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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 20:36:20 GMT
How long before, we here those words "Madrid always find a way"? 😃
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 20:18:07 GMT
Nope, sounds like a right cunt. Did you post it at the time? I did yes. In response to a post from Gawa which I went on to admit I was in the wrong. I think you pointed it out actually. You're selectively outraged. Why were you in the wrong?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 20:04:45 GMT
Or beating up Muslim children in the playground as soon as next week ... what about white children who are beaten up daily in parks schools in our area is that except able Of course it isn't. Are you attempting to suggest that's there's some sort of equivalence? Surely they're both utterly abhorrent acts aren't they?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 20:01:50 GMT
What examples are you thinking of? Remember the Hitler had the right idea guy? Were you scrambling for your phone? Nope, sounds like a right cunt. Did you post it at the time?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:54:05 GMT
It does amuse me. The same cranks who are so scrupulously calling out the racism on todays march never, fucking never highlight the same isolated shit that goes down on the pro Palestine marches. Fucking hypocrisy. What examples are you thinking of?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:51:41 GMT
Great dive by the Dortmund keeper there, he will get a move to Madrid with those antics, timed to perfection An even better dive by Vinicius Jr. I’d have sent him off for that alone. Disgraceful. It was a clear booking, which would have seen him sent off for his second yellow.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:42:04 GMT
That's a terrible decision from the referee, Madrid should be down to 10 men.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:28:41 GMT
Borussia Dortmund fans looking ace Indeed but would the fans of English teams be allowed flags of that size in Wembley?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:25:51 GMT
Still not going to condemn it then? Fairy enough, that's your prerogative I guess. You enjoy the match too ... Yep, it is my prerogative to not bother posting on things that I consider obvious. But if you makes you feel better, I do consider it racist and their parents are obviously as thick as pig shit. Well at least we didn't have to drag it out of you! 🤫
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:12:56 GMT
I couldn’t give a flying fuck what 3 random kids on Twitter sing to be honest,I’m more interested in folk standing up and saying enough is enough Those 3 random kids are part of this country's future. It is deplorable to instill hate into impressionable young people. They could end up stabbing someone innocent in 5 years time. Or beating up Muslim children in the playground as soon as next week ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:11:35 GMT
I literally said it was disgusting, that was my only comment about it and it was made within minutes of you posting it. Yet for some reason you (amongst others) STILL won't condemn the racism of the original video. And how on earth could I have been 'predictable' if you posted it AFTER my initial post? It's in the thread, it's clear as day. Stop raging and enjoy the match, Mr Predictable. Still not going to condemn it then? Fairy enough, that's your prerogative I guess. You enjoy the match too ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 19:03:41 GMT
What on earth are you wittering about now? What you did, was because you didn't have any knowledge on my views on Islam, was ignorantly attempt to conflate me calling out racism with apparently being pro Islam. You even used the word 'predictably' and now you're not man enough to hold your hands up and admit that you made a mistake. You are predicable though Paul...and I'm right. I had to drag it out of you about the preacher. Your view of Islam as a religion is irrelevant. You're missing the point entirely. I couldn't care less if you love it or hate it. The point is that you selectively picked out an example of racism and never commented on the other more extreme one. It's in this thread and clear as day. I literally said it was disgusting, that was my only comment about it and it was made within minutes of you posting it. Yet for some reason you (amongst others) STILL won't condemn the racism of the original video. You didn't 'drag out' anything, i immediately responded to you about my views on Islam, which should have easily been enough to explain my views on his preachings. And how on earth could I have been 'predictable' if you posted it AFTER my initial post? It's in the thread, it's clear as day.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:53:10 GMT
IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown. Actually my point was people selectively calling out racism from one side but not the other....unless repeatedly asked to do so. You proved my point. Thanks. What on earth are you wittering about now? What you did, was because you didn't have any knowledge on my views on Islam, was ignorantly attempt to conflate me calling out racism with apparently being pro Islam. You even used the word 'predictably' and now you're not man enough to hold your hands up and admit that you made a mistake.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:44:01 GMT
IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown. I guess it depends on what your definition of “racism” / “prejudice” is? I’m sure it differs individually. The word “racist” is used way too easily by some and can often shut down discussions before they’ve even started. Well to be fair, you yourself Cobs, clearly identified the content of the video witch sparked all this off, as being 'clearly racist'.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:41:37 GMT
Do you support the ostensible reason for the March? - Protesting Met Police Two Tier Policing Apart from a few likes this passed peacefully without comment. What triggered you to reply Isn't he responding to the overall thrust of Cobs' post, rather than simply the bit that (you have rather oddly) highlighted? I thought the point wannabee was making, is the way that today's march panned out, ultimately proved, that the march, ironically, wasn't actually necessary.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:30:57 GMT
I do think Fosters point is a relevant one in relation to inconsistency in highlighting one side and not the other This is of course on both sides (sitting on the fence IMO Foster didn't even have a point. He was (rather unsuccessfully) trying to conflate people calling out racism, with people being pro Islam. The only 'inconsistency' here, is whether you condemn racism or you don't. I think to talk of 'sides' is dangerous Cobs, this is what the right wing media are attempting to encourage and the more that we look at it in that context, the more the seeds of division will be sown.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:22:26 GMT
So are you happy with them celebrating it or not? I couldn’t give a flying fuck what 3 random kids on Twitter sing to be honest,I’m more interested in folk standing up and saying enough is enough It's not about the kids per se, it's about their parents teaching them to be racists. You're OK with that?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 18:15:17 GMT
So why did you attempt draw an equivalence to Muslim children then? Oh and the video is from a right wing website, you happy with them celebrating it then? The video is all over Twitter and has been for a few hours,I’m just surprised it took so long for you and your chronies to post it So are you happy with them celebrating it or not?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:56:36 GMT
