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Post by sufolkstokie on May 25, 2010 21:47:18 GMT
Maierhofer has scored his goals in the German 4th tier and the Austrian Publeague though. Spanish pundits do seem to make a point of Z's apparent suitability to hoofball, as far as anyone can tell. In Pulis terms, his lack of Prem experience and lack of English is a big problem. That's fair enough. But Beattie and Kitson are both Prem-experienced and speak fluent English and look how they turned out! The problem I have is there only seems to be THREE viable English-based target men in the equation - Heskey, Fletcher and Rob Hulse, assuming we aren't going to pull a Cole/Jones-shaped rabbit out of a big baseball cap. One is Championship standard, one is being touted about at £6m after one decent season and one is a 32-year-old known (but rapidly fading) quantity who'd still cost £2-3m and £40-50k-a-week and only be of half-use to us for one season and offer zero resale. Coyle wants Fletcher = no chance for us Heskey - we cant afford his type according to Lou Hulse - turned us down last time
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Post by supacoopa101 on May 25, 2010 21:48:51 GMT
He's having a medical tomorrow apparently..... I can't fucking bear this! Tony Scholes and the rest of the negotiation team need to be sacked!
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Post by march4 on May 25, 2010 21:50:00 GMT
I'm still disappointed we haven't signed him.
I'm even more amazed that there is a court hearing on Thursday to decide what to do with Carson Yeung's debt.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on May 25, 2010 21:51:02 GMT
You have got to love the panic merchants on here.
There's been rumours that we are signing players ranging from Carlton Cole to Walters.
A rival team look to be making a decent signing in May and that's it, the doom mongers are out. We aren't signing any of the decent players we have been linked with because they are bullshit but we are signing every shit player we have ever been linked with. Yes depite the fact it's only May, they know for a fact our only transfers will be Ledley, Walters and Hulse. These bullshit rumours are of course not bullshit.
Get a grip wrist slashers. There is a long way to go and we will bring in some good signings. We aren't in for Zigic so we aren't losing anything.
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 25, 2010 21:53:31 GMT
I'm still disappointed we haven't signed him. I'm even more amazed that there is a court hearing on Thursday to decide what to do with Carson Yeung's debt. March - agree but you and I know it may well take a long time before it comes to fruition. So long as they can service the immediate debt - the game continues
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Post by mosquito on May 25, 2010 21:53:36 GMT
Valencia have to do business, they are up financial shit street, with a half built stadium they cannot afford to finish. Hence selling Villa and anyone else worth a few pennies
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Post by ryouonthistrain on May 25, 2010 21:55:45 GMT
Wheel this crap! its doing my head in,he's one player.The cult of Zigic is really sad!
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Post by march4 on May 25, 2010 21:56:12 GMT
I'm still disappointed we haven't signed him. I'm even more amazed that there is a court hearing on Thursday to decide what to do with Carson Yeung's debt. March - agree but you and I know it may well take a long time before it comes to fruition. So long as they can service the immediate debt - the game continues But that's the problem isn't it. They have technically been in contempt of court already this year for not paying back money owed. They have also been threatened by one of the banks that they owe money to that they are close to taking control of Brum by default. Pompey were in deep doo doo when these things started to happen to them.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 25, 2010 21:56:34 GMT
Maybe TP is just interested in other targets now MD. He gets stick on here for not 'moving-on' quickly enough from failed targets, so perhaps he is now doing just that - moving-on. Maybe, but should he really be moving on from a player who seems to be available on a pretty good deal while in the meantime we chase after rainbows before ending up with players off the 'D' list?
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 21:56:42 GMT
If it's one term that fucks me off to high heaven it's wrist slasher.
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Post by ryouonthistrain on May 25, 2010 21:59:19 GMT
ITS KITSONS FAULT! ;D PULIS OUT!
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Post by Davef on May 25, 2010 22:02:21 GMT
If it's one term that fucks me off to high heaven it's wrist slasher. What that man said. And "Jog On".
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Post by sufolkstokie on May 25, 2010 22:03:50 GMT
March - agree but you and I know it may well take a long time before it comes to fruition. So long as they can service the immediate debt - the game continues But that's the problem isn't it. They have technically been in contempt of court already this year for not paying back money owed. They have also been threatened by one of the banks that they owe money to that they are close to taking control of Brum by default. Pompey were in deep doo doo when these things started to happen to them. No problem to them though - pay the immediate debt when they REALLY have to and they keep going
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Post by stokelad84 on May 25, 2010 22:05:28 GMT
stop being a fuckin wrist slasher bayern!!!!
