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Post by lancer on Feb 13, 2008 16:12:23 GMT
Due to the ever increasing and never improving delays on the South car park after games, isn't it time something was organised. I suggest that after games, all cars on the SOUTH car park be only allowed to turn left when exiting. These cars should not be allowed to go around the roundabout and back onto Sir Stans Way, but obliged to use the A50 to get where they're going. I know it might seem an inconvenience if you live in say, Blurton, having to . The cars on the OVERFLOW carpark, for want of a better name, should only be able to turn right, and then they could make their way around as well, again using the A34. if neccessary. This way all traffic would get away without crossing the other lanes, causing bloody annoying unwanted delays when people (understandibly) wont leave a gap when they get to an exit gate. At the momnent, as we all know, we just sit waiting, and most of the delay I think is caused by contrary traffic flows, each holding the other up. I realize odf cause that this might cause some work for the car park stweards, but at the moment, they ar about as useful as another hole in a colander.
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Post by ben88 on Feb 13, 2008 16:13:09 GMT
"going down south car park, gona have myself a time"
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Feb 13, 2008 16:15:01 GMT
Ben ;D
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 13, 2008 16:20:46 GMT
I posted this on another thread. Bloody stewards are crap!!!! "I parked on the trent carpark last night as i always do if i drive. I pay £5 for this so called hassle free parkin. I pulled on last night and was waved towards a space. As i was about to pull in i noticed that there was already 2 cars parked so if i had parked where he said the car in front of me would be there until i returned or the bloke in front of him did. There were a whole row of cars parked like it. I told the bloke they would be blocked in and his reply was "i know". At this i told him to get himself to spec savers and parked at the back. Thick fuckin stewards. Anyone on here get boxed in? And the car park wasn't full. "
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 13, 2008 16:25:15 GMT
I'd make two changes to the south carpark.
1. Mini roundabouts by both entrances/exits.
2. Make the exit nearest the stadium a left turn only on exit (towards the A50) and the exit furthest from the stadium a right turn only (towards Trentham). I bet that would halve the time taken to get out.
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Post by Stafford-Stokie on Feb 13, 2008 16:28:01 GMT
I agree fornside. The only prob with 1. is that we dont own the car park so it could be sold or us moved at any time.
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Post by lancer on Feb 13, 2008 16:41:20 GMT
More or less what I suggested, fornside. Time something was done because people get irate with others, and there is no doubt it wil come to more than griping at each other as people get more and more brassed off with it. And it per tains moreso now, now that we are hoping and excpecting to get bigger gates. Stafford Stokie. You may have a point long term, but surely for the time being, SCFC could get the okay for it. If we don't own it, we must be renting it. For Gods sake, it's only traffic control. Come on Scholsey, look into it!
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 13, 2008 16:46:23 GMT
If Stoke offered to pay for two mini roundabouts then it wouldn't cost the council anything (and the cost wouldn't be particularly high for the club either - mini roundabouts are some of the cheaper road management options)
PS - lancer it was your use of the words "overflow carpark" which confused me. To me it is all the South carpark. So our ideas are virtually identical.
Last night I walked the dog along Sir Stans way and in via the exits of the carpark - at least half the congestion is down to two streams of traffic leaving each entrance trying to cross to go either way up/down Sir Stan's way.
I think we should draw the attention of the club to this thread.
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Post by wardrobe monster on Feb 13, 2008 17:04:26 GMT
Or you get on an organised Coach, and avoid the need to worry, ooh off the top of my head I believe there is an excellent coach organised from The Florence on Lightwood Road...and its probably cheaper than parking on the south car park as well.
If only there was someone who knew of such excellent travel arrangements. (winkey thingy)
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Post by MarkWolstanton on Feb 13, 2008 17:28:32 GMT
Directly opposite the stadium on the other side of the A50 is a large expanse of derelict land.
It shouldn't be beyond the wit of man to build car parking facilities there and provide a subway under the A50 so that people could walk and emerge behind the Boothen End.
