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Post by mrpickles on Aug 3, 2010 9:46:50 GMT
On a different note, could RSC going to fulham free up Zamora given their similar playing style?
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Post by mailman44 on Aug 3, 2010 9:53:22 GMT
8 million for a peg legged over-hyped "not interested" striker and we wouldn't pay less for Zigic?
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Aug 3, 2010 9:57:34 GMT
He looked utterly lethargic at the world cup, he's going to require a sea change in attitude as well as a fair chunk of luck with injuries to be a success for Stoke, he's just not worth gambling more than £3-4m on in my opinion and to be honest I wouldn't bother with anything but a loan, I'd rather take a chance on Beattie.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 3, 2010 10:00:24 GMT
He looked utterly lethargic at the world cup, he's going to require a sea change in attitude as well as a fair chunk of luck with injuries to be a success for Stoke, he's just not worth gambling more than £3-4m on in my opinion and to be honest I wouldn't bother with anything but a loan, I'd rather take a chance on Beattie. As much as I'd really like to see the back of Beattie, I think I'm inclined to agree with you there Banksy.
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Post by Will_75 on Aug 3, 2010 10:19:06 GMT
I've changed my mind. HE'S SHIT. PULIS OUT
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 3, 2010 10:23:31 GMT
He looked utterly lethargic at the world cup, he's going to require a sea change in attitude as well as a fair chunk of luck with injuries to be a success for Stoke, he's just not worth gambling more than £3-4m on in my opinion and to be honest I wouldn't bother with anything but a loan, I'd rather take a chance on Beattie. Almost banksy.
Until the last bit in fact.
I would never in a month of Sundays go back to Beattie now.
Neither would Pulis i suspect.
But stranger things have happened.
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 3, 2010 10:26:40 GMT
I'm not too sure the injury proneness is a massive problem for us. Ricky had a number of injury problems before moving to us and we got him so fit that he only misses games for a rest really.
Might be tempting fate here a bit but we rarely suffer massive injuries where players are out for months at a time. The only really big injury we had last season was Matty's which may have cost him an England call up.
Tone seems to have a way of sorting most players out esp those whose careers have taken a knock or need getting fit.
I'm adament that if we signed Hargreaves, Woodgate, Dyer and Owen he could get them fit again.
My concern with RSC is the price we would be paying and potentially the wages involved. For that money there is surely safer bets.
Something tells me though if he goes to Fulham Hughes will get the best out of him again and we will be gutted!
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Post by roylandstoke on Aug 3, 2010 10:35:02 GMT
Looked as fit as Jon Parkin at the world cup.
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Post by realstokebloke on Aug 3, 2010 10:38:09 GMT
I'm adament that if we signed Hargreaves, Woodgate, Dyer and Owen he could get them fit again. Dan: do we employ a witch doctor or something then?
The players you mention have had the best medical treatment that (premiership) money can buy, anywhere in the world and they are still crocks.
Granted, Ric's glass knees were legendary at PNE - & known to Tony Scholes - and I think that's why Harry let him go from Saaafhaaampton at the time for 2s & 6d, and yes, we / he has done amazingly well to still be using them to good effect.
But unless, you know different, i really don't think we are at the cutting edge of (previously crocked) player recuperation are we?
If we do have the know-how, we should bottle it.
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Post by 606Stokie on Aug 3, 2010 10:40:32 GMT
I could see him playing in the Mama role.. and if he stays fit would be a cracking signing.
Got told yesterday of a man city fan we have made a 9mill bid as well.. who i did go to college with and has suported them for a long time.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 3, 2010 10:43:40 GMT
RSC plays in an advanced position compared to Mama. Why can't we do that and play Fuller and/or Tuncay off him. Radical I know, but it's about time.
Unless he's fully fit we won't be splashing out £9 million on him, but he does divide opinion doesn't he. Can look an elegant and clinical striker but it's a risk for many reasons.