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Post by mikeyb99 on May 25, 2010 22:10:06 GMT
Maybe TP is just interested in other targets now MD. He gets stick on here for not 'moving-on' quickly enough from failed targets, so perhaps he is now doing just that - moving-on. Maybe, but should he really be moving on from a player who seems to be available on a pretty good deal while in the meantime we chase after rainbows before ending up with players off the 'D' list? I'm not sure we know who TP is chasing TBH ;D It certainly seems like we've ended up with 'D' listers (I would class Collins as a 'Z' lister personally), but in truth we've no idea whether TP considered them 'A' listers, 'D' listers or any other kind of lister! Itsmorethanagame makes a good point. We're connected with numerous players by the press, good and bad, but only two people are probably really in the know about transfers: TP and Peter Coates. Zigic is one player who's been hugely talked-up on this message board, and the 'failure' to sign him won't make or break us this summer. There are other players out there, and we may or may not find ourselves pleasantly surprised by those that choose to sign on the dotted line in the coming months.
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Post by itsmorethanagame on May 25, 2010 22:12:04 GMT
If it's one term that fucks me off to high heaven it's wrist slasher. Good
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Post by bayernoatcake on May 25, 2010 22:16:47 GMT
It's the single most cuntish phrase on the planet.
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Post by Olgrligm on May 25, 2010 22:17:43 GMT
Maybe, but should he really be moving on from a player who seems to be available on a pretty good deal while in the meantime we chase after rainbows before ending up with players off the 'D' list? I'm not sure we know who TP is chasing TBH ;D It certainly seems like we've ended up with 'D' listers (I would class Collins as a 'Z' lister personally), but in truth we've no idea whether TP considered them 'A' listers, 'D' listers or any other kind of lister! Itsmorethanagame makes a good point. We're connected with numerous players by the press, good and bad, but only two people are probably really in the know about transfers: TP and Peter Coates. Zigic is one player who's been hugely talked-up on this message board, and the 'failure' to sign him won't make or break us this summer. There are other players out there, and we may or may not find ourselves pleasantly surprised by those that choose to sign on the dotted line in the coming months. Yeah, I suppose I am purely speculating. There is a bit of a track record though. We sent Tony Scholes over to Spain to negotiate with Valencia and he appeared to just spend his time wandering around shouting "DO YOU DO CHIPS?" at the locals. We've declared our interest in van Nistelrooy and Owen when the former had no interest in playing in the Premier League and the latter ended up at Manchester United. The end result was no new striker. It's disappointing that a former target who seems to be good enough for a fellow mid-table team is going for a decent price and we don't seem to even be in the picture. Still, the occasional Coates leak asides we try to keep our transfer dealings as quiet as we can and I'm sure that there must be something going on. I just hope that our A list is realistic and that our B list doesn't get gobbled up in the meantime.
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Post by stokie63 on May 25, 2010 22:22:09 GMT
we will end up with bejarni from man city mark my words and i,m not in the know either.
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Post by coggy on May 25, 2010 22:25:27 GMT
we will end up with bejarni from man city mark my words and i,m not in the know either. Now that IS a concern !
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Post by mikeyb99 on May 25, 2010 22:28:23 GMT
Yeah, I suppose I am purely speculating. There is a bit of a track record though. We sent Tony Scholes over to Spain to negotiate with Valencia and he appeared to just spend his time wandering around shouting "DO YOU DO CHIPS?" at the locals. We've declared our interest in van Nistelrooy and Owen when the former had no interest in playing in the Premier League and the latter ended up at Manchester United. The end result was no new striker. It's disappointing that a former target who seems to be good enough for a fellow mid-table team is going for a decent price and we don't seem to even be in the picture. Still, the occasional Coates leak asides we try to keep our transfer dealings as quiet as we can and I'm sure that there must be something going on. I just hope that our A list is realistic and that our B list doesn't get gobbled up in the meantime. Generally agree with that. Our transfer and negotiation policies are, ahem, 'unique'. Certainly Tony Scholes is an incompetent of the highest order, and if our transfer negotiating team is anything like our South American scouting team, there is every chance that it's like Del Boy and Rodney on holiday. Fingers crossed things drop for us this summer
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 25, 2010 22:30:26 GMT
The Zigic thing will come down to two things really. 1) Who we actually sign, and 2) How he does for Blues. If we don't get a decent forward AND the Z man scores goals, there will HAVE to be some serious questions asked about why we weren't in for him (if we haven't been.) However we could all be panicing over nowt and TP has the answer to our prayers about to put pen to paper. Lets see what happens!
