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Post by Inverness Stokie on Aug 5, 2009 12:44:52 GMT
The deal is dead, they wont come out publicly and say its completely dead until we have signed someone else they are just playing the game. ;D Off to work with a smile on my face
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Post by serpico on Aug 5, 2009 12:44:41 GMT
The deal is dead, they wont come out publicly and say its completely dead until we have signed someone else they are just playing the game. I agree, probably why dave has been saying "i cannot comment anymore on the ashton deal", probably because it's dead in the water.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 12:46:47 GMT
The deal is dead, they wont come out publicly and say its completely dead until we have signed someone else they are just playing the game. TP “We’ve got good news and bad news” Reporter “The bad news?” TP “The Ashton deal is dead” Reporter “The good news?” TP “I’ve been promoted to Regional Manager” Reporter “That’s not good news. That’s just bad news and irrelevant news” TP “I think promotion is generally regarded as good news”
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Post by garyhackett on Aug 5, 2009 12:46:44 GMT
The deal is dead, they wont come out publicly and say its completely dead until we have signed someone else they are just playing the game. I agree, probably why dave has been saying "i cannot comment anymore on the ashton deal", probably because it's dead in the water. Bang on mate
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Post by ashbournepotter on Aug 5, 2009 12:48:29 GMT
now we've ascertained that rigor mortis is setting in on the deal, can we give this thread the send off it deserves? ie to the shit bin?
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Post by fce on Aug 5, 2009 12:54:20 GMT
now we've ascertained that rigor mortis is setting in on the deal, can we give this thread the send off it deserves? ie to the shit bin? Agree bin the thread he's not coming
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 5, 2009 13:25:13 GMT
Everyone believed John Rudge as well when he said the deal wasn't dead on Radio Stoke AFTER davesviews had said the same on here. Well in your face girlfriend What?
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Post by Adster on Aug 5, 2009 13:34:34 GMT
i have a mate at work who is in the know with West Ham, ;D
we have offered ashton 20k per week, he is currently on 55k a week,
so DEAL DEAD ;D
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Post by Butters on Aug 5, 2009 13:48:59 GMT
The deal is dead, they wont come out publicly and say its completely dead until we have signed someone else they are just playing the game. TP “We’ve got good news and bad news” Reporter “The bad news?” TP “The Ashton deal is dead” Reporter “The good news?” TP “I’ve been promoted to Regional Manager” Reporter “That’s not good news. That’s just bad news and irrelevant news” TP “I think promotion is generally regarded as good news” Been watching the office recently WD? ;D
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Post by BiddulphStokie on Aug 5, 2009 13:50:48 GMT
i have a mate at work who is in the know with West Ham, ;D we have offered ashton 20k per week, he is currently on 55k a week, so DEAL DEAD ;D hes not worth more thank 20k a week if hes still injured why not give him a clause if he scores so many we will give him a wage increase?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 13:51:14 GMT
TP “We’ve got good news and bad news” Reporter “The bad news?” TP “The Ashton deal is dead” Reporter “The good news?” TP “I’ve been promoted to Regional Manager” Reporter “That’s not good news. That’s just bad news and irrelevant news” TP “I think promotion is generally regarded as good news” Been watching the office recently WD? ;D Not recently mate, no ;D
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Post by Beardy200 on Aug 5, 2009 13:53:47 GMT
i have a mate at work who is in the know with West Ham, ;D we have offered ashton 20k per week, he is currently on 55k a week, so DEAL DEAD ;D hes not worth more thank 20k a week if hes still injured why not give him a clause if he scores so many we will give him a wage increase? He's on 50-60 basic at West Ham. He'd REALLY want to come to Stoke to take that cut and who could blame him? I'm sure unless we hit about 35-40 basic then he wont even consider it and why would he?
