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Post by serpico on Aug 5, 2009 11:45:16 GMT
Radio Stoke have changed their tune now as well
"BBC Radio Stoke understands that Stoke City could start looking elsewhere for a striker despite agreeing a fee with West Ham for Dean Ashton.
It's thought the two clubs have agreed a fee of close to £6m, which could rise to £10m based on appearances.
Director of Football John Rudge told us last night that the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern. It's thought the 2 parties have been some way apart on the wages he would receive if he was to join....."www.bbc.co.uk/england/realmedia/radiostoke/rssport.ramwtf did Ashton expect ? surely even before entering into negotiations it was a given he'd have to at the very least take a 10k pay cut. what a complete waste of our summer .
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Post by cocknepott on Aug 5, 2009 11:45:33 GMT
but he passed a medical weeks ago didnt he??
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Post by hammerinpeace on Aug 5, 2009 11:45:58 GMT
The fitness issue isn't the problem, clearly Stoke knew about that from day one and the extent of it yet still chased Ashton. The problem is wages, if Stoke can't agree the wages maybe it's better for them to hide behind the injury doubts. As I said the other day it's all ok from West Hams end of the bargain. It's Ashtons wage demands which are the stumbling block.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Aug 5, 2009 11:46:58 GMT
Glad I only had a tenner on him coming here (unlucky Stan)
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Post by exiledstokie on Aug 5, 2009 11:47:10 GMT
Radio Stoke have changed their tune now as well
"BBC Radio Stoke understands that Stoke City could start looking elsewhere for a striker despite agreeing a fee with West Ham for Dean Ashton.
It's thought the two clubs have agreed a fee of close to £6m, which could rise to £10m based on appearances.
Director of Football John Rudge told us last night that the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern. It's thought the 2 parties have been some way apart on the wages he would receive if he was to join....."www.bbc.co.uk/england/realmedia/radiostoke/rssport.ramThis club is a fucking joke, surely somebody was able to find out the state of Ashtons fitness weeks ago. We've wasted 4 weeks chasing somebody only to decide after agreeing a fee to look elsewhere. Don't get me wrong, is its true that the injury is serious and theres doubt about his long term fitnesss then im glad we're moving on, we can't afford to spunk 6-10m and 50k per week up the wall on a player who will live on the treatment table, its just amazingly frustrating that we've wasted so long chasing him when we surely could have found out much sooner what state he was it?!?!?!? ???
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Post by cocknepott on Aug 5, 2009 11:49:44 GMT
something is amiss then isnt it??? stoke would have known his wage demands and the state of his ankle weeks ago.............
someone trying to get the price down maybe??
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 5, 2009 11:49:54 GMT
Radio Stoke have changed their tune now as well
"BBC Radio Stoke understands that Stoke City could start looking elsewhere for a striker despite agreeing a fee with West Ham for Dean Ashton.
It's thought the two clubs have agreed a fee of close to £6m, which could rise to £10m based on appearances.
Director of Football John Rudge told us last night that the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern. It's thought the 2 parties have been some way apart on the wages he would receive if he was to join....."www.bbc.co.uk/england/realmedia/radiostoke/rssport.ram Director of Football John Rudge told us last night that the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern. Doesn't sound like he's THAT injued to me! ;D
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Post by Stokie in Geordieland on Aug 5, 2009 11:50:04 GMT
Did I read that correctly...
"...the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern..."
;D
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Post by CillaBlacksPissFlaps on Aug 5, 2009 11:50:10 GMT
I'm still confident he'll sign for sure, obviously a couple of other deals of a higher priority than the Deano one at the minute as it's just a case of a few figures to be thrashed out in the contract for Ashton.
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Post by sgtpotter89 on Aug 5, 2009 11:50:50 GMT
Radio Stoke have changed their tune now as well
"BBC Radio Stoke understands that Stoke City could start looking elsewhere for a striker despite agreeing a fee with West Ham for Dean Ashton.
It's thought the two clubs have agreed a fee of close to £6m, which could rise to £10m based on appearances.
Director of Football John Rudge told us last night that the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern. It's thought the 2 parties have been some way apart on the wages he would receive if he was to join....."www.bbc.co.uk/england/realmedia/radiostoke/rssport.ram Director of Football John Rudge told us last night that the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern. Doesn't sound like he's THAT injued to me! ;D what's injued mean? ;D
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Post by dadofsam on Aug 5, 2009 11:50:58 GMT
I'm rapidly going off this whole transfer and if they're spinning Ashton as being unrealistic / greedy given his injury record then I'm buying it.
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Post by Mr Rottweiler on Aug 5, 2009 11:53:04 GMT
Forget about Zigic Murphy Bentley Dunne Mbia