Given a link access in and off to the A50 this would remove a goodly amount of the issue for Stoke supporters trapped on Trentham Lakes because of the stupidity of housing the away supporters (who are given exit precedence) at the current exit end of the stadium for all vehicles.
Alternatively build the car parks as suggested, house away supporters at the current Boothen End of the ground and allocate that car park to them.
The council should assist in this matter as they were largely responsible for many of the faults we all suffer when there is more than a dozen people in the stadium.
As it stands I believe the stadium is operating on an safety certificate that is not valid due to it not providing the parking facilities stipulated.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 13, 2008 17:32:51 GMT
wardrobe monster - extend the coach route back to the Lake District and you'll certainly get my patronage.
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Post by wardrobe monster on Feb 13, 2008 18:15:13 GMT
I might need to bump the price up a bit.
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Post by JoeStoke on Feb 13, 2008 18:17:11 GMT
tht is a stupid suggestion, you are planning to tell all cars to tur left to the roundabout where everybody walks out off? with 3 other car parks all joinging to tht roundabout, plus power league and cricket club cars, oh ye im sure tht would clear things quicker?
All they have to do to make things move quicker is open up both sides of the road for turning left out of like they used to for half an hour after the game and the roads would be clear by tht time, simple solution!
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Post by ljane74 on Feb 13, 2008 18:30:51 GMT
Yes its a nightmare alright. People get irate at idiot drivers such as one in a fiat punto (burgundy colour) last night at the exit furthest away from the stadium. He almost side swiped the car to push in the queue in front of us. And it wasn't an accidental side swipe either. he certainly got the V's!!!! Just tried to push us over into the car to the left of us. If we had not got such a new car, i'd have been tempted to do the same back to him!!! (Good job i wasn't driving Would not have minded but there was no-one behind us so he could have quite easily got in there!!!
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Post by armitagestokie on Feb 13, 2008 19:07:42 GMT
Park and ride from Trentham
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Post by AlanHansen on Feb 13, 2008 19:14:26 GMT
Where from, that big make believe car park at Trentham?
CO
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Post by Not_Nick_H on Feb 13, 2008 20:35:37 GMT
I'd make two changes to the south carpark. 1. Mini roundabouts by both entrances/exits. 2. Make the exit nearest the stadium a left turn only on exit (towards the A50) and the exit furthest from the stadium a right turn only (towards Trentham). I bet that would halve the time taken to get out. Fornside - I've been banging on about Option 2. for years - up until the start of this season and the masterstroke that was selling that chunk of the South CP. Once that Audi garage was built and the top entrance road closed, that option was never going to happen. If the possible turns into the definite and we find ourselves in the Prem next season, then matches will become a nightmare. The club should be addressing the scenario right now by sitting down with the council and agreeing an arrangement to make SSM Way One way for a set period on match days as well as thrashing out a deal to take complete ownership of available land near to the Brit. Radio Stoke ran a piece this morning about how the commercial fortunes of the town of Wigan were boosted when Athletic were promoted to the Prem. Unlike Wigan, S-o-T already has some tourist heritage so the effect of promotion on the City could be even more significant. But it won't be with some of the short-sighted buffoons that seem to be in charge there. I mean - could they not attract anything more exciting than Car dealerships to the vicinity? And is anyone really going to go and get themselves embroiled in all that matchday traffic when they might be in the market for new car?! On the flipside, neither can I see anyone saying "See you later love, I'm off down the match. I'll pop in for an A3 and a couple VW Polos for the kids on the way back". FFS..... P.S. I left with 86 mins on the clock (as usual). At 10.20 , back at my dad's in Biddulph, I was just tucking into a Cheese Oatcake and mug of tea when Acres was asking for those still stuck on the CP's to honk their horns. Jesus wept. It shouldn't have to be like that.
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Post by Jimbo on Feb 13, 2008 21:12:01 GMT
Mark's purchasing more land idea is certainly one to be considered, although from the club's point of view they aren't going to want to pay a fortune for more land after just buying the Brit and the Mich. The underpass to such a car park would be brilliant, and relieve much pedestrian and vehicle congestion.
A two-lane exit from the south car park to Trentham is essential. I don't know why it was got rid of?
