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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 20:19:34 GMT
So Macron is both a political novice and a former Finance Minister? How does that work? Hopefully Le Pen gets fucking crushed in the second round. How? He's never run for office before, he was an investment banker selected by Hollande. He doesn't even have a political party. He just took a punt with Emma Nuel MAc Ron ( HE) last year. The traditional parties' candidates from Valls, Sarkozy, Hollande, Fillon, Melenchon etc, etc have been rejected. Throughout this Le Pen has been consistent. Can you not tell a busted flush when you see one? All the losing politicians endorsing an under qualified civil servant because of what?? Because decades of liberal politics in France and the EU has excluded debate and silenced genuinely concerned voters in their tens of millions. Le Pen won't get crushed in the second round but even if she doesn't win it's a massive mistake to just dismiss the global mood of politics today as a 'blip'. It's an even greater mistake to assume that just because someone is consistent and has policies, they're worth voting for. If you're seriously endorsing The National Front, then your crocodile tears over Labour anti-semitism are even more absurd now than they were at the time.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 20:06:31 GMT
He was also a government whip who helped the Conservative Party take Britain into Europe in 1972/73. So was Clark the traitor, or was it yer Majors, yer Hagueses who were traitors: against what was, after all, a Tory ideal? Fuck me, you asked about cuntrag Clark I answered you continue on as if that wasn't the question No mate, I merely pointed out that it's not as black and white as you portrayed it to be. You can't be a traitor to the Tory party because you're pro-EU when you spent your formative years in politics obediently helping the Tory party to take us into the EU
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 15:44:51 GMT
Why is he a traitor, fraise? Funny you should say that. I was reading a labour piece the other day and came upon something like this .... putting the eu before party / country telling Margaret Thatcher to go in 1990 Preventing John Major pledging referenda on all future Treaties, as well as on the euro, in 1997, so allowing Labour to avoid referenda on Nice, Amsterdam and Lisbon. Appearing with Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson on pro-European platforms, when William Hague was mounting a Eurosceptic campaign to save the pound. He was also a government whip who helped the Conservative Party take Britain into Europe in 1972/73. So was Clark the traitor, or was it yer Majors, yer Hagueses who were traitors: against what was, after all, a Tory ideal?
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 14:22:55 GMT
Ken Clarke is and always has been a cunt and a traitor to his party. by calling people in the Tory party hard right is like calling Charlie Williams an extreme racist there are real hard rights in this world Why is he a traitor, fraise?
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 13:21:21 GMT
Because it's not that simple mate. The issue goes across party lines. Large numbers of Tories voted to remain (including the prime minister) and vice versa. It's not Brexit that makes Labour unelectable; it's a mixture of a toxic legacy, a corrupt media and a weak leader who's unpopular with his MPs. None of that would be solved by Labour going all out to reverse Brexit i probably agree i just shudder at this election as i dont feel labour has a chance in hell and we will be stuck with the self interest party. if labour offered us a way out of brexit i am sure they would win. people were missled by the brexit vote and it will be a disaster for our small nation. Totally agree mate, it's not what I'd personally like to see. But equally I don't believe there's anyone in Labour who's electable so I'm fairly blasé about it really Another Blairite would be obliterated just like Jeremy and wouldn't really be any different to the Tories anyway.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 12:53:35 GMT
its been on my mind for a while so i thought i would put it open for debate.many people in the uk still believe we rule the world sadly those days are long gone but dont tell that to the daily mail.i just find it bizzare that we still control land in foriegn places. i wonder how people would react if the isle of man was owned by argentina? and the isle of white owned by spain? i also wonder what is the true cost to the british taxpayer in keeping these lump of rock british? In terms of the Falklands, it's my understanding that there are potentially large oil/gas reserves there. Otherwise we quite possibly would've handed it back by now because it serves very little strategic purpose beyond helping us pretend that we're still a virile superpower Gibraltar's strategic importance in terms of its location and its established economy is far more obvious. I'd imagine that Brexit will see Spain apply far more pressure to hand it back; whether Spain can apply enough to make Gibraltar economically/strategically non-viable will determine whether we do so or not
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 12:08:12 GMT
