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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2010 21:07:22 GMT
& anyway when did this deal collapse again?
ffs
throw away standard TP line pre-transfer & some go all doom & gloom
calm down
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 21:08:14 GMT
what is our wage structure then rob? I'm ever so curious? Does it matter? However much it is, shattering it for one player is going to be a very significant move with repercussions. Therefore, announcing publicly that you're prepared to do it would be absolutely retarded from a bargaining position. Are you saying we should just pay Pennant literally anything he wants, without knowing what he's asking for?
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:09:51 GMT
...well it wasn't me pre-empting doom by reportedly saying 'Pennant has to fit into our wage structure to be permanently signed' lord, was it? Maybe Tone really does hold all the cards on this deal and Pennant is hand wringing with his agent as we speak, to determine his wages for the next 6 months I doubt it somehow. That said, i agree with a few posters on this thread, Tone ought to shut up on occasion
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:11:03 GMT
what is our wage structure then rob? I'm ever so curious? Does it matter? However much it is, shattering it for one player is going to be a very significant move with repercussions. Therefore, announcing publicly that you're prepared to do it would be absolutely retarded from a bargaining position. Are you saying we should just pay Pennant literally anything he wants, without knowing what he's asking for? We won't shatter it, we won't get near...we may lose Pennant though but hey-ho, that'll be when Tone ply's the 'i hate transfer windows' line
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2010 21:11:19 GMT
TP says that all the time though & we still sign players.
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Post by mickstupp on Nov 18, 2010 21:11:58 GMT
My gut feeling about Pennant is that he is great to have on loan, but if we get him permanantly he would fizzle out and become a disappointment.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 21:12:39 GMT
Does it matter? However much it is, shattering it for one player is going to be a very significant move with repercussions. Therefore, announcing publicly that you're prepared to do it would be absolutely retarded from a bargaining position. Are you saying we should just pay Pennant literally anything he wants, without knowing what he's asking for? We won't shatter it, we won't get near...we may lose Pennant though but hey-ho, that'll be when Tone ply's the 'i hate transfer windows' line What are you basing this on?
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:12:57 GMT
TP says that all the time though & we still sign players. ...that are usually doomed to the scrap heap by their clubs...Pennant has a touch of class that may just be a saleable asset in terms of his own negotiations and pending interest....cue 'Arry
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:14:31 GMT
Based on my own understanding of how we do transfer window business and how being shrewd/lucky has served us in the past rob...that ok with you? I believe it's called precedent
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2010 21:15:43 GMT
my moneys on Pennant signing permanently (for Stoke)
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 21:17:04 GMT
Based on my own understanding of how we do transfer window business and how being shrewd/lucky has served us in the past rob...that ok with you? I believe it's called precedent Again, I don't get how it's "lucky" to turn scrap into gold consistently. That's a simply bizarre definition of "lucky". Also, Pennant isn't getting in the team where he is, so he fits that bill anyway doesn't he?
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:20:49 GMT
Pennant wasn't scrap to begin with rob. He was quite openly unhappy, that didn't make him dogs' home cliche material at all. We opened a door for him back in the league but as Bayern has posted, that equates to between 50-70k a week to match his salaray at Real Zaragoza...even if he takes a loss, do you think he'd accept a 30k a week loss? It's not as if he's mediocre is it? You and i both know that on current form the lad has to be valued at 50-60k a week Real Zaragoza have a new boss now, that incorporates new negotiations and it would appear that Tone hasn't a fucking clue how to deal with clubs if there's water between them
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 21:22:54 GMT
Pennant wasn't scrap to begin with rob. He was quite openly unhappy, that didn't make him dogs' home cliche material at all. We opened a door for him back in the league but as Bayern has posted, that equates to between 50-70k a week to match his salaray at Real Zaragoza...even if he takes a loss, do you think he'd accept a 30k a week loss? It's not as if he's mediocre is it? You and i both know that on current form the lad has to be valued at 50-60k a week He was miserable and miles out of the first team picture where he was. How does that make him different from an Etherington, Jones etc?
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:24:33 GMT
It doesn't rob...but we reportedly bailed matty out of some of his debt and i believe Jones is on 40k a week.
I purport that Pennant is worth more than Jones
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2010 21:29:39 GMT
Jones isnt being paid £40k a week - at least Stoke arnt paying him that
its November
calm down Pennant will sign
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Post by ProudPotter17 on Nov 18, 2010 21:29:41 GMT
Oh FFS!
I wish he'd keep his trap shut!
