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Post by italianstokie on Mar 11, 2010 0:33:08 GMT
As for Italy winning the World Cup well that was the weakest World Cup for a long time. I prefer to look at club form. Look how Man you demolished AC Milan tonight. Look how Chelsea will demolish Mourinhos Inter. Serie A is a long way behind the Premiership and you know it. Milan yes they are shite, but Inter no chance, i think they will beat Chelsea to be honest. Players like Balotelli are unbelievable hes just 19, Milito as well is an amazing player. To be honest Inters weakest player at the moment is probably Sully Muntari (a player which had great success in the premier league), so how does that work? the EPL is ahead in terms of talent etc, but in terms of national teams...well...stats of decades dont lie.
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Post by italianstokie on Mar 11, 2010 0:36:42 GMT
We shall see. England will be lucky to beat Algeria with that squad!! Although it might look better if Etherington was in it. What the fuck has Italy got to do with comparing Fuller and Tuncay? ;D I was getting heavily outnumbered, so had to review my options ;D To be honest i understand a lot of views, at least when people put reasons etc, but when some tits like that bloke who reckons Tuncays goal against Man City etc was an own goal....they need to think about what theyre saying, and who theyre supporting. Some people act as though they arent actually supporting Tuncay. I tell you what as well...as a person, i imagine Tuncay is far more respectable amongst other players than Fuller who has a reputation, so just think before you stary spurting garbage about Tuncay scoring shit goals etc.
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Post by italianstokie on Mar 11, 2010 0:37:23 GMT
In many countries if a player smacked his captain they'd turn on the player. But there you go, different cultures i guess.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 0:38:59 GMT
In many countries if a player smacked his captain they'd turn on the player. But there you go, different cultures i guess. Good job ours didn't, or we'd have been relegated.
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Post by italianstokie on Mar 11, 2010 0:39:57 GMT
It just meant Griffin got shipped off, which isnt a bad thing i guess
;D
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 11, 2010 0:41:27 GMT
What the fuck has Italy got to do with comparing Fuller and Tuncay? ;D I was getting heavily outnumbered, so had to review my options ;D To be honest i understand a lot of views, at least when people put reasons etc, but when some tits like that bloke who reckons Tuncays goal against Man City etc was an own goal....they need to think about what theyre saying, and who theyre supporting. Some people act as though they arent actually supporting Tuncay. I tell you what as well...as a person, i imagine Tuncay is far more respectable than Fuller who has a reputation, so just think before you stary spurting garbage about Tuncay scoring shit goals etc. You're taking 2+2 and making 5 mate. Nobody is slagging off Tuncay at all. They're both cracking players but we all just think if it's either/or then Fuller is the man. That doesn't mean we're not supporting Tuncay does it? We just think Fuller is better especially in the style of play we use. You're taking it all a bit personally.
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Post by italianstokie on Mar 11, 2010 0:45:27 GMT
I was getting heavily outnumbered, so had to review my options ;D To be honest i understand a lot of views, at least when people put reasons etc, but when some tits like that bloke who reckons Tuncays goal against Man City etc was an own goal....they need to think about what theyre saying, and who theyre supporting. Some people act as though they arent actually supporting Tuncay. I tell you what as well...as a person, i imagine Tuncay is far more respectable than Fuller who has a reputation, so just think before you stary spurting garbage about Tuncay scoring shit goals etc. You're taking 2+2 and making 5 mate. Nobody is slagging off Tuncay at all. They're both cracking players but we all just think if it's either/or then Fuller is the man. That doesn't mean we're not supporting Tuncay does it? We just think Fuller is better especially in the style of play we use. You're taking it all a bit personally. To be honest its good that we can have these debates about players who can play for top clubs etc, because a few years ago, there was fuck all to compare with. Just shows how far TP has taken the team. You never know we might see Fuller and Tuncay start together on Saturday but i doubt it. I doubt Fuller will be available as hes injured i think.