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Post by 606Stokie on Aug 3, 2010 10:46:18 GMT
RSC plays in an advanced position compared to Mama. Why can't we do that and play Fuller and/or Tuncay off him. Radical I know, but it's about time. Unless he's fully fit we won't be splashing out £9 million on him, but he does divide opinion doesn't he. Can look an elegant and clinical striker but it's a risk for many reasons. Same here sadly I see another Ashton situation for him.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 3, 2010 10:48:45 GMT
He looked utterly lethargic at the world cup, he's going to require a sea change in attitude as well as a fair chunk of luck with injuries to be a success for Stoke, he's just not worth gambling more than £3-4m on in my opinion and to be honest I wouldn't bother with anything but a loan, I'd rather take a chance on Beattie. As much as I'd really like to see the back of Beattie, I think I'm inclined to agree with you there Banksy. Agree with all of that. And I can't believe we are actually seriously in for him If ever there was a 'type' we shouldn't be touching with a barge pole for this kind of fee and wage package, it's him. £8-9m and mega wages for an injury-plagued bloke who's had one good season and has got zero motivation to really put a shift in and thinks he's doing us a favour by merely being here. I'd steer well clear of him Bayern 99-00 43 6 00-01 25 5 01-02 33 8 02-03 16 6 03-04 36 6 04-05 4 0 05-06 13 4 06-07 33 3 Blackburn 07-08 40 20 08-09 18 4 Man City 09-10 19 3 www.guardian.co.uk/football/2007/apr/23/europeanfootball.bayernmunichTerrible. Rubbish. Disgraceful. Useless. Crap. Ridiculous. Hopeless. Bloody awful. It was, in other words, just another day at the office for Roque Santa Cruz.
In a few years, when people might still wonder what exactly happened to Germany's biggest club in 2006-07, one can simply point to the fact that the Paraguayan striker - the term is used very loosely here, he's scored zero in 22 this season, and a grand total of 29 in his seven previous seasons in Munich - was actually allowed to start three very important matches in a row.
Afterwards, some of Bayern's most loyal and ardent supporters fantasised about invading the pitch and smacking him across the face with a wet fish to wake him from his zombie-like slumber.
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 3, 2010 10:52:55 GMT
That season at Blackburn makes no sense in context does it? Hughes obviously let the money go to his head and splashed out needlessly. But..............compared to Sidibe, he's prolific!
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Post by stokerambler on Aug 3, 2010 11:00:55 GMT
FullerMagic - Interesting stats. Kinda says it in black and white. Only one decent scoring season and sits out large parts of a season on a worrying regular basis. A loan spell yes but splashing the cash, no, in my view.
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Post by markscfc72 on Aug 3, 2010 11:04:30 GMT
sky just been saying both Bellamy and RSC have travelled to germany
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 11:06:57 GMT
Like Macari says ....with wages of £90,000 a week you must be having a laugh...!
Tis not going to happen and Man City won't pay any of his wages.
Forget it.!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 3, 2010 11:17:07 GMT
I'm adament that if we signed Hargreaves, Woodgate, Dyer and Owen he could get them fit again. Dan: do we employ a witch doctor or something then?
The players you mention have had the best medical treatment that (premiership) money can buy, anywhere in the world and they are still crocks.
Granted, Ric's glass knees were legendary at PNE - & known to Tony Scholes - and I think that's why Harry let him go from Saaafhaaampton at the time for 2s & 6d, and yes, we / he has done amazingly well to still be using them to good effect.
But unless, you know different, i really don't think we are at the cutting edge of (previously crocked) player recuperation are we?
If we do have the know-how, we should bottle it.
Yeh but some of the time its got be psychological as well Tone does seem to manage to put confidence back into players (aside from Kitson who is probably a lost cause) who have lost there way Etherington is the current example. Duberry was another classic example as well. You've also got to look at that the fact we have probably one of if not the fittest team in the league. You may have all the money in the world but you've still got to ensure your players put a shift in at the gym. You've got to be wondering what some of the aforementioned players are doing to be constantly injured. Remember we are Battersea does home and not Crufts!!!
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Post by Clem Fandango on Aug 3, 2010 11:18:35 GMT
Meant to say
Remember we are Battersea dogs home and not Crufts!!!