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2009 13:59:11 GMT
hes not worth more thank 20k a week if hes still injured why not give him a clause if he scores so many we will give him a wage increase? He's on 50-60 basic at West Ham. He'd REALLY want to come to Stoke to take that cut and who could blame him? I'm sure unless we hit about 35-40 basic then he wont even consider it and why would he? You'd think that could've been established at an earlier point in this summer-long farce though, wouldn't you? Some time before we'd spent weeks trying to agree a price with West Ham perhaps? I'm sure we'd informally discussed personal terms with Ashton weeks/months ago and the figure that we offered to him would have come as no real surprise when the offer was formalised. I think there has to be a lot more to this than meets the eye.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 5, 2009 14:04:21 GMT
He's on 50-60 basic at West Ham. He'd REALLY want to come to Stoke to take that cut and who could blame him? I'm sure unless we hit about 35-40 basic then he wont even consider it and why would he? You'd think that could've been established at an earlier point in this summer-long farce though, wouldn't you? Some time before we'd spent weeks trying to agree a price with West Ham perhaps? I'm sure we'd informally discussed personal terms with Ashton weeks/months ago and the figure that we offered to him would have come as no real surprise when the offer was formalised. I think there has to be a lot more than this than meets the eye. Agree with pretty much all of that FM, although I wouldn't be surpised if it was something pretty simple, like due to other players having become available, we're pretty confident we wouldn't be putting as much risk on the money if we spent it elsewhere.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2009 14:07:14 GMT
You'd think that could've been established at an earlier point in this summer-long farce though, wouldn't you? Some time before we'd spent weeks trying to agree a price with West Ham perhaps? I'm sure we'd informally discussed personal terms with Ashton weeks/months ago and the figure that we offered to him would have come as no real surprise when the offer was formalised. I think there has to be a lot more than this than meets the eye. Agree with pretty much all of that FM, although I wouldn't be surpised if it was something pretty simple, like due to other players having become available, we're pretty confident we wouldn't be putting as much risk on the money if we spent it elsewhere. If Nugent was the alternative we plumped for, would that fit that hypothesis though?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 14:08:09 GMT
He's on 50-60 basic at West Ham. He'd REALLY want to come to Stoke to take that cut and who could blame him? I'm sure unless we hit about 35-40 basic then he wont even consider it and why would he? You'd think that could've been established at an earlier point in this summer-long farce though, wouldn't you? Some time before we'd spent weeks trying to agree a price with West Ham perhaps? I'm sure we'd informally discussed personal terms with Ashton weeks/months ago and the figure that we offered to him would have come as no real surprise when the offer was formalised. I think there has to be a lot more to this than meets the eye. Week 1 – Haggling with W Ham over price Week 2 – Continued haggling with W Ham, finally price agreed Week 3 – Initial talks with Ashton to see if he is interested, medical one booked Week 4 – Medical one carried out and passed. Medical 2 carried out Week 5 – Results back, Stoke renegotiate terms with W Ham based on medical results Week 6 – All transfer fees and add-ons finally agreed with W Ham Week 7 – “How much a week do you want Dean?” …… “Nothing less than 60k a week for me” Stoke pull plug
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Post by wagsastokie on Aug 5, 2009 14:11:55 GMT
You'd think that could've been established at an earlier point in this summer-long farce though, wouldn't you? Some time before we'd spent weeks trying to agree a price with West Ham perhaps? I'm sure we'd informally discussed personal terms with Ashton weeks/months ago and the figure that we offered to him would have come as no real surprise when the offer was formalised. I think there has to be a lot more to this than meets the eye. Week 1 – Haggling with W Ham over price Week 2 – Continued haggling with W Ham, finally price agreed Week 3 – Initial talks with Ashton to see if he is interested, medical one booked Week 4 – Medical one carried out and passed. Medical 2 carried out Week 5 – Results back, Stoke renegotiate terms with W Ham based on medical results Week 6 – All transfer fees and add-ons finally agreed with W Ham Week 7 – “How much a week do you want Dean?” …… “Nothing less than 60k a week for me” Stoke pull plug do you work with dv ?
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Post by stokecity4life on Aug 5, 2009 14:13:46 GMT
Its as simple as this chaps.
MIDFIELD is more important - lets move on.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 5, 2009 14:15:22 GMT
Agree with pretty much all of that FM, although I wouldn't be surpised if it was something pretty simple, like due to other players having become available, we're pretty confident we wouldn't be putting as much risk on the money if we spent it elsewhere. If Nugent was the alternative we plumped for, would that fit that hypothesis though? Just because the Nugent story is breaking today, it doesn't mean that that theory doesn't work. When we were apparently trying to get Bent last weekend it would have been a viable presumption. What's to say that Nugent (and say a) Zigic wont be sitting on the bench against Burnley? I thought you pretty much summed it up spot on in your original post FM, and then stopped short, right at the last sentence of naming the most likely reason for the interest cooling. As you said, we would have informally agreed terms with Ashton much earlier on, we've done the deal with West Ham, he had his medical, what other hypothesis is actually more plausible?