Things you love to see. With a bit of luck, they'll go back to their school playgrounds next week and ecourage all their mates to join in with the new chant that they've been taught over the weekend ... Anything to say on all the other videos or just cherry picked the one you can pick at? Probably be an idea to read the thread mate.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:50:10 GMT
I think it's disgusting but in this country I'm proud that we protect the right to freedom of speech. What I'm not happy with, is parents teaching their children to hate other people because of the religion they follow. Now, you tell me about that predictable bias, you were accusing me of. Had to force it out of you to be fair. Though that preacher has far more dangerous narrative and influence than a few naive kids. Him and his supporters should he deported as that crosses the lines of free speech imo. I've answered your question, now tell me about the predictable bias, you were accusing me of.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:41:31 GMT
Predictably bias? Bias about what? I'm an Atheist but of all the mainstream religions, I find the teachings of Islam absolutely abhorrent. It's treatment of women, non hetrosexual people and it's claim that it is the one true religion all disgust me, probably more than any other religion. But I also despise racism and I'm more than prepared to call it out when I see it. What do you think should be done about people like in that video? I think it's disgusting but in this country I'm proud that we protect the right to freedom of speech. What I'm not happy with, is parents teaching their children to hate other people because of the religion they follow. Now, you tell me about that predictable bias, you were accusing me of.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:32:27 GMT
What on earth are you blithering on about now? At least Cobs has got the maturity to call it out for what it is, rather than trying to justify it with some bizarre false equivalence about preachers and Sharia Law. Sigh ... Radicalisation... Any comment Paul? Or are you going to continue being predictably bias. I'd like to see you wet your knickers over more serious stuff like this on occasion. Predictably bias? Biased about what? I'm an Atheist but of all the mainstream religions, I find the teachings of Islam absolutely abhorrent. It's treatment of women, non hetrosexual people and it's claim that it is the one true religion all disgust me, probably more than any other religion. But I also despise racism and I'm more than prepared to call it out when I see it.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:26:56 GMT
I’m not justifying anything at all You’ve chosen one video out of hundreds on Twitter(which doesn’t surprise me at all) with 2/3 random kids joining in the singing with the rest of the folk there. Very sad So why did you attempt draw an equivalence to Muslim children then? Oh and the video is from a right wing website, you happy with them celebrating it then?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:21:56 GMT
This is grooming of children. Teaching children to hate other people because of their religion, is the radicalisation of children. But hey, that's alright ... No comment on that preacher video that's calling for Sharia law and all those chanting with him? Didn't think so... let's just get desperate and pick out 3 white kids instead. Must make your blood boil seeing all these other videos of people supporting their country's values. What on earth are you blithering on about now? At least Cobs has got the maturity to call it out for what it is, rather than trying to justify it with some bizarre false equivalence about preachers and Sharia Law. Sigh ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:18:12 GMT
This is grooming of children. Teaching children to hate other people because of their religion, is the radicalisation of children. But hey, that's alright ... As opposed to the Muslim kids🤷♂️I’ve heard it all As opposed to nothing, I haven't remotely suggested as much. What, are you attempting to justify it, or something?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:15:36 GMT
Things you love to see. With a bit of luck, they'll go back to their school playgrounds next week and ecourage all their mates to join in with the new chant that they've been taught over the weekend ... Embarrassing that. As I said it only needs a few to ruin it. Very irresponsible parenting teaching them that as it’s clearly racist. This is the sort of behaviour that turns the march from being a protest with a genuine cause / message (whether you agree with it or not) to something reminiscent of the NF from the 70s because of the actions of a few idiots who just make themselves look like thugs and give ammo to those that oppose the march. Shame they’re using kids to do it. I’m sure this is no different to the pro palestine marches where you get a similar minority acting like knobs. Well said Cobs.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:14:07 GMT
Things you love to see. With a bit of luck, they'll go back to their school playgrounds next week and ecourage all their mates to join in with the new chant that they've been taught over the weekend ... They have a point tbf😏 This is grooming of children. Teaching children to hate other people because of their religion, is the radicalisation of children. But hey, that's alright ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 17:04:06 GMT
Only arrests so far have been counter protestors. Like you say let’s hope it passes of peacefully I saw some footage from the march earlier on You Tube and it seemed pretty peaceful bar the odd idiot who’d had a few beers getting shouty. As is often the case it only takes a small number (what ever there view) to attach themselves to a march / protest and to ruin things and give a story to the opposite side that they can feed off. I think if you speak to the vast majority of people in this country most of them just want an easy and safe life and don’t want to get involved in protest or violence or bullying people into having the same thoughts they do. Things you love to see. With a bit of luck, they'll go back to their school playgrounds next week and ecourage all their mates to join in with the new chant that they've been taught over the weekend ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 14:03:01 GMT
It'll come out in the wash chief. But my primary concern is the precedent this sets. No matter the glee of some foolish few, this is a very very dark time for America and the west in general... The only precedent that has been set is that the principle that no-one is above the law, including ex-Presidents has shown to be the case. Which is a good thing - no-one should be above the law. The precedent that Trump is looking to set is the US Presidents are above the law - that is the real dark day for America because it would mark the end of the rule of rule and the beginning of dictatorship. Whatever your opinion of Hilary Clinton, every single word she says here is verifiably true and this is from EIGHT years ago. Now let's consider, just how many times Trump has made the same accusation over the last eight years. It is utterly astonishing that people are somehow still buying into it ...
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Post by Paul Spencer on Jun 1, 2024 13:46:17 GMT
Can you believe this?
I know the Tories lie and they cheat and they think the electorate are thick as shit but this takes all of that to a completely different level!
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