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Post by lust4life on Dec 7, 2009 11:29:10 GMT
Look I know we dont know the whole truth about what went on yet and probably never will but say Pulis has gone to butt BT for saying something wrong or that he didnt agree with then how will the club deal with it.....You cant have a mananger doing these sort of things regardless of what is said to him....Ive disagreed with my boss before and told him so but know he would never act like that and if he did I would take the matter further ...
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Post by thecumbrianway on Dec 7, 2009 11:56:11 GMT
Yes they possibly would.
All businesses even football clubs have disiplinary procedures in place.
Even Pulis as manager is an employee of the club ... So if he has done as suggested then he would be liable for dicipline. and assault is probley gross misconduct as well.
Secondly if pulis has lost the dressing room and the players are unwilling to play for him it would take a very bold and risky chairman to keep the manager on and move on several first teamers, especially with the money they would demand for being sold
Pulis will stay probley, but until resolved his position is of course under threat
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Post by coopstadium on Dec 7, 2009 11:57:16 GMT
definately
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Dec 7, 2009 12:01:15 GMT
Unless he has acted like a rabid lunatic then I'd say we'd been insane to do so.
One (momentary) lapse after all that has been achieved is forgivable and we don't want to cut off our nose to spite our face.
Even if James Beattie is genuinely the injured party here we can afford to lose him more than we can Tony Pulis.
So, unless TP really lost the plot then I don't think the club would sack him.
It's an impossible call for us to make without access to the full facts.
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Post by mumf14 on Dec 7, 2009 12:02:56 GMT
If he goes...then I go ...
Greeeeeeeeen Arrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrmmmmy.
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Post by elystokie on Dec 7, 2009 12:03:35 GMT
I can't see TP being sacked even if he had/has 'lost the dressing room'
More chance of us seeing Coates in goal, TP in midfield and Peter Reid up front imo.
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Post by soicowboy2 on Dec 7, 2009 12:09:44 GMT
No one has any idea what actually went on -we have idiots blaming Reid on another thread saying he's the reason for the so called friction etc. These spats happen week in week out in football. To talk about sacking the manager is nonsense. Will probably just blow over like the Fuller/ Griffin incident. The club deals with these matters well internally usually and the press of course have it's field day.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 7, 2009 12:12:49 GMT
The club deals with these matters well internally
The tyhing is though in thisw case they do have to make some public announcement as it's so nhigh profile. Talking of which....how did the national press get hold of this story? Did the Mail get it through the Sentnull??
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Post by mumf14 on Dec 7, 2009 12:12:54 GMT
St Peter will keep the faith...of that there is no doubt...100% shit certain.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 7, 2009 12:18:10 GMT
Unless he has acted like a rabid lunatic then I'd say we'd been insane to do so. One (momentary) lapse after all that has been achieved is forgivable and we don't want to cut off our nose to spite our face. Even if James Beattie is genuinely the injured party here we can afford to lose him more than we can Tony Pulis. So, unless TP really lost the plot then I don't think the club would sack him. It's an impossible call for us to make without access to the full facts. Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on. However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ... Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant. It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling. |
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Post by mumf14 on Dec 7, 2009 12:21:11 GMT
Unless he has acted like a rabid lunatic then I'd say we'd been insane to do so. One (momentary) lapse after all that has been achieved is forgivable and we don't want to cut off our nose to spite our face. Even if James Beattie is genuinely the injured party here we can afford to lose him more than we can Tony Pulis. So, unless TP really lost the plot then I don't think the club would sack him. It's an impossible call for us to make without access to the full facts. Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on. However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ... Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant. It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling. This kind of attitude is typical of PHW's ''lets shoot ourselves in the foot and sack Pulis while we have the chance...'' We don't even know if it's true..FFS. |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Dec 7, 2009 12:21:37 GMT
Oh-oh. Is that the sound of PHW drool hitting the floor....?  |
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Post by ParaPsych on Dec 7, 2009 12:22:15 GMT
"It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling."
Well United didn't get rid of Fergie after he threw a shoe at Beckham.
It's obviously not "okay", but it must help your case if you're considered a key employee.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Dec 7, 2009 12:22:43 GMT
You can sense the fun size Mars bar hard on's rising at Pulis Hating Wankstain homes all over the land.