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Aug 5, 2009 14:41:26 GMT
hes not worth more thank 20k a week if hes still injured why not give him a clause if he scores so many we will give him a wage increase? He's on 50-60 basic at West Ham. He'd REALLY want to come to Stoke to take that cut and who could blame him? I'm sure unless we hit about 35-40 basic then he wont even consider it and why would he? exactly - ignore them chasing strikers left right and centre - if he can get fit then he can get into West Ham's side, it's not like he's going to be outcasted to the reserves if he stays put on his current wedge. If he backs himself to return to fitness and become old Deano then he'll reckon he can pull on the claret and blue again on a regular basis and come to the conclusion that he doesn't really need Stoke or our poxy wages.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2009 14:42:15 GMT
As you said, we would have informally agreed terms with Ashton much earlier on, we've done the deal with West Ham, he had his medical, what other hypothesis is actually more plausible? There isn't one. I'll be interested to see if Nugent is the only striker we sign though. Putting £12m+ down for Bent after finally losing patience with Ashton - and then spending £4m on Nugent is a major shift of transfer policy. As you say, Nugent and Zigic (for example), with Kitson on his bike, sounds good.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 5, 2009 14:44:56 GMT
Kits has looked impressive in pre-season.
I wouldn’t be jizzing everywhere to see Nugent come in and Kits go out.
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2009 14:53:14 GMT
Kits has looked impressive in pre-season. I wouldn’t be jizzing everywhere to see Nugent come in and Kits go out. I'd still be surprised if he was here in September though, WD. Although, if he really is a completely reformed man who is now genuinely happy to be here and that continues to show in his performances, I think we could more than get by with a 4 of Fuller, Beattie, Kitson and Nugent with Mama joining the fray in the Autumn. It all depends on how convinced Pulis is by this new Dave Kitson and whether he thinks he can fit into the role expected of him once the real stuff starts. It's all very well shining in matches played at 60% effort in pre-season I just think going from being prepared to put down £12m and break the bank for Bent to a cut-price gamble on Nugent seems a major policy shift and hints that our striker business may not necessarily be concluded with Nugent?
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Post by sgtpotter89 on Aug 5, 2009 15:10:58 GMT
Its as simple as this chaps. MIDFIELD is more important - lets move on. exactly. lets get Gary O'Neil before someone else does, he would be a cracking signing
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2009 15:37:04 GMT
As has been said, I wonder if there's any chance of this being designed to put the shits up Ashton and lead to a compromise.
Or is it just simply a reflection of us finally having moved on?
West Ham obviously don't want him and the accepted bid tells him that pretty clearly. He's already behind Cole, with another striker to come, to play in Zola's one-man striker formation.
I wonder if there's any chance Ashton might think 'sod this for a game of soldiers' and start looking at our offer with new eyes.
Or has it gone past that stage for us as well as him?
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Post by Mars on Aug 5, 2009 15:44:24 GMT
You'd think that could've been established at an earlier point in this summer-long farce though, wouldn't you? Some time before we'd spent weeks trying to agree a price with West Ham perhaps? I'm sure we'd informally discussed personal terms with Ashton weeks/months ago and the figure that we offered to him would have come as no real surprise when the offer was formalised. I think there has to be a lot more than this than meets the eye. Agree with pretty much all of that FM, although I wouldn't be surpised if it was something pretty simple, like due to other players having become available, we're pretty confident we wouldn't be putting as much risk on the money if we spent it elsewhere. That would appear to be the only logical interpretation of whats occured. The whole footballing world has been aware of his fitness issues for some time and it's hard to believe that new information has surfaced regarding this. Ergo, you would have to conclude that the emergence of Nugent (+ 1 more maybe) has finally spurred us to shift our focus towards a less risky alternative
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Post by cocknepott on Aug 5, 2009 16:22:38 GMT
or maybe deano watched a few dvd's of your games last season??? :-)
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Post by march4 on Aug 5, 2009 16:29:11 GMT
or maybe deano watched a few dvd's of your games last season??? :-) Any news from your end of the country as to what is going on here?
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Post by stokiepo on Aug 5, 2009 16:40:40 GMT
Its as simple as this chaps. MIDFIELD is more important - lets move on. Yes. Yes. Yes. Well said.
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Post by cocknepott on Aug 5, 2009 18:12:58 GMT
or maybe deano watched a few dvd's of your games last season??? :-) Any news from your end of the country as to what is going on here? nothing. as far as we are concerned the rumour has only come from stoke - no-one down here heard anything apart from him not being fit enough. i very much doubt that things got as far as some on here have said............ if that were the case then stoke would have known about his fitness/wages a long time ago. i am tempted to say that deano has been used by stoke city for some good publicity - i.e. make a very public approach knowing full well that a) west ham have to consider any realistic bids BUT b) stoke city could never match his wages. net result is a rumour that keeps the fans happy but a failure they can blame on ashtons fitness. thats my take anyway.
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