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Post by skemstokie on Dec 24, 2018 17:23:26 GMT
Once we leave it will open up a huge can of worms and it will split the UK up. Scotland will vote for independence and will rejoin the EU as will Wales and ni You will also see parts of England demanding independance Shit storms coming but Shhhh you are not allowed to mention it project fear It's possible Scotland may vote for independence following Brexit. But don't bet on it. Nicola Sturgeon ain't very confident hence her two year prevarication on Indyref2 as polls up here stubbornly refuse to support independence. So your prognosis about the dissolution of the U.K. seems more hypothetical than probable. Which, I reckon, is as good a definition for what constitutes Project Fear as there is. Think it is more project fact?
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 24, 2018 17:17:44 GMT
What put the Great in Britain was to a great part funded by the slave trade gun-boat plundering of wealth and other such crimes we as a country committed,i fear leaving the EU is more likely to take the United out Kingdom . What about taking the industrial revolution to the world with great minds and all the inventions it has put forward? we have contributed a lot of positive things in our history. Ia agree with what we have achieved but question how it was funded
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 23, 2018 23:21:50 GMT
Xuhui
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 23, 2018 23:16:02 GMT
What put the Great in Britain was to a great part funded by the slave trade gun-boat plundering of wealth and other such crimes we as a country committed,i fear leaving the EU is more likely to take the United out Kingdom . No what put the great in Britain Was being that little bit better at doing what the rest of the world was doing You cannot committ a crime for something that was not a crime at the time What does the United in Kingdom mean? because that is what leave is threatening to spoil and as for your first point if you think what are country did in the past was acceptable and was not a crime i do not share your values ?(if you actually have any)
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 23, 2018 16:12:32 GMT
Last time I looked, it was already there. Problem with our democracy is first past the post,proportional representation would gives us a much fairer society,i would under such a scheme vote for a liberal or maybe even Green party i have for years voted for Labour (because no "Liberal" or Green candidate was on the ballot up where i live) but with Corbyn in charge i am up the creek without a paddle
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 23, 2018 16:05:48 GMT
Let’s put the Great back into Britain , roll on March What put the Great in Britain was to a great part funded by the slave trade gun-boat plundering of wealth and other such crimes we as a country committed,i fear leaving the EU is more likely to take the United out Kingdom .
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 23, 2018 15:57:10 GMT
Maastricht
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 23, 2018 10:11:32 GMT
Algeciras
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 22, 2018 17:58:07 GMT
Grande-Grave
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 22, 2018 8:41:31 GMT
Demonovska Dolina
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 21:35:56 GMT
Stavengar
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 21:04:43 GMT
Newhaven
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 18:14:16 GMT
Wetwang
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 17:25:22 GMT
Orzysz
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 16:37:50 GMT
Poperinge (Belgium)
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 15:46:31 GMT
A democratic vote based on untruths then,which ever way you cut it what the leave camp promised is not what is available in reality and as such in my opinion should go back to the people. Untruths on both sides. I agree untruths on both sides which are both now known to all sides .
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 13:59:01 GMT
No a vote based on the democratic choice of the British people Democratic a lovely word totally lost on the majority of remain voters A democratic vote based on untruths then,which ever way you cut it what the leave camp promised is not what is available in reality and as such in my opinion should go back to the people.
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 11:44:36 GMT
Just stinks of smoke and mirrors to delay things to their ideal conclusion of May's deal... Irrespective of feelings or what rightly should/shouldn't happen I still feel the only outcome in this is that we see either May's deal passing or another referendum (with or without an election) as the house seems fairly unanimous in rejecting a no deal scenario. Hand on heart as a Brexiteer if those were the only options which would you take? Now I know in one respect we shouldn't be entertaining 'remain' on the ballot paper but lets assume that is an option to break the stalemate? I’ll take a second referendum as long as the question is leave with may’s deal or leave with no deal There is no need for remain on the ballot paper as we have all ready voted to leave A vote based on Lies.
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 20, 2018 10:15:34 GMT
Groningen
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 20:39:06 GMT
My personal opinion is in years to come some of the leave voters may come to the conclusion they voted leave the EU when what was needed was a change in U.K. politics,first past the post makes it very hard for a new centrist party to evolve and the centre ground is the route for united country no Universal Credit shit from the right,no Loony left policies as neither of the main party would command a overall majority. Skem, I believe there is a great amount of validity in your post, many people voted Leave just to stick two fingers up to a political system that ignored them for generations. To a degree the way Parliament has behaved since the referendum only underlines what these people thought. The issue now is just as much about Remain or Leave as it is about democracy being fulfilled, there will be no winners in this process. As i have said before at my age it will not greatly affect me,it is the younger generation (many of whom who were either were too young or could not be arsed to vote) that i feel for it is not the legacy i want for my grand-kids
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 19:56:17 GMT
So you voted leave because you thought that leave would mean a hard Brexit (as stated by Cameron) but on the other hand you call any stories of hardship caused by a hard Brexit that Cameron and his remain campaign warned of as a part of project fear campaign,seems to be contradictory to me? I voted Leave because at the time of the vote Leave meant Leave ( as I previously explained ). Hard Brexit, Soft Brexit, deal, No deal didn’t exist at the time. The only contradiction is by those people who said the result of the referendum would be implemented. As we have all seen in the last 30 months there is actually no will to Leave by the powers that be. Westminster really has no connection with a great proportion of the electorate. The fact that over 400 constituencies have returned the same party at every General Election since the war ( irrespective of boundary changes ) means our MPs have become complacent, to the extent that they think they know best and can ignore what was the largest turnout for a vote in generations. My personal opinion is in years to come some of the leave voters may come to the conclusion they voted leave the EU when what was needed was a change in U.K. politics,first past the post makes it very hard for a new centrist party to evolve and the centre ground is the route for united country no Universal Credit shit from the right,no Loony left policies as neither of the main party would command a overall majority.