it is my view that labour are now un electable at a national level,so why not come out and say we will give the public another chance to vote on brexit. straight choice tory=brexit. labour=remain Because it's not that simple mate. The issue goes across party lines. Large numbers of Tories voted to remain (including the prime minister) and vice versa. It's not Brexit that makes Labour unelectable; it's a mixture of a toxic legacy, a corrupt media and a weak leader who's unpopular with his MPs. None of that would be solved by Labour going all out to reverse Brexit
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 11:40:29 GMT
This should be fun
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 11:30:27 GMT
Wikitribune is a reaction to two things. 1. Sensationalised storytelling in the news that is designed to drive ad revenue for "news sites" via clickbait. 2. Biased political reporting in the press that seeks to politicise or skew news items in order to influence public opinion and/or gain support for a specific political ideology. If you want to continue reading the Mail with its highly politicised, often misleading and agenda driven reporting then please do so. If you want the facts of the matter reported in an unbiased way then i'd suggest you take a look at Wikitribune. Indeed, reference one against the other. The choice is yours to make, but clearly an informed individual will always prefer to read news of a factual, accurate, and honest nature. I don't buy or read the mail but it's always the mail people use as an example. The guardian is equally politicised, biased and agenda driven just the opposite side of the argument. People who only use right wing media outlets to highlight bias are equally biased The Mail and the Guardian aren't really comparable, sloppy. Their target audiences are from totally different social demographics. The Guardian is more comparable with The Telegraph. Both are equally flawed as hard data sources in their own equal and opposite ways. But the "mid-market tabloid" sector has until recently been totally dominated by the Mail and the Express, both of which are right wing We now have the i newspaper, which is aimed at a more similar demographic to the Mail. So if you must combat bias (even though you make no attempt to do so when discussing politics ), use the i, not the Guardian, to compare to the Mail please, fella
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Post by manmarking on Apr 25, 2017 6:08:48 GMT
As someone who is 62 this June and saw Cameron pushing out the pensionable age to 66 from 65 I've been cheated of ca. £8,500 so yes I do wish I had collected them Tory Boy! In 1925 when the retirement age of 65 was set the average age of death was 45 years old. The most common age of death in 2015 was 84. The retirement age is still 65. You can work out where I'm going here.... Errrrr, that quality of life for the average worker should never be allowed to improve beyond pre-Wall Street Crash levels? That money is more important than people? Any more?
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 21:24:56 GMT
How are WE today Harry ? Don't bother with it bish So many alts, so little time, eh?
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 21:06:29 GMT
There are a fair few on here just reflecting the national trend I suppose How are WE today Harry ? AAAADMIN!!!
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 20:46:39 GMT
Thanks, mummy Every time you personally abuse someone on here, I'll be here kidder. Shame I can't say the same about your fellow lefties, who loathe your rabid dribbling as much as everyone else does. Lol at all that coming from you Well I'm quaking, big momma. Is this the online equivalent of a good old fashioned face-sit? Wait a sec and let me get me bondage gear on
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 20:26:09 GMT
Still spreading the stardust I see, Normo? You're on a roll mucker. Thanks, mummy
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 20:23:13 GMT
I agree rules have to be obeyed and the conservatives made a mess of this . Did it affect the outcome of these seats ? I doubt it very much Fact No. 1: people only vote Tory because they don't understand what they are voting for Fact No. 2: people only vote Tory because of Tory overspending telling them what these policies are Fact No. 3: people only vote Tory because they can afford to live without the bulk of public services, and don't greatly care about those who can'tFixed the above for you, fydler
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 20:08:13 GMT
But, elections are governed by rules agreed and accepted by all parties. You can't have one party flouting the rules! I wonder if Nuttall's reluctance to say if he's standing as an M.P. is because of the complaint about his address on his Stoke Central nomination papers? Perhaps, he's worried voters in Thanet South, Grimsby, Hartlepool might be confused by a scouser with a Penkhull address? I agree rules have to be obeyed and the conservatives made a mess of this . Did it affect the outcome of these seats ? I doubt it very much Are you naive or just monumentally stupid, bish/harry? If the Conservatives did overspend, yet didn't think it would influence the outcome, why do you imagine they might do so? For lolz? A sense of charity towards leaflet printing companies? Money laundering? Any ideas at all?