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Post by padders01 on Aug 3, 2010 11:24:10 GMT
Thank god he has flown to Germany
Finally some sense been spoken. RSC is not worth £9 million. Maybe if we paid £2 million for him I would be all for it
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 12:12:09 GMT
Did Caceido go anywhere? He looks to have potential, rough round the edges but the kind of powerhouse who might just fit in with how we play.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Aug 3, 2010 12:17:22 GMT
Still at City according to Wikipedia, Rob. His record is 4 in 27 at City, 0 in 7 at sporting club de portugal on loan and 4 in 18 at malaga (2nd half of last season). He's not massively prolific but if you extrapolate his scoring record at city/malaga then you can see him scoring 8 in a season playing the mama role which in my opinion is not that far short of what a cole/KJ would give you.
not sure how much caceido would cost though, he's still only 21, maybe we could get him for £6m?
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Post by jimmygscfc on Aug 3, 2010 12:19:17 GMT
Christ, when was the last time Caceido played a game? He did look to have some potential though but it seems like ages ago.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 12:22:36 GMT
Still at City according to Wikipedia, Rob. His record is 4 in 27 at City, 0 in 7 at sporting club de portugal on loan and 4 in 18 at malaga (2nd half of last season). He's not massively prolific but if you extrapolate his scoring record at city/malaga then you can see him scoring 8 in a season playing the mama role which in my opinion is not that far short of what a cole/KJ would give you. not sure how much caceido would cost though, he's still only 21, maybe we could get him for £6m? I didn't realise his record was quite that shocking banksy, but as you say, i think he has the strength and pace to offer us something. Another one who we could probably take on a season-long loan?
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Aug 3, 2010 12:30:22 GMT
He was at malaga from january on loan, jimmy.
A more detailed look from soccerbase shows that his man city record was 4 goals in 10 starts and 17 sub appearances, changes the landscape a bit but he's not going to get 10 really.
Then again, who is going to get 10 from a traditional version of the mama role? even from cole it is probably asking a lot considering how few strikers reach double figures in teh prem anyway.
I guess it all depends on how desperate we are to replace sidibe, I suppose we at least need to get another option in that position though.
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Post by Cityfullergoals on Aug 3, 2010 12:33:50 GMT
My mate is a Citeh fan and reckons that they would be laughing if we paid anywhere near that sort of money for RSC
He does rate Caceido, but in reality he has shown little to suggest that he is the answer to our goalscoring problems, and I can"t see TP taking "a chance" on someone without a proven record if we are thinking of splashing out around 9-10 mill
Strikers do for some reason have "one-off" seasons when their goal ratio rises from anything they have previously shown before, as COULD well happen with the likes of C Cole and Zamora
Personally, Robbie Keane is a good shout. Whether he could be tempted away from WHL again to play regular football is another matter, as are his wages, but you would get commitment and quality, and certainly in the region of 10-15 goals a season. The signing of a "household name" would also attract other players imo, but finding the right player at the right price in this day and age is far easier said than done.
Who"d be a manager?
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Post by rednwhiteears on Aug 3, 2010 12:37:50 GMT
If we did sign him we could sing the old Ronnie Ronnie song lol Oh Roque Roque......Roque Roque Roque Roque Roque Roque Roque!
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 3, 2010 12:39:51 GMT
I'd rather have him on loan than Jo but for 8 million quid they can get knotted.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2010 12:54:43 GMT
My mate is a Citeh fan and reckons that they would be laughing if we paid anywhere near that sort of money for RSC
He does rate Caceido, but in reality he has shown little to suggest that he is the answer to our goalscoring problems, and I can"t see TP taking "a chance" on someone without a proven record if we are thinking of splashing out around 9-10 mill
Strikers do for some reason have "one-off" seasons when their goal ratio rises from anything they have previously shown before, as COULD well happen with the likes of C Cole and Zamora
Personally, Robbie Keane is a good shout. Whether he could be tempted away from WHL again to play regular football is another matter, as are his wages, but you would get commitment and quality, and certainly in the region of 10-15 goals a season. The signing of a "household name" would also attract other players imo, but finding the right player at the right price in this day and age is far easier said than done.
Who"d be a manager? Where do you play Keane in our system though? Instead of who? Would he fare any better than Tuncay has?
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 3, 2010 12:56:29 GMT
Keane to Stoke?
No chance. Im waiting for Villa and Fulham to register an interest and Keane's agent to politely tell Stoke to fuck off in the meantime.
Some positive news really wouldnt go a miss right now.
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