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 19:34:48 GMT
Amsterdam
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 18:23:32 GMT
Oostkapelle
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 15:43:30 GMT
I worked in logistics and found a very similar scenario,the immigrant workers outshone the locals in most aspects,always willing to do extra hours,always striving to move up the ladder and better themselves. I found the opposite in care. Some immigrant workers were negligent and would have been sacked if the companies that employed them were fit for purpose. Most,not all but i would say 80+% did not consider it a job,most were keen to forge a career and the vast majority of long serving staff were EU nationals. I retired over 3 years ago but visited a staff shop on Monday this week the only staff members i spoke to were migrants with only ONE exception ?
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 15:23:33 GMT
Get out of your little bubble & go speak to some people, infact, you haven't even got to leave the house, just ask someone like TrickyDicky on here about it. So just after the result of the Brexit ref I had a meeting with the head of HR for who I believe is the largest chicken producer in the country and certainly one of the largest food companies. Many may be familiar as it isn't a company that is located too far away from here. We were talking about their feelings of the result of Brexit and I was told of their fears because the churn rate is so high there for staff. If memory serves me right about 70% of their employees were these low skilled EU migrants (mostly of Eastern European origin). I asked what they felt that was down to before I was told of how they produce chicken and stock virtually every supermarket in the country. One example was that there wasn't machines to take the bones out of the chicken, it's done by hand. Lots of staff stabbing themselves accidentally etc. Not particularly loveable work that is likely to give an enormous sense of satisfaction but I guess there's worse jobs... The wages aren't phenomenal either. Her words precisely "because the Brits just don't want to do it, they come and go because they don't like the work". Word for word. Am I saying that is consistent across all sectors? No, not at all as I don't know. But people are blind or ignorant to think that it doesn't exist, and I wouldn't be surprised if it did exist in all of those... I worked in logistics and found a very similar scenario,the immigrant workers outshone the locals in most aspects,always willing to do extra hours,always striving to move up the ladder and better themselves.
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 12:18:28 GMT
How come the leave campaign which you supported stated that we would have the quickest trade deal in history Norway or Canada with bells on yet you and 17.4 all knew this was not going to happen ? I believed the incumbent Prime Minister at the time who told us all on numerous ocassions “ Leave means Leave “ , the fact that he withdrew from office meant that he couldn’t implement this ( This act itself being the first step on the road to a Remainer running the show ). Any statements made by Leave campaigners prior to the vote have been unable to be actioned because none of them have been given the sole authority to act on their statements, the current PM, parliament and the EU won’t allow us to leave and have undermined any Leave campaigner or negotiator in every way possible. So you voted leave because you thought that leave would mean a hard Brexit (as stated by Cameron) but on the other hand you call any stories of hardship caused by a hard Brexit that Cameron and his remain campaign warned of as a part of project fear campaign,seems to be contradictory to me?
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 19, 2018 9:00:00 GMT
No deal is Leave. So is Norway style. So is Canada style. So is the thousands of other arrangements that could be sorted out between now and when we leave the EU. You speak for 17.4m people say "we all knew" - that's quite the claim. I don’t speak for 17.4 million people, I speak for every household that received David Cameron’s leaflet which told us leave means leave, in his TV statements he specifically emphasised the point. So at the time of the referendum we all knew what leave meant. The fact that in the intervening 30 months, the establishment, the media and various other outlets have introduced different versions of what they believe Leave meant has clouded the issue. I agree that there are now so many variants of Leave that don’t resemble what Leave meant on the day of the vote that some folk can say “ You didn’t know what you voted for “ but on that day in June 2016 we all did. How come the leave campaign which you supported stated that we would have the quickest trade deal in history Norway or Canada with bells on yet you and 17.4 all knew this was not going to happen ?
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 18, 2018 21:38:48 GMT
Orbetello
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 18, 2018 20:41:14 GMT
Rottingdean
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Post by skemstokie on Dec 18, 2018 20:09:30 GMT
Easterhouse
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