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Post by Beardy200 on Mar 11, 2010 0:54:27 GMT
You're taking 2+2 and making 5 mate. Nobody is slagging off Tuncay at all. They're both cracking players but we all just think if it's either/or then Fuller is the man. That doesn't mean we're not supporting Tuncay does it? We just think Fuller is better especially in the style of play we use. You're taking it all a bit personally. To be honest its good that we can have these debates about players who can play for top clubs etc, because a few years ago, there was fuck all to compare with. Just shows how far TP has taken the team. You never know we might see Fuller and Tuncay start together on Saturday but i doubt it. I doubt Fuller will be available as hes injured i think. If only. To be honest they're the best two forwards we have by a country mile and how we've only managed to try them together for one game against Wigan and 45 minutes against Blackpool, both of which resulted in plenty of goals completely baffles me.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2010 1:07:19 GMT
Rici could murder the Queen and I'd still want him up front every week.
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Post by kitkatkev on Mar 11, 2010 2:00:47 GMT
If tunny given the ball to whitehead we would have won thoes who went know what i mean
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2010 2:05:11 GMT
If tunny given the ball to whitehead we would have won thoes who went know what i mean That's my main gripe with Tunny, how bloody long he holds on to the ball for. But Fuller used to the same. He seems to have learned though now.
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Mar 11, 2010 2:10:36 GMT
Fuller > Tuncay
that's the end of it.
there can be no arguement.
Fuller changes games in a way no other Stoke player can.
and he terrifies the fuck out of nearly every defence in the league.
you can say he's only got 1 league goal this season but he's provided countless others and what's a player that scores 4 goals if another player creates 5?
i know which i'd prefer.
and you know that Fuller WILL start scoring and when he does it will be a site to behold.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Mar 11, 2010 2:21:40 GMT
Fuller > Tuncay that's the end of it. there can be no arguement. Fuller changes games in a way no other Stoke player can. and he terrifies the fuck out of nearly every defence in the league. you can say he's only got 1 league goal this season but he's provided countless others and what's a player that scores 4 goals if another player creates 5? i know which i'd prefer. and you know that Fuller WILL start scoring and when he does it will be a site to behold. Why should it be one or the other? Both are fantastic players and we are lucky to have them both. And they are totally different players anyway.
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Post by keithy george on Mar 11, 2010 9:24:45 GMT
I know exactly what Im saying.........It was a routine clearance off the line by Lescott but he buggered it up! .......I dont need to highlight the fact that Fuller is better,its patently obvious to the majority of supporters. Fuckin hell no wonder Italy are world champions and not England. ;D Not for long
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 11, 2010 9:40:36 GMT
It is always a massive blow when Ric isn't available.
We look toothless without him.
I'd still like to see him and Tuncay given a run when Ric is fit (but I doubt it will happen.)
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Post by italianstokie on Mar 11, 2010 9:59:18 GMT
To be honest its good that we can have these debates about players who can play for top clubs etc, because a few years ago, there was fuck all to compare with. Just shows how far TP has taken the team. You never know we might see Fuller and Tuncay start together on Saturday but i doubt it. I doubt Fuller will be available as hes injured i think. If only. To be honest they're the best two forwards we have by a country mile and how we've only managed to try them together for one game against Wigan and 45 minutes against Blackpool, both of which resulted in plenty of goals completely baffles me. thats what i dont get. whenever they play together as strikers we score goals, we scored the winner at Spurs, 2 against wigan at home and 3 in one half against Blackpool. I dont understand. cant be worse than Mama.
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Post by rita sue and danny pugh on Mar 11, 2010 10:13:22 GMT
fuller is a legend tuncay could become one
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Post by n01stokie on Mar 11, 2010 10:48:04 GMT
Fuller was a big miss last night, however i alwys feel with Fuller is that is more what he might do rather than what he does. But when he can be bothered he is very dangerous
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Post by griffoisalegend on Mar 11, 2010 11:22:44 GMT
Fuller is a true Stoke legend. And IS our saviour, before he joined we were awful and he totally transformed the whole club.
You can't go on goals, that is disrespecting Ricardo Fuller imo, he's by far our most influential player, our defence pushes up 10 yards when he's playing and teams generally put 4 or 5 men on him to null the bloke, never works though!
If you look at 90 percent of the goals we've scored, I can guarantee that they will have come due to Fuller doing something out of nothing. Tuncay, whilst classy at times, is still HALF the player of Fuller in terms of his importance for Stoke. You say Tuncay chases stuff, yeh, and gets fuck all doing it, people just pass it around him. He WONT run 40 or 50 yards in order to chase down a hopeless ball and turn it into something. Fuller does this 20 times a game and is probably the best channel running forward in the league.