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 7, 2009 12:25:14 GMT
Well in most other areas of employment headbutting someone could mean instant dismissal.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 7, 2009 12:26:40 GMT
Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on. However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ... Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant. It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling. This kind of attitude is typical of PHW's ''lets shoot ourselves in the foot and sack Pulis while we have the chance...'' We don't even know if it's true..FFS. FFS mumf read my post again, my point wasn't specifcally to do with Pulis but with the wider point that I highlighted of Smudge's. Read the first sentence of my post, and read the bit where I said ANY manager, I even emphasized it for you! Jesus wept!  |
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Post by kidcrewbob on Dec 7, 2009 12:27:49 GMT
No one has any idea what actually went on -we have idiots blaming Reid on another thread saying he's the reason for the so called friction etc. These spats happen week in week out in football. To talk about sacking the manager is nonsense. Will probably just blow over like the Fuller/ Griffin incident. The club deals with these matters well internally usually and the press of course have it's field day. F*ckin hell Soi - how many times do I have to explain to you that I do not blame Reid personally for anything, just made the observation that there have been a number of "issues" arising since his arrival......which is undeniable. It is a reasonable enough observation to make without being labelled an idiot...... ...and furthermore I do not contend that he should go necessarily |
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Post by mumf14 on Dec 7, 2009 12:29:03 GMT
Well in most other areas of employment headbutting someone could mean instant dismissal. RUBBISH...They do this all the time in Australia...it's called harmless fun Aussie rules style... These new motivational tactics that Tone has adopted may take some time to get used to. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Dec 7, 2009 12:38:56 GMT
"It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling." Well United didn't get rid of Fergie after he threw a shoe at Beckham. It's obviously not "okay", but it must help your case if you're considered a key employee. Like I said originally PP, imho it shouldn't.Not that I'm suggesting that you don't agree. |
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Post by 811 on Dec 7, 2009 12:43:22 GMT
Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on. However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ... Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant. It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling. This kind of attitude is typical of PHW's ''lets shoot ourselves in the foot and sack Pulis while we have the chance...'' We don't even know if it's true..FFS. agreed mumf..... talk about drama queens |
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Post by jannerpotter on Dec 7, 2009 12:52:34 GMT
We do not know what went on, but there is no smoke without any fire.
My biggest concern is how this situation will affect the rest of the squad . The next 4 or 5 fixtures are important ones so the last thing we need is team on the pitch not fully focused. The teams below us are picking up points and our position might not look so good
going into the new year.
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Post by ben88 on Dec 7, 2009 13:01:28 GMT
call me abit biased,
put TP doesn't seem like the sort of guy who would head-butt one of his players.
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Post by lust4life on Dec 7, 2009 13:04:05 GMT
I never said we should sack the manager as I am a Pulis lover....I was just asking for peoples opinions on where the club could go with this situation.....I think that some of it is true but not to the degree the papers report.....If it was as bad as the press make out surely Pulis wouldnt be taking training today but would be in Mr Coates office or even suspended pending investigation....I hope we can move on from this keeping both TP and BT....
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Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 7, 2009 13:08:33 GMT
I suppose if the reports are true and Pulis instigated the attack, which would be surprising, then yeah I suppose Sir Peter may have to step in as attacking your own player is a bit far fetched, unless your Alex Ferguson.
If Pulis has this type of mentality then yeah it should be brought into question. Sacking would seem a little harsh though.
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Post by boweryboy on Dec 7, 2009 14:40:28 GMT
Pulis would have had to head butt Peter Coates before anyone down there considered sacking him.......
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Post by Gunslinger on Dec 7, 2009 14:49:43 GMT
PC and TP are good buddies and I can't see TP being sacked for this if he was to blame.
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Post by spanishstokey on Dec 7, 2009 14:52:44 GMT
If Tone did go (and I sincerely hope he doesn't) , we have to ask ourselves..................who would come in?
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Post by entropy92 on Dec 7, 2009 15:02:54 GMT
Pulis wont get sacked and so he shouldnt imo! Fair enough if its true he butted BT thats a bit much but BT shouldnt be questioning him in the 1st place nevermind going toe to toe players play the game managers manage how they do that on and off the field, all the players know this when they sign up, they get paid enough so accept the rules!
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Post by fromafar07 on Dec 7, 2009 15:09:43 GMT
Of course it's impossible to answer the original question without knowing what went on. However I was a bit surprised when you said this Smudge ... Surely if any manager headbutted a player, then the importance of that manager to the team becomes irrelevant in terms of how the matter is dealt with, or at least it should be irrelevant. It's tantamount to saying it's okay to use violence if the team is doing well but not if the team is struggling. This kind of attitude is typical of PHW's ''lets shoot ourselves in the foot and sack Pulis while we have the chance...'' We don't even know if it's true..FFS. hmm, maybe some of the playes are becoming PHW's !! ever thought of that ? |
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Post by burberrybassist on Dec 7, 2009 15:13:35 GMT
Hopefully, regardless of whatever official action the club decide to take, TP and BT can apologise to each other and sort their differences out, the team can't let something like this effect their on pitch performances so it needs to be sorted out by the people involved, not the club.
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