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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jun 25, 2011 11:46:53 GMT
It is about TP's directive to the Academy in a meeting held the day after the under 18s went out to Wigan in last seasons Youth Cup.
It was a meeting that was decisive in terms of last years squad and trhe direction now being taken.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2011 13:45:59 GMT
Can You say what the basis of the directive is? On the Terry Robinson front he was president of Ferencváros, I wonder if this will lead to an influx of mighty Magyars? I hope so! EDIT-something else I've just thought of is that this could signal a change in guard over the academy? Ie TP's henchmen out and Coates' in? Not sure how that works with relation to what Mark has mentioned above but Robinson is a mate of Coates and Kevan was here before and has no connections to TP. Unlike Pennock.
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Post by apb1979 on Jun 25, 2011 17:54:52 GMT
EDIT-something else I've just thought of is that this could signal a change in guard over the academy? Ie TP's henchmen out and Coates' in? Not sure how that works with relation to what Mark has mentioned above but Robinson is a mate of Coates and Kevan was here before and has no connections to TP. Unlike Pennock. I said to you Bayern on Thurs on twatter that i wondered if it was a Coates appointment not TPs.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2011 17:56:41 GMT
So You did APB! I would say with both of the positions with what seem like Coates' men that it's the case. If it is, I wonder how pissed off TP is?
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Post by exiledstokie on Jun 25, 2011 18:01:09 GMT
So You did APB! I would say with both of the positions with what seem like Coates' men that it's the case. If it is, I wonder how pissed off TP is? It strikes me as TP doesn't give a toss about the Academy, it's Coates brainchild isn't it?
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Post by FullerMagic on Jun 25, 2011 18:10:07 GMT
What exactly is the remit of the 'Academy Director'? Is it a hands-on role?
And has Terry Robinson get any history in this area?
Seems a big job for a 68-year-old. Mind you, Fergie doesn't do too bad at that kind of age!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 25, 2011 18:14:35 GMT
So You did APB! I would say with both of the positions with what seem like Coates' men that it's the case. If it is, I wonder how pissed off TP is? It strikes me as TP doesn't give a toss about the Academy, it's Coates brainchild isn't it? He doesn't but he's a stubborn cunt as we all know, so a slap in the face like this may make him even more stubborn when it comes to the academy?
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Post by knowingeye on Jun 26, 2011 10:56:26 GMT
TP previously wanted to close the Academy.
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Post by magwitch on Jun 26, 2011 11:42:59 GMT
I don't know what exactly to make of all this with the academy, but it does appear a bit like a power struggle between Coates and Pulis. I seem to remember that Phil Rawlinson was also keen on the academy, but he appears to be a forgotten figure these days. Has anyone seen him this year yet? If Pulis wants to close the academy, it would seem like a major sticking point between him and the Board of Directors, and I would suggest the supporters as well.
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Post by silverdollar on Jun 26, 2011 13:58:10 GMT
When the Academy first started under Keith Leighton and then Noel Blake the following young players were in the Academy and playing for Stoke: Foster, Dickinson, Wilkinson, Henry, Vass, Rooney, Wilson, Shotton and one or two others who have since gone on to play at league level. John Brayford (Derby) and Byron Moore (Crewe) are players who came in two or three times and were told they were not good enough. Since Noel Blake left to take up a role with England, I personally feel the ACADEMY has been neglected and we have seen a succession of Pulis "job for the boys" appointments who have left when better offers have come around. If Stoke are truly serious about developing players in an Academy it is about time they appointed someone with a higher profile in youth development who also has proven history of success. Instead of scouring Europe for young players we should be looking at perhaps Holland or Spain for a new Director instead of a 68 year old who should be drawing his pension.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 26, 2011 14:01:13 GMT
The academy will only stand a chance once TP has left.
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Post by PenkhullStokie on Jun 26, 2011 17:55:24 GMT
The academy will only stand a chance once TP has left. Unfortunately, this.
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jun 26, 2011 19:24:21 GMT
When the Academy first started under Keith Leighton and then Noel Blake the following young players were in the Academy and playing for Stoke: Foster, Dickinson, Wilkinson, Henry, Vass, Rooney, Wilson, Shotton and one or two others who have since gone on to play at league level. John Brayford (Derby) and Byron Moore (Crewe) are players who came in two or three times and were told they were not good enough. Since Noel Blake left to take up a role with England, I personally feel the ACADEMY has been neglected and we have seen a succession of Pulis "job for the boys" appointments who have left when better offers have come around. If Stoke are truly serious about developing players in an Academy it is about time they appointed someone with a higher profile in youth development who also has proven history of success. Instead of scouring Europe for young players we should be looking at perhaps Holland or Spain for a new Director instead of a 68 year old who should be drawing his pension. For anyone interested in the Academy this is (unfortunately) a precise summary of the past and current situation. I don't know who you are, silverdollar but you have nailed everything to a tee!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jun 27, 2011 14:30:19 GMT
Suljevic has been picked in preliminary squad for the Sweden Under-17's. P17/94: squad in Halmstad
Coach Claes Eriksson calls 68 players born in 1994 to this year's camp in Halmstad on July 10 to 17.
P17-national team plays the annual Halland tournament July 19 to 23, this year's opponents are Norway (Vinåvallen 19 / 7), Iceland (Örevi 21 / 7) and Wales (Falkenberg IP 23 / 7).
