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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 30, 2010 18:56:27 GMT
And that was different cox...i had a getoutofhell card that you gave me ;D ;D
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Post by salopstick on Jun 30, 2010 18:56:38 GMT
im not religious so dont care
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jun 30, 2010 19:07:28 GMT
Sal, I too grew babies so you know they have personality long before birth It's a pretty damning statement to suggest that poorer countries shouldn't be allowed the privilege of creation just because they are poor and african.....that opens up a whole new can of worms for me Nobody in their right mind would say they dont deserve life because theyre poor or African. But surely their situation would be a million times better if rather than just throwing money and food at them, we also helped educate them about contraception and provide it for them. I may be wrong but i dont recall islam having any opposition to contraception and we have enough muslims in this country to help without it being taken as 'nasty white westerners' throwing their weight about again. I know it would be a huge task and take years but how long have we just been throwing money at Africa and its made very little difference. Going back to the point starkiller made about being against casual abortion, i dont think anyone is condoning 'casual' abortions as a kind of retrospective birth control. Most people are sensible when it comes to taking precausions but sadley accidents do happen and id guess most 'accidents' are born into loving families who wouldnt change a thing, but sometimes it just isnt right for the mother or the child.
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Post by stokie25 on Jun 30, 2010 19:44:19 GMT
it's not a huge task at all! I had a coil removed and had the depo-provera injection yesterday within 10 minutes...i even questioned the cost to the NHS to the practice nurse and her reply was 'minimal' ???
How's that for honesty given how much money they recieve in charitable donations? They should start at source IMO
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Post by salopstick on Jun 30, 2010 19:48:48 GMT
it's not a huge task at all! I had a coil removed and had the depo-provera injection yesterday within 10 minutes...i even questioned the cost to the NHS to the practice nurse and her reply was 'minimal' ??? How's that for honesty given how much money they recieve in charitable donations? They should start at source IMO too much info ;D
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Post by stokie25 on Jun 30, 2010 19:49:55 GMT
Funny that salop...thought that 'd shut you do gooders up
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Post by salopstick on Jun 30, 2010 19:56:04 GMT
will leave the do gooding to the catholic church, they are better at it than me
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jun 30, 2010 20:00:22 GMT
it's not a huge task at all! I had a coil removed and had the depo-provera injection yesterday within 10 minutes...i even questioned the cost to the NHS to the practice nurse and her reply was 'minimal' ??? How's that for honesty given how much money they recieve in charitable donations? They should start at source IMO I actually meant that providing contracption and educating the majority of the third world was a huge task ??? But thanks for the insight
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Post by mermaidsal on Jun 30, 2010 20:52:21 GMT
Sal, I too grew babies so you know they have personality long before birth Oh God yes... but when does that change come, from wondering who they'll be to them starting to tell you from in there? Maybe it's just always a different moment for different women. For my two pregnancies that got past first trimester I'd say around four months was the change, how about for you?
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Post by rhodesy on Jun 30, 2010 21:52:56 GMT
But with abortion, you're all saying it's the womans body. But the child growing within her womb is not her body, she has no more right to kill it than to take a gun and shoot someone.
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Post by french toast on Jun 30, 2010 21:56:28 GMT
But with abortion, you're all saying it's the womans body. But the child growing within her womb is not her body, she has no more right to kill it than to take a gun and shoot someone. thats bollocks, what if the woman cant afford the child? what if the woman smoked through pregnany and had a miscarrage? what if the woman didnt smoke through it and had a miscarrage??
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Post by Ariel Manto on Jun 30, 2010 21:55:56 GMT
This thread is literary circular perpetual motion.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jun 30, 2010 22:01:07 GMT
I think this thread has run it's course to be honest. It's been well debated and very interesting to see everyones views on the topic but we're just going round in circles now.
Time to move on I reckon.
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Post by rhodesy on Jun 30, 2010 22:07:08 GMT
But with abortion, you're all saying it's the womans body. But the child growing within her womb is not her body, she has no more right to kill it than to take a gun and shoot someone. thats bollocks, what if the woman cant afford the child? what if the woman smoked through pregnany and had a miscarrage? what if the woman didnt smoke through it and had a miscarrage?? Well if the woman smoked knowing that she is likely to cause a miscarriage, that's clearly evil and despicable. An accidental miscarriage however clearly nothing can be done.