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Post by Olgrligm on Nov 18, 2010 21:30:24 GMT
Jesus how much are Zaragoza paying him FFS Zaragoza will pay £9,200 a week in taxes on behalf of Pennant, as they have guaranteed him take-home pay of £40,000 a week. In England, where players tend to be paid gross and, as of April, the tax rate for high earners stands at 50%, Pennant would have needed a salary of £80,000 a week to match what he will now get.Wasn't it Pennant who described the advantages of Spain as being able to watch Messi play every week, hot weather and a 28% tax rate?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 21:31:04 GMT
It doesn't rob...but we reportedly bailed matty out of some of his debt and i believe Jones is on 40k a week. I purport that Pennant is worth more than Jones Which kind of goes against your argument that we're not prepared to pay players a decent wage, doesn't it? Again, I've got no problem with us offering Pennant a high wage - just not a silly one miles out of our wage structure. I still don't see how that's anything other than sensible?
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:31:40 GMT
Jones isnt being paid £40k a week - at least Stoke arnt paying him that its November calm down Pennant will sign see...lucky! as previously said, we take advantage of parent clubs wanting rid! What happens when he's soley on our wage bill? I'll tell you...Tone will come out with "he has to fit into our(i think they get too much anyway) wage structure" ...then they're gone
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Post by jezzascfc on Nov 18, 2010 21:32:00 GMT
If Tone wants him bad enough, he will use bonuses, up front payments etc to make sure JP is suitably compensated without his basic salary breaking our wage structure.
If another club comes in with an offer of 60/70 grand a week basic, that's when our problems will start. But which English club would/could do that right now which may want him?
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Post by lordb on Nov 18, 2010 21:32:39 GMT
bet you he signs for Stoke
stop werriting
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:33:52 GMT
rob...see lordb's post...we don't pay Jones that and i meant to previously investigate it but i'm sure fishpaste qualified the signing of Gyan and the loss of Jones as equating to the same in monetary terms....Tone hyperventilates above 25k a week...reckon Pennant will stay for that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 21:34:54 GMT
Jones isnt being paid £40k a week - at least Stoke arnt paying him that its November calm down Pennant will sign see...lucky! as previously said, we take advantage of parent clubs wanting rid! What happens when he's soley on our wage bill? I'll tell you...Tone will come out with "he has to fit into our(i think they get too much anyway) wage structure" ...then they're gone IT ISN'T LUCKY! It's a deliberate strategy - one that Brian Clough used to go in for as well - find a good player fallen on hard times, get him cheap, turn him back into the player he was. It's hardly like he goes through the sticker album with his eyes closed is it?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2010 21:36:30 GMT
rob...see lordb's post...we don't pay Jones that and i meant to previously investigate it but i'm sure fishpaste qualified the signing of Gyan and the loss of Jones as equating to the same in monetary terms....Tone hyperventilates above 25k a week...reckon Pennant will stay for that? Sorry - Tone's definitely responsible for wages is he? That's his decision is it? Don't the signings of the likes of Jones et al show that we can attract players to the club with our current wage structure? Again, what's wrong with offering him a high wage that falls within our wage structure?
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:37:38 GMT
I'm not werriting lordb (well maybe a bit) but i think it's only fair not to dismiss the fact that 3 months and a cracking PL comeback to date only enhances his saleability for a new Real Zaragoza owner (assuming he hasn't been suitably impressed). It isn't as black and white as he loves us and we love him, let's thrash out the coffers As many posters on this thread have intimated and proven Tone hasn't helped the cause with his daft financial retort, but let's face it, he uses the same warning threat to suitors every window
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Post by stokie25 on Nov 18, 2010 21:38:40 GMT
rob...see lordb's post...we don't pay Jones that and i meant to previously investigate it but i'm sure fishpaste qualified the signing of Gyan and the loss of Jones as equating to the same in monetary terms....Tone hyperventilates above 25k a week...reckon Pennant will stay for that? Sorry - Tone's definitely responsible for wages is he? That's his decision is it? Don't the signings of the likes of Jones et al show that we can attract players to the club with our current wage structure? Again, what's wrong with offering him a high wage that falls within our wage structure? No but Scholesy has a large say, which is why i'm calling it a day on Pennant
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 18, 2010 21:39:11 GMT
Zaragoza will pay £9,200 a week in taxes on behalf of Pennant, as they have guaranteed him take-home pay of £40,000 a week. In England, where players tend to be paid gross and, as of April, the tax rate for high earners stands at 50%, Pennant would have needed a salary of £80,000 a week to match what he will now get. Wasn't it Pennant who described the advantages of Spain as being able to watch Messi play every week, hot weather and a 28% tax rate? I think it may have been! He has a point mind! It's changed now though, if he was to sign a new deal with Zaragoza he'd be on the new Spanish tax rate which from memory is about 43%.
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Post by coggy on Nov 18, 2010 22:07:30 GMT
Typical TP really nothing to worry about. Gets a message to our current squad that JP is coming in within the structure. He then takes the shortfall of wages as a lump signing on like KJ.
Clever way to do things if you have the lump sums. Keeps the wage bill manageable, stops other players kicking off wanting more, keeps the over heads down.
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 18, 2010 22:16:10 GMT
coggy is the voice of reason as usual
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 18, 2010 22:17:47 GMT
It would be great to see the 5 year budget after we got promoted with "actuals" listed too.
now that would be worth looking at.
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