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Post by FullerMagic on May 25, 2010 22:34:38 GMT
How many possibles in England do you see, Jamo? Can you see anybody outside Heskey at this point?
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Post by PickSCFC on May 25, 2010 22:39:05 GMT
we will sign heskey so dont worry....
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 25, 2010 22:39:57 GMT
How many possibles in England do you see, Jamo? Can you see anybody outside Heskey at this point? I don't really mate. I can see ones that TP would be interested in (Hulse, Heskey and KJ) but apart from Kenwynne (who I would still have serious concerns about) I can only see us getting someone from overseas, which would be a complete change in approach from TP and therefore quite unlikely. Im just hoping he does dip his toe into the foreign market as our options for a player to fulfill the role that TP would want aren't great if we stick to these shores.
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Post by stokecity4eva on May 25, 2010 22:41:15 GMT
the one big thing what is really annoying me is that if we were to believe davesviews were after kenwyn jones who may go for as much as £15 million and maybe even crouch who probably will go for £15 mill if not more then we have to factor in wages of 50 -70k a week probably for a 3 - 4 year contract so thats probably another 2.5mill - 3.5mill a year in wages so we could be looking at up to 25mill for kenwyn or crouch in wages and transfer fees where as if we went for zigic who i reckon is pretty much the same type of player jones or crouch would be for us (except he hasnt got prem experience)then we could pay 6 mill transfer fee and we could give him a 3 year contract on 60k a week and still only have shelled out £15mill by the end of his 3 yr deal
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Post by Paul Spencer on May 25, 2010 22:44:24 GMT
Maierhofer has scored his goals in the German 4th tier and the Austrian Publeague though. Spanish pundits do seem to make a point of Z's apparent suitability to hoofball, as far as anyone can tell. In Pulis terms, his lack of Prem experience and lack of English is a big problem. That's fair enough. But Beattie and Kitson are both Prem-experienced and speak fluent English and look how they turned out! The problem I have is there only seems to be THREE viable English-based target men in the equation - Heskey, Fletcher and Rob Hulse, assuming we aren't going to pull a Cole/Jones-shaped rabbit out of a big baseball cap. One is Championship standard, one is being touted about at £6m after one decent season and one is a 32-year-old known (but rapidly fading) quantity who'd still cost £2-3m and £40-50k-a-week and only be of half-use to us for one season and offer zero resale. Top post. I must admit I'm not that devastated about us missing out on him but you're right bayern that really is a cracking post.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2010 22:50:26 GMT
I would not rule out Pulis still pursuing Caroll for the Geordies.
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Post by potters11 on May 25, 2010 22:54:35 GMT
I am extremely disappointed that Zigic has left Valencia and has not signed for Stoke City. The only plus point being that I won't have to sit through hours upon hours of Spanish football in the hope of catching a glimpse of the big man, from now on he'll be on our screens more regularly. Zigic on MOTD and the opportunity to see him live in the flesh next season will be exciting! Best of luck Mr Zigic
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Post by Jamo on the wing on May 25, 2010 22:55:24 GMT
The one thing we all know is that we have to start scoring more goals. We all know that we need to start creating more chances and hopefully we will get a better quality supply of ball from a couple of new midfielders. Obviously even if that did happen though our tally wouldn't crank up noticably due to Mama's lack of striker's instinct. Ric isn't an out and out scorer so ideally whoever comes in will be able to carry our main threat in the 18 yard box and get beyond double figures consistently. This is why I worry about Heskey coming in (there's no doubt he'd be better than Mama) as I suspect the goals won't flow from him. KJ is a far better goal scorer but if the Mackems want £12m+ and he wants £60k a week I just can't see us going for it. The same can be said for Carlton Cole, he'd be excellent but I just can't see us going "all in" for a deal like that. I can only therefore assume that TP is finally going to throw a curve ball and bring someone in with good pedigree from abroad, I haven't a clue who but I am hoping we won't be disappointed!
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