If Fuller was employed to score goals, then yes you'd say Tuncay is the better option. However, Stoke are a totally unique team and Fuller is employed to basically carry it! His goal return last season was extraordinary but I think he's been just as effective this season.
We won't see the best of Tunners until Fuller leaves, and we develop into a footballing team with Tuncay either in the centre or in the whole, Fuller will always be the main man aslong as he is here and rightly so. The shit about him being an impact player is bollocks, it's simply we are fucking wank without him and then when he comes on we look a totally different proposition, which is hardly surprising. All this talk about players who shouldn't be playing here and there isn't our problem, our real problem is trying to replace Fuller when he's gone, because were fucked if we don't get someone in of his ilk over the next couple of years!
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Post by french toast on Mar 11, 2010 11:37:24 GMT
can some stato tell me how many we have conceeded when fuller and tunny have been playing uptop together??
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Post by italianstokie on Mar 11, 2010 11:49:15 GMT
conceeded 6 scored 7. good entertainment. footballs a game it should be fun and enthralling to watch. id rather us win 4-3 then us scrap out a 1-0.
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Post by italianstokie on Mar 11, 2010 11:49:54 GMT
no im wrong conceeded 5 scored 7
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 11, 2010 13:05:28 GMT
On form Fuller is ace. He can turn oppositions inside out with jinky touches and his technique isn't perfect BUT strangely it helps because that adds to the unpredictability...especially when he's close to the defender he's taking on. I agree it's frustrating he doesn't score more but remember it must frustrate him too and he adds so much to our attacking we'd be daft not to have him involved.
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Mar 11, 2010 19:21:44 GMT
Tuncay is far superior as an individual and in the way he makes the team buzz around him. Fuller is a one-man band largely and one that's been none too effective this season. In spite of that, I do think he can play a supporting role to Tuncay IF he learns to be a bit less greedy. His runs can be useful in unsettling defences but this season has proved who's the better goal scorer. Their respective records speak volumes. Having said that, I think Kitson could be an even better foil for Tuncay with Tuncay sitting deeper and Kitson as the principal spearhead. They've certainly both been more productive in front of goal than Fuller and.....er....Sidibe of course!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 19:25:14 GMT
Tuncay is far superior as an individual and in the way he makes the team buzz around him. Fuller is a one-man band largely and one that's been none too effective this season. In spite of that, I do think he can play a supporting role to Tuncay IF he learns to be a bit less greedy. His runs can be useful in unsettling defences but this season has proved who's the better goal scorer. Their respective records speak volumes. Having said that, I think Kitson could be an even better foil for Tuncay with Tuncay sitting deeper and Kitson as the principal spearhead. They've certainly both been more productive in front of goal than Fuller and.....er....Sidibe of course! Do you think Stoke look more effective with Tuncay in the team than Fuller Hudson?
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Post by hitman on Mar 11, 2010 19:27:27 GMT
fullers one of the best strikers this club as ever had, simple as that, on his day he is unbelievable and undefendable! when fuller doesnt play i always feel stoke dont play, hes that one player that can just do the impossible when your not expecting it, how he isnt being allowed form a partnership with tunny is simply beyond me!
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Post by waitingforwaddo on Mar 11, 2010 19:29:26 GMT
Most definitely. But we'd be even more effective with them BOTH in the side rather than our non-striking stinker.....I mean striker.
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Post by BoxxyTheLost on Mar 11, 2010 19:34:08 GMT
Fuller > Tuncay that's the end of it. there can be no arguement. Fuller changes games in a way no other Stoke player can. and he terrifies the fuck out of nearly every defence in the league. you can say he's only got 1 league goal this season but he's provided countless others and what's a player that scores 4 goals if another player creates 5? i know which i'd prefer. and you know that Fuller WILL start scoring and when he does it will be a site to behold. Why should it be one or the other? Both are fantastic players and we are lucky to have them both. And they are totally different players anyway. erm... well. because Tone says so. personally i'd love to see them given a run together but if Tone says no then Tone says no.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2010 19:34:32 GMT
Most definitely. But we'd be even more effective with them BOTH in the side rather than our non-striking stinker.....I mean striker. I really don't think there's been a lot of evidence to suggest that we look better with Tuncay in the team and Fuller on the bench.
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 11, 2010 19:35:25 GMT
Completely agree with the original post and BSR's subsequent posts. I now feel slightly strange that I agree with him on a matter pertaining to a striker ;D
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