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Post by french toast on Jun 30, 2010 22:10:52 GMT
Something to do with the fact that you keep banging on about it being murder. It's your opinion based on religious ideology. Cool. I hope it keeps you at peace. Personally, I don't care if your Buddhist, Sikh, Christian or Muslim. It's irrelevant. It's a statement of fact that the Vatican has been defending child abuse for centuries. If you don't like abortion, then don't have sex with your girlfriend until you get married either. Double standards, again? ;D Not really, I'll just use contraception. becuse all forms of that are 100% aint they?? best make sure you triple bag it
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jun 30, 2010 22:10:40 GMT
I think this thread has run it's course to be honest. It's been well debated and very interesting to see everyones views on the topic but we're just going round in circles now. Time to move on I reckon. I never thought id end up agreeing with a catholic on this thread ;D Its not a subject that anyone will ever change their views on and we all just have to accept that. Im right though
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Post by french toast on Jun 30, 2010 22:15:59 GMT
thats bollocks, what if the woman cant afford the child? what if the woman smoked through pregnancy and had a miscarriage? what if the woman didn't smoke through it and had a miscarriage?? Well if the woman smoked knowing that she is likely to cause a miscarriage, that's clearly evil and despicable. An accidental miscarriage however clearly nothing can be done. thats shit again Rodney, what about if the womans stressed due to this child, and has a miscarriage due to stress?? its not as black and white as you are painting it. there are many grey areas. i have not read this thread but what if the child has a high chance of having downs syndrome? or a poor quality of life due to illness (which gets tested for during pregnancy) what then? so every child should be born, if that was to happen where would they go???
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jun 30, 2010 22:20:03 GMT
Read the thread then, it's been going round in circles for ages and that question's already been answered about a zillion times.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Jun 30, 2010 22:20:13 GMT
Well if the woman smoked knowing that she is likely to cause a miscarriage, that's clearly evil and despicable. An accidental miscarriage however clearly nothing can be done. thats shit again Rodney, what about if the womans stressed due to this child, and has a miscarriage due to stress?? its not as black and white as you are painting it. there are many grey areas. i have not read this thread but what if the child has a high chance of having downs syndrome? or a poor quality of life due to illness (which gets tested for during pregnancy) what then? so every child should be born, if that was to happen where would they go??? It's all been discussed in the thread 1000
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Post by french toast on Jun 30, 2010 22:21:13 GMT
thats shit again Rodney, what about if the womans stressed due to this child, and has a miscarriage due to stress?? its not as black and white as you are painting it. there are many grey areas. i have not read this thread but what if the child has a high chance of having downs syndrome? or a poor quality of life due to illness (which gets tested for during pregnancy) what then? so every child should be born, if that was to happen where would they go??? It's all been discussed in the thread 1000 ill read it all tomorrow and put my final word in ;D cant we just kill rodney and have done with it???
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Post by Yorkshirepotter on Jun 30, 2010 22:26:35 GMT
;D ;D ;D
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jun 30, 2010 22:41:09 GMT
But with abortion, you're all saying it's the womans body. But the child growing within her womb is not her body, she has no more right to kill it than to take a gun and shoot someone. Do you agree with the pro life protestor who shot a doctor dead in America for performing an abortion then?
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Post by edinburghstokie on Jun 30, 2010 23:12:20 GMT
Some people on here need to realise when a foetus starts to exist. It is not when the sperm meets the bloody egg.
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Post by dave1863 on Jul 1, 2010 11:52:22 GMT
So what I can make out the religious beings on here only follow certain beliefs that benefit them and dismiss those that cause inconvenience?
Example being because you never have been in the position of having/needing an abortion it's murder but because you want to get your end away you'll use protection?
This is what makes all religious goers a farce and their views hold no value.
End of the day if you're so weak willed and lack any form of strength and individuality that you need to believe in something that has no proof to get through life then i do feel sorry for you but at least stand by it and not pick and choose when its ok to be religious.
Religion is not law so whatever some whack job tries to tell us they can go and take a run and jump.
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Post by mermaidsal on Jul 1, 2010 11:58:45 GMT
Just before this thread finally describes a complete circle and disappears up its own arse (where as you know it's not possible to get pregnant), I'd be really interested to know the average ages of the pros and antis - not judging anyone in this and believe it or not not convinced I'm right about everything either ;D, everyone comes to their own views from experience...
But I'm suspecting younger posters for whom pregnancy and abortion haven't yet been a real life issue are harder line about abortion?
And only two females (who also happen to be mothers) have been prepared to weigh in I think?
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Jul 1, 2010 12:28:00 GMT
I'm a soft liberal cunt Sal, but I think, to quote the Democrat party, "abortions should be legal, safe and rare"
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jul 1, 2010 14:33:08 GMT
And I'm a liberal socialist soft cunt as well, but I disagree with what appear to be my polical peers' opinions on it.
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Post by edinburghstokie on Jul 1, 2010 15:12:46 GMT
put me in the pro-choice group in the age bracket of 25-30. Not had that decision to make but helped a couple of friends with a choice they had to make.
I expect Rhodsey has just been shown the film called silent scream in his catholic school RE classes.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 1, 2010 15:18:42 GMT
Well......I'm glad that's sorted. I'm off to kiss a Roman Catholic shirt lifter. Bye... Love from mumf.
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Post by rhodesy on Jul 1, 2010 17:24:08 GMT
put me in the pro-choice group in the age bracket of 25-30. Not had that decision to make but helped a couple of friends with a choice they had to make. I expect Rhodsey has just been shown the film called silent scream in his catholic school RE classes. To be fair we've been shown images of abortions, my catholic schooling has made quite an imprint upon me as a person. Call it brainwashing if you like but it's for the better, clearly as I don't want to commit murder.
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