
like was said last night though rob, a fair few of our players are having their wages subsidised in some respect by their previous club. Is it not an option that we'll just extend his loan spell to the end of the season on the deal he has now? shell, the only players who is having that imho are jones and gudjohnson. we are hardly in a position where as we need to break our rigid wage structure, and i for one dont want us too. many people like to mention the fact we are the best run club in the league yet in the next sentance want to slate the club for not breaking the structure, if we broke it then the likes of fuller etc would want equal money. so not only would we be paying 20k a week more for pennant we would be paying 29k a week more for several other players. soon adds up and soon turns us in to another pompy. all i can say is thank fuck coates is in charge
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 19, 2010 12:22:07 GMT
like was said last night though rob, a fair few of our players are having their wages subsidised in some respect by their previous club. Is it not an option that we'll just extend his loan spell to the end of the season on the deal he has now? shell, the only players who is having that imho are jones and gudjohnson. we are hardly in a position where as we need to break our rigid wage structure, and i for one dont want us too. many people like to mention the fact we are the best run club in the league yet in the next sentance want to slate the club for not breaking the structure, if we broke it then the likes of fuller etc would want equal money. so not only would we be paying 20k a week more for pennant we would be paying 29k a week more for several other players. soon adds up and soon turns us in to another pompy. all i can say is thank fuck coates is in charge Spot on. People like adfaye25 obviously dont realise what the consequences would be if we just gave in and paid silly money out, you only have to look at Portsmouth
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 19, 2010 12:28:21 GMT
what do you mean 'people like ADFaye25' It's my opinion and i'm not justifiying it any more...we have to read enough of your horse shit pick
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Post by Murdoc Niccals on Nov 19, 2010 12:30:36 GMT
what do you mean 'people like ADFaye25' It's my opinion and i'm not justifiying it any more...we have to read enough of your horse shit pick ;D ;D Spot on.
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 19, 2010 12:34:58 GMT
You're not going to win many arguments if you're not willing to try to justify your opinions.
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 19, 2010 12:39:57 GMT
Have you actually read all of this thread? As far as i'm concerned, i HAVE justified my OPINION.
I am not trying to WIN any argument, merely posting my representations as to how i percieve the Pennant situation and i feel i've qualified what i've said. I have also taken on board the opinions of others and their external knowledge of transfer finances.
Jesus wept, it's like pulling teeth on here at times
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Post by ParaPsych on Nov 19, 2010 12:46:49 GMT
Wow, quite the reaction. I must have done something right there! I think there are one or two aspects you've not justified, but I'm not going to pressure you with a barrage of questions RVD style as I don't think I care about your opinions anywhere near enough. Plus I'm not a bully like he is.
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 19, 2010 12:48:15 GMT
That's fine para I'd moved on to thoughts of WBA away anyway
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Post by musik on Nov 19, 2010 12:59:24 GMT
TP is wise. A year ago I read that only THREE Prem League Clubs made a profit.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 13:05:07 GMT
like was said last night though rob, a fair few of our players are having their wages subsidised in some respect by their previous club. Is it not an option that we'll just extend his loan spell to the end of the season on the deal he has now? A fair few? Like who, beyond Jones and Eidur?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2010 13:07:17 GMT
Have you actually read all of this thread? As far as i'm concerned, i HAVE justified my OPINION. I am not trying to WIN any argument, merely posting my representations as to how i percieve the Pennant situation and i feel i've qualified what i've said. I have also taken on board the opinions of others and their external knowledge of transfer finances. Jesus wept, it's like pulling teeth on here at times Yes, but we've established it's based on virtually nowt haven't we? Not one of your assertions really stands up to any close scrutiny.
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Post by truckerged on Nov 19, 2010 14:00:19 GMT
80,000 a week not a fukin chance good player but the club has to look longterm we just cannot and should not keep raising the bar when it comes to paying salaries its about time footballers got a reality check
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 19, 2010 14:10:27 GMT
Have you actually read all of this thread? As far as i'm concerned, i HAVE justified my OPINION. I am not trying to WIN any argument, merely posting my representations as to how i percieve the Pennant situation and i feel i've qualified what i've said. I have also taken on board the opinions of others and their external knowledge of transfer finances. Jesus wept, it's like pulling teeth on here at times Yes, but we've established it's based on virtually nowt haven't we? Not one of your assertions really stands up to any close scrutiny. And that's your opinion rob. Is it a bit quiet on here for you such that you feel the need to pull me down on every post i make. I am getting a bit sick of repeating myself. January will tell!!! Any more 'mr big' last words?
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 19, 2010 15:16:01 GMT
what do you mean 'people like ADFaye25' It's my opinion and i'm not justifiying it any more...we have to read enough of your horse shit pick You make out as if we will try and take the piss and offer peanuts to pennant and you are basing that on fuck all. Women eh
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 19, 2010 15:30:13 GMT
No i haven't 'made that out' at all...stop exaggerating
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 19, 2010 15:35:07 GMT
No i haven't 'made that out' at all...stop exaggerating Simmer down duck ;D Thing is, you cant wait to jump on TP's back, just look at the new signings thead in the summer and we still did the business in that window
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Post by Gary Hackett on Nov 19, 2010 15:38:27 GMT
I have been reliably informed on numerous occasions that JP will be our first signing in the Jan window, a deal is in place with Real and he knows what we will pay and what we will not and instead of him sitting on his arse at a club he doesn't want to be at he is prepared to take a cut with a signing of fee for the sake of his career and to join the revolution, he loves working under TP and loves the fans passion and TP loves having him here, they will be joined in holey matrimony in January. I have no reason to doubt what I have been told so chill thee beans fellas. Oh hell I was really hopeful until I read that.
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Post by PickSCFC on Nov 19, 2010 15:42:34 GMT
I have been reliably informed on numerous occasions that JP will be our first signing in the Jan window, a deal is in place with Real and he knows what we will pay and what we will not and instead of him sitting on his arse at a club he doesn't want to be at he is prepared to take a cut with a signing of fee for the sake of his career and to join the revolution, he loves working under TP and loves the fans passion and TP loves having him here, they will be joined in holey matrimony in January. I have no reason to doubt what I have been told so chill thee beans fellas. Oh hell I was really hopeful until I read that. Hackett, why dont you start your own 'NEW SIGNINGS' thread and then we can compare your info with dave
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