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 16:14:50 GMT
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 15:43:17 GMT
Fraise, you were deriding "some silly cunts on here these days" two pages ago. At least behave towards others as you'd like them to behave towards you Is that your response to my earlier post too mate? Just so I know whether or not you've actually got a clue about the EU, like
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 15:12:03 GMT
erm I didn't say they are corrupt you did !!! erm get your argument straight and facts actually right and consistent before you start speaking drivel Ok mate, i knew it wasn't worth engaging with you Fraise, you were deriding "some silly cunts on here these days" two pages ago. At least behave towards others as you'd like them to behave towards you
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 14:12:37 GMT
If le pen can't win now she will never win. Losers get forgotten about A Le Pen win is good for the anti eu lobby. All it takes is for uk and France to leave and the rest will tumble. No one would want to be in an European state run by the Germans for the Germans. It's time for France to do their bit Oh, sloppy. Sloppy, sloppy sloppy... Here's an old classic, updated just for you First they came for the Muslims, and I did not speak out— Because I believe everything I’m told by The Mail and The Express.
Then they came for the socialists and I did not speak out— Because I don’t actually understand what a socialist is.
Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out— Because Thatcher taught me we’re all better off if it’s every man for himself.
Then they came for the Jews, and actually I did speak out— But only if it was Labour politicians in the wrong (I couldn’t actually give a flying fuck about the Jews).
Then they came for me—and at least we’d sorted out the bloody Muslamics so I didn't notice lol.
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 11:25:15 GMT
I still don't quite understand why you're getting angry with a bloke for saying something that you accept is true. Is that how far down the rabbit hole we are now? Let's also be clear on some other things. Firstly, no one is " trying to destroy a democratic vote by the British public". That vote happened on 23 June 2016 and the outcome was Brexit. What the end outcome of that will look like is now under discussion between people far above our pay scale. Secondly, your portrayal of any political party you don't like as "enemies of the state" is more authoritarian and undemocratic than the worst excesses of the EU. Especially given that the Labour leader for one imposed a whip to get his MPs to vote for Article 50. Any politicians who continue to oppose Brexit are not enemies of the state; they're representatives of a parliamentary democracy. Which, ironically, is an institution you've said you want to be stronger as a result of leaving the EU. Or do you only want it to be stronger if it agrees with you? To put things further into perspective, 52% of the voting population who could be arsed to vote voted with you. The rest of the country did not. About 27% of the UK population voted with you. The rest of the country did not. It's hardly the overwhelming mandate for forcing your will on everyone else that you make it out to be. People have every right to oppose the direction we're taking, just as you did for years before the referendum was called. There will be give and take, as there should be in a democracy And at the end of all this, you're now openly supporting a Remain voter for PM because you think she's best-equipped to deliver Leave.... We really are a long way down the rabbit hole. Best go anyway; I'm late, I'm late for a very important date I'm not angry with him. I pity him......he's so blindly following a cult that he's forgotten the people he probably first entered politics for Again though, how does the saying something that's correct make him "blindly following a cult" mate? You're not making any sense. And speaking of "forgetting the people", you seem to have forgotten that the UK represents around 12% of the total EU population (the UK's Leave voters represent around 3.5%). Verhofstadt is trying to get the best deal possible for the remaining 88-odd% of Europe. That's because it's his job, not because he hates you. It's a realpolitik business deal. Please at least try to be a little pragmatic here, fraise
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Post by manmarking on Apr 24, 2017 8:59:33 GMT
You don't have to be a genius to understand that his point is correct, fraise. Irrespective of whether he's a cock or not. An election won't make any difference to our negotiating hand. At most it will simply prolong the settlement. It's a purely party political enterprise, and any attempt to paint it as anything else is misleading and disingenuous, made received wisdom by bog roll rags like the Express It doesn't take a genious to understand why May is doing it. As for the eu and guy's comments The leaders of the eu will have the same problem once it starts in full. They'll need to rally all the nataion states they have in their power One or two rogues and it'll weaken their plan of a United States of Europe Just like the uk and the enemy of the state (the liberal party, the Labour Party, various politicians) who are trying to destroy a democratic vote by the British public. May is proving to Westminster just what the British people demand Unlike the eu who concentrate on blocking the will of their citizens As proven with Ireland, the Dutch, the French, the Greeks, etc I still