18 players from the camp will be collected at the tournamentsvenskfotboll.se/arkiv/landslag/2011/06/p1794-landslagslager-i-halmstad/I wonder what will happen with Suljevic? He's been playing men's football all summer and we all know TP will like that. So will he carry on playing over there until their season closes in October (I think) or will he come to us presumably after this tournament?
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Post by knowingeye on Jun 27, 2011 22:11:58 GMT
When the Academy first started under Keith Leighton and then Noel Blake the following young players were in the Academy and playing for Stoke: Foster, Dickinson, Wilkinson, Henry, Vass, Rooney, Wilson, Shotton and one or two others who have since gone on to play at league level. John Brayford (Derby) and Byron Moore (Crewe) are players who came in two or three times and were told they were not good enough. Since Noel Blake left to take up a role with England, I personally feel the ACADEMY has been neglected and we have seen a succession of Pulis "job for the boys" appointments who have left when better offers have come around. If Stoke are truly serious about developing players in an Academy it is about time they appointed someone with a higher profile in youth development who also has proven history of success. Instead of scouring Europe for young players we should be looking at perhaps Holland or Spain for a new Director instead of a 68 year old who should be drawing his pension. For anyone interested in the Academy this is (unfortunately) a precise summary of the past and current situation. I don't know who you are, silverdollar but you have nailed everything to a tee! Hear, hear and hear, hear again. The right honourable Peter Coates and Phil Rawlins have dug deep to fund the Academy but hearing that Noel Blake was picking up the dogshit from the Mich before training was indicative that all was not right. Keith Leighton put the foundations in place and Gordon Bennett trying his very best to juggle ever reducing budgets and Noel Blake attracting new local talent ultimately meant that the Academy was in reality on its knees needing someone who knows about youth development to take over. That someone is not Tony Pulis.
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Post by jnb14 on Jun 28, 2011 11:38:04 GMT
Bayern. Quite right, he is from Bermuda, but lives in Nottingham. I don't know why he and his family have moved here. He's still under 16 (Year10) so I should imagine that would rule out any work permit problems in the future.
I still haven't actually seen him (this is a big school!) but he is a big lad so the PE mob tell me.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 5, 2011 18:24:31 GMT
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2011 18:32:05 GMT
I'm almost certain with that DOB he'd come either as a third year scholar or professional.
Seems odd.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 5, 2011 18:33:49 GMT
Yeah. Does seem too old for U-18s.
So where would he fit into things?
Doesn't sound like he's a world beater if he was on trial at MK Dons earlier in the year?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2011 18:37:10 GMT
I aren't really sure. I presume he could sign as a third year and still play for the academy but I aren't sure if that is the case, just applying a bit of logic. Brunt and Sinclair will be 3rd years so it can be done, just not sure if it goes for new players.
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Post by FullerMagic on Jul 5, 2011 18:40:40 GMT
Yeah - he's 18 next week - so I suppose he could well be eligible?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2011 18:55:37 GMT
Yeah, just not a second year I don't think, he's the same age as the ones we've just released.
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Post by PenkhullStokie on Jul 5, 2011 21:30:25 GMT
I aren't really sure. I presume he could sign as a third year and still play for the academy but I aren't sure if that is the case, just applying a bit of logic. Brunt and Sinclair will be 3rd years so it can be done, just not sure if it goes for new players. That is because they both had really bad injuries that kept them out though.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2011 21:39:51 GMT
I know, hence I'm really not sure what will happen with this dude.
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Post by PenkhullStokie on Jul 5, 2011 22:10:46 GMT
I know, hence I'm really not sure what will happen with this dude. Yeah but you said "it can be done". Yeah it can, but this new fella hasn't been with us and had a 6 month injury.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2011 22:13:36 GMT
I know, hence I'm really not sure what will happen with this dude. Yeah but you said "it can be done". Yeah it can, but this new fella hasn't been with us and had a 6 month injury. Which is what I said! ;D "Brunt and Sinclair will be 3rd years so it can be done, just not sure if it goes for new players."There's something in the air on here tonight. ;D
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Jul 5, 2011 22:39:09 GMT
July 1st is cut off date so by the info above he would be a second year for the forthcoming season.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jul 5, 2011 22:41:26 GMT
Makes sense then, I thought the cut off was August.
And could new players join as a third year or not?
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Post by Olgrligm on Jul 6, 2011 0:51:33 GMT
I've just done something very sad and measured the success of the various academies of the country according to how many players they've produced who are currently in a Premier League team's first team squad according to Wikipedia. I say that, but I got bored and gave up after I finished Swansea. Anyway, as you'd expect, Manchester United are miles out ahead with 28, Arsenal are second with 18, then it's Man City with 17, Villa with 16, Newcastle with 14, Everton with 13, Chelsea with 12, Sunderland with 11, Blackburn with 9, Swansea with 8, Norwich with 7, QPR with 6, Stoke with 4 and then Fulham and Bolton with 2 apiece. It's worth pointing out that West Ham must have provided about half of the players in the league.
In short - Stoke's academy hasn't really produced many Premier League standard players in comparison to other clubs, but at least we're not Fulham or Bolton.
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Post by JoeinOz on Jul 6, 2011 0:56:30 GMT
How often does Tony Pulis attend academy games??
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