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Post by harrystaxi on Feb 14, 2008 19:39:52 GMT
So the media don’t give us any credit, Messers Merson & Gale rubbish us. So what? Merson will be remembered for all his addictions rather than his football & Gale won’t even be remembered. The longer this continues the more it benefits us, Southampton knew we were good at set pieces, yet conceded from three of them. Not one of the four goals at Wolves came from hoofball & if Ric or Lennie had scored “those” goals in the prem we’d be seeing them every weekend. All this crap about land of the giants & “non football” could just work in our favour, & by the time we have been sussed it will be to late. So go on Tone keep proving them &(me) wrong. We are not a bad side who rely on long balls – we just use both very effectively when we have to – the surprise is we can actually play as well.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 14, 2008 20:09:02 GMT
harrys, thats the best post i've read for yonks. Agree totally. Lets shove it up em but quietly.
Have some karma old chap.
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Post by kinnell on Feb 14, 2008 20:18:10 GMT
Nothing mythical about it. We are successful right now but the football is garbage. That's what the media are saying and it's true. Why can't you accept the fact? Or are you trying to claim that the footy is great too? Be honest with yourself. Why are you so afraid of admitting the truth in front of your face? I thought we were meant not to care about being ugly, even to revel in it? So why all this dishonest squirming. Crap footy gets results! We're living proof of that. And it's something we're proud of, shoving it up the footballing nancy boys. Aren't we? So what's the problem here?
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Post by Fantom69 on Feb 14, 2008 22:21:13 GMT
kinnell, I totally agree - as long as we keep getting results who cares what we look like?
Other clubs fear playing us and 'us' includes our style of play - that can only be a good thing psychologically.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 22:44:06 GMT
Kinnell
Scunthorpe, who you'll see tomorrow night, play good 'football'.
Ermmmm...I think that says it all really...
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Post by kkkkken on Feb 14, 2008 22:51:55 GMT
I think commentators and studio analysts see and read what they want to in games . I often wonder if i am watching the same game . Some of the crap you hear them come out with is unbelievable and its not just Motson and Lawerson . The likes of Kinnell who apparently have been going for years obviously have very short memories and have not watched many Championship sides this season . Stoke are head and shoulders above what i have seen this season . If this myth allows us to slip under the radar , then long may the myth continue .  |
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Post by DurhamDuran on Feb 14, 2008 23:01:07 GMT
Kinnell - The footy isnt garbage though is it? Granted, its not carpet football, or thrilling all-out attack play, but it is nowhere near being "garbage" as you put it.
Under Joe Jordan we played some 'Garbage', under Chic Bates, Chris Kamara and Brian Little we played some ABSOLUTE FREAKING 'garbage', most of Thordasons last season was 'garbage' (home defeat to Vale anyone?).
And yes, under Pulis 2004-05 season, we played alot of negative 'garbage'. BUT.... This season has not been anywhere near garbage.
Your opinion of what constitues 'Garbage football' is obviously very different to the majority of us Stokies.
I never saw the great Waddington team of the 70's (first game 1989) so perhaps my expectations are lower.
But based on the fact we've been out of the top flight for 22 years, and lets face it, shit for a good portion of that time, I think that for the size of the club, its resources, and the state of Championship (Div 2) football today, your expectations are in the realms of fantasy.
We're not an ugly, win at all costs team. Anyone who watches us can see that. We bloody peoples noses because we are resiliant, fit and hard to beat. Those qualities, and playing a bit of football are not mutually exclusive, and our performances this season (IMO) bear testament to that fact.
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Post by visunitafortior on Feb 14, 2008 23:31:22 GMT
agreed duran
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Post by kinnell on Feb 15, 2008 0:24:45 GMT
Proud to be ugly. Come out of that denial zone!
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Post by DurhamDuran on Feb 15, 2008 1:43:28 GMT
Yeah, but thats not much of a debating point is it? Cause I could then say: "Proud NOT to be ugly...... Come out of YOUR denial zone, Checkmate" which would bore us both to tears  so i wont. |
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Post by samstoke on Feb 15, 2008 4:41:27 GMT
We don't play Brazilian (the real Brazil, not WBA  ) style football, and neither do we play big boot footy either. We're a physical, direct side but with a fair bit of skill and quality too and it's the combination of the two that teams are struggling to deal with. We can score the route one goals from free kicks, corners etc, and equally we're capable of crafting quality goals too. Most teams in our league would kill to have quality like Fuller, Lawrence and Whelan in their sides. It reminds me a bit of Macari's '100mph' football, with direct fast flowing attacking with a pacy, skillfull striker as the figurehead. |
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Post by stockportpotter on Feb 15, 2008 8:31:43 GMT
Why is it that when Aston Villa score half there goalsmfrom set peices, as they have this season, it is seen as a great weapon. Yet when Stoke City of the Chapionship score 3 in one match thbey are accused of not creating anything from open play and are accused of winning ugly? Double footballing standards me-thinks.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2008 9:14:57 GMT
'Your opinion of what constitues 'Garbage football' is obviously very different to the majority of us Stokies.'
If we were mid table or worse most Stokies would be calling the football garbage.
The fact that we're third in the league appears to be warping certain fans minds into thinking that we play good football. We play effective football which gets results.