There's certainly enough wasteland on Trentham Lakes for the club to purchase if it was cost-effective for them. At £5 a car they could certainly make money in the long-run.
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Post by whalebfooked on Feb 13, 2008 21:24:51 GMT
well last night my dad who came from baldwins gate way parked on the south carpark, and me who didnt finish work till late parked on sainsburys in stoke.
Anyway after the match had finished we went our separate ways and i got home first even though i had to walk all the way into stoke.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 13, 2008 21:26:42 GMT
What holds the south car park up is the 2 exits off it and before the Audi farce was built there was 3.
But my opinion there should only be ONE?
Reasons being that the the 2 exits get congested and stop each others flow from going either left or right because cars are coming out and stop starting to let out traffic or wait to pull out if no one lets you out from the 2nd exit left or right depending which one you use which then stops the flow from one exit to another and beyond.
With one exit on and off from the south car park the flow from it after games would be a continued flow for people to go left or right without being held up to let people in,out and basically holding the flow up.
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Post by Cliffer on Feb 13, 2008 23:32:33 GMT
The solution has to be...more coaches organised from / to different areas of the city and surrounding areas. e.g. Stone: final whistle Sats 4.50pm, home by 5.45pm. More coaches will require a larger parking area...to be created as a result of fewer car parking spaces needed. 1 coach = 56 people. 56 people = 14 cars.
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Post by stantheman on Feb 14, 2008 0:10:09 GMT
Im not going to renew my south car park ticket next season. Probably park up in stoke town centre and catch the bus
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Feb 14, 2008 8:04:19 GMT
jarhead, my option 2 further up the thread is designed to solve exactly the problem you have outlined. Two exits with one dedictaed to traffic turning left and the other to traffic truning right would be the most efficient way for cars to get out of the carpark onto Sir Stan's Way.
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Post by mcf on Feb 14, 2008 8:29:35 GMT
the 2 way traffic on stan matthew's way just fucks it.
It should all be 1 way traffic out (steward aided) through Trentham for the south car parks and it would be clear within 20 mins.
Surely Pets at Home won't go out of business if the lorries wait just 20 mins.
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Post by AlanHansen on Feb 14, 2008 8:34:39 GMT
They used to close campbell road towards the Mich when we were last in the top flight.
I'm sure that they could close SM Way if they wanted to, i guess it's less inconvenience to the council/Police if they leave it open.
CO
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Post by adredandwhite on Feb 14, 2008 9:10:11 GMT
The issue is two way traffic and cars and lorries blocking the entrances. There should be a warning at the Trentham end of the Stan Way saying on a match day you will be delayed and then get the Stewards/ Police to stop the cars at the traffic lights (giving them a chance to turn around, bar going to work why would anyone need to go on the road).
Someone needs to sit down with Scholes, the law and the the council and sort it out
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Post by Deleted on Feb 14, 2008 9:25:32 GMT
Careful Merk, you'll upset the 'animal lovers'
;D
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Post by mcf on Feb 14, 2008 9:38:44 GMT
Fuck the Animal Loving Wankstains!
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Post by icelandpotter on Feb 14, 2008 10:19:44 GMT
Shall we all email the council then enquiries@stoke.gov.uk asking if they can do something about it?
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Post by eeebygum on Feb 14, 2008 10:36:38 GMT
The issue of access etc has been raised in the past I believe with the Club by the Fans Forum, and I think there are some shared frustrations, ie, the responses from the likes of the Highways Agency through to the police, bus companies, etc. The Radio Stoke article was interesting about the overall benefit brought by the success of the local football club. To me, it is the responsibility of the City Mayor, local politicians and agencies, along with the Club to sit down to address these problems - it is worth it to the city and its voting population! (Get down to your local councillor/MP!). My favourites; a one way slip road off the north car park on to the A50 to alleviate all the traffic having to go around the ground, an underpass to the Harvester, build another pedestrian bridge over the railway line to the incinerator where you could have buses, stewarded parking on all the available verges, and organised park and ride. Oh, and a touch of patience! Lets hope we keep the success to justify all of the suggestions!!
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