don't quite understand why you're getting angry with a bloke for saying something that you accept is true. Is that how far down the rabbit hole we are now? Let's also be clear on some other things. Firstly, no one is " trying to destroy a democratic vote by the British public". That vote happened on 23 June 2016 and the outcome was Brexit. What the end outcome of that will look like is now under discussion between people far above our pay scale. Secondly, your portrayal of any political party you don't like as "enemies of the state" is more authoritarian and undemocratic than the worst excesses of the EU. Especially given that the Labour leader for one imposed a whip to get his MPs to vote for Article 50. Any politicians who continue to oppose Brexit are not enemies of the state; they're representatives of a parliamentary democracy. Which, ironically, is an institution you've said you want to be stronger as a result of leaving the EU. Or do you only want it to be stronger if it agrees with you? To put things further into perspective, 52% of the voting population who could be arsed to vote voted with you. The rest of the country did not. About 27% of the UK population voted with you. The rest of the country did not. It's hardly the overwhelming mandate for forcing your will on everyone else that you make it out to be. People have every right to oppose the direction we're taking, just as you did for years before the referendum was called. There will be give and take, as there should be in a democracy And at the end of all this, you're now openly supporting a Remain voter for PM because you think she's best-equipped to deliver Leave.... We really are a long way down the rabbit hole. Best go anyway; I'm late, I'm late for a very important date
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 21:05:22 GMT
3.10 on the nose. Wouldn't have been happy with that beforehand but I didn't know what a cruel mistress the marathon is then. I was metronomic at 3 hour pace until 20 miles, then my hamstrings tightened, and my calves and thighs started cramping from 23ish. Crawled down the embankment but the crowd really is as amazing as everyone says, which at least stopped me from waking. Will done to all runners. Top stuff, fella. Hats off. And yes the crowd on the Embankment are ace. Enjoy the well earned rest
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 20:58:42 GMT
Guy seems to be concentrating too much on politicians...
and not what matters again........what the people want but, Brussels elite have always said that democracy is dangerous same old eu not giving a thought to what the people have chosen, only their own agenda.... of dominating nation states governments You don't have to be a genius to understand that his point is correct, fraise. Irrespective of whether he's a cock or not. An election won't make any difference to our negotiating hand. At most it will simply prolong the settlement. It's a purely party political enterprise, and any attempt to paint it as anything else is misleading and disingenuous, made received wisdom by bog roll rags like the Express
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 19:27:08 GMT
Think you will find that you abused me in your post prior to that .....I really don't care though , please. Just don't bother in the future I wasn't even talking to you in the post prior to that, you quim
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 19:09:43 GMT
You bothered me first, you pompous bellend. Fuck off back in yer boring little box No I didn't .....and you know you it .......why the constant personal abuse I thought you considered yourself intelligent .....from now on don't bother until you grow up Oh yes you did It's obviously still the school holidays ....the kids are on
More name calling from the intelligent elite
Read more: oatcakefanzine.proboards.com/thread/267536/jeremy-corbyn-make-prime-minister?page=1#ixzz4f6KGX3l8What do you want mate, a safe space? Trigger warnings? Like some American undergrad transsexual? Do us a favour Personal abuse is all you do on here, so piss off and join carps on a self-awareness course
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 17:51:27 GMT
Well I can't be both, can I, you daft old bugger Just create yourself yet another username / personality and you're sorted Not my style I'm afraid duckie. I leave that to people like you
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 17:49:05 GMT
Well I can't be both, can I, you daft old bugger Stop bothering me and go back to your Dandy and Beano . You bothered me first, you pompous bellend. Fuck off back in yer boring little box
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 7:47:57 GMT
I'm glad you acknowledge that I'm the intelligent elite, bish. At least you're pragmatic And better to be a kid than a boring old fart I can assure you that you are well on the way son Well I can't be both, can I, you daft old bugger
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Post by manmarking on Apr 23, 2017 7:46:00 GMT
Private health care firms with Tory links have been awarded NHS contracts worth nearly £1.5billion. Circle Health landed £1.36billion worth of health service work after several of its investors gifted about £1.5million to the Conservatives. If that money does ever come through from not being in the EU we know whose pockets it would end up in. No wonder they are so keen to get out of Europe! As I've already noted, you have to be either thick or well-off to vote Tory (or both). Various examples of either/or/both on this thread
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