If we lose we play shit football, if we win we play good football. That's how some peoples minds work.
Simple really.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Feb 15, 2008 9:17:38 GMT
Proud to be ugly. Come out of that denial zone! No one is denying that we have not played less then "pretty" football. However to suggest it is plain ugly is just being very stubborn HG. This is the first time in a number of years i have enjoyed watching stoke (although the excitement of where we are does help!) and the football is much more appealing. Last year I was so bloody annoyed as i knew (and saw) how we stried to shut up shop as soon as we scored leading to defensive mind-numbing football. I was very frustrated and bored that i came less and less. This season, wanting to baptise my now 10 month old daughter to my pain of SCFC, I no longer have the fear that we are going to concede when we score and if we do, now believe that we can actually hit back and score a winner, unlike last season. The football has become more enjoyable, so much so that I am thinking of getting a season ticket again no matter if we get promotion or not! |
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Post by DurhamDuran on Feb 15, 2008 11:12:02 GMT
squareball - Obviously the league table doesnt lie, so the football we're playing gets results.
But you say that if we were mid-table or worse most of us would be calling the football garbage. Is this then one of the factors on which 'Garbage or non-garbage' football can be measured by???
Its effectiveness?
Higher up the thread, cornedbeeflegs said:
"Scunthorpe, who you'll see tomorow night, play good football"
But I'm sure, even if we were putting twenty consecutive passes together in every move whilst bottom of the league, we would almost certainly say we were watching garbage.
Footy is great because its all about opinions, thats why we have a thriving messageboard here.
But having watched stoke for the best part of the last 20 years, and having seen alot of garbage under lots of different managers (Pulis included i might add), I will continue to argue that we're not playing garbage, and I've left many a match feeling as though I've been entertained by an exciting contest.
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Post by OldStokie on Feb 15, 2008 11:24:58 GMT
Durham, I would agree with most of what you've said, except that bit and especially the word, many. Over the five years he's been here, I struggle to fing many games that would match that description. However, in very recent times, that is beginning to change. Percentagewise, the good games are now outweighing the bad ones. Let's hope it continues.
OS.
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Post by DurhamDuran on Feb 15, 2008 11:30:11 GMT
Sorry OS, I too meant to say this season. I agree that in the past, Pulis' tactics have at times been frustrating, negative and even dire. Thats why I would stick my neck out and say that we're not watching garbage. Some would have you believe that all football teams have to be polarised into either 1.) Football on a par with the 1970 World Cup-winning Brazil team OR 2.) John Beck's Cambridge United, growing the grass long in the corners to hold up the long balls. I would say we're somewhere in the middle, perhaps nearer the latter on the sliding scale |
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Post by sheikhmomo on Feb 15, 2008 11:35:27 GMT
This season and last the number of good games has dwarfed the number of bad ones. FFS games at the Brit this season average 3 goals per game and over 3 goals per game away from home.
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Post by mcf on Feb 15, 2008 11:41:13 GMT
Lost the least amount of games in the league. We must have drawn too many then. What a boring, negative tosser TP is despite lots of goals...wanker.  |
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Post by howard moon is a stokie on Feb 15, 2008 16:00:18 GMT
top of the league in a few hours (toes crossed). what a load of garbage! if this is garbage long may it continue. infact if this is garbage can i just say i love it. ;D "the media say our football is garbage and thats true" - kinnell  I think the national media paints us in very good light at the moment. Have you not read recent articles on the sky sports news website. As for sources such as the Barnsley official site & the local B-ham newspapers after our draw against WBA we see some very biased and untrue reporting. We were supposed to turn up, keel over and die. But we didnt, so we are painted as a poor poor team, that dives, timewastes and cheats. |
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Post by headsgoup on Feb 15, 2008 16:35:35 GMT
Whatever people think, I'll bet anyone that we finished the season ahead of WBA.
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Post by Laughing Gravy on Feb 15, 2008 16:59:56 GMT
Kinnell why don't you feck off you sanctimonious turd. You're wrong. You let your hatred of Pulis cloud your judgement which wasn't great at the best of times. We don't play great football at all times but it isn't garbage either. Its winning footbal. The media are wrong about us too. That is the point of the post. Long let that continue (well at least until May anyway) and if you can't think of anything positive to post at the moment don't bother because I for one am sick of reading your negative drivel.
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Post by kinnell on Feb 15, 2008 17:12:58 GMT
Lost the argument I see, Torch.
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Post by trebor63 on Feb 15, 2008 17:31:11 GMT
Our football is entertaining and winning at the moment imo
In his (Sir Tones) first season the football was negative and fairly poor BUT he got the results required. It's a VERY different story nowadays.
We are solid, well organised (usually, lets forget second half V Saints) we've got fantastic team spirit and attitude AND we play good passing football at times too.
I watched much of the Waddo era (starting in 1970) and would have to say the Hudson inspired team of 74 was AWESOME but after that this season is as good as it gets. The Durban era was good but more negative with less football played than now imo
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) style football, and neither do we play big boot footy either. We're a physical, direct side but with a fair bit of skill and quality too and it's the combination of the two that teams are struggling to deal with. We can score the route one goals from free kicks, corners etc, and equally we're capable of crafting quality goals too. Most teams in our league would kill to have quality like Fuller, Lawrence and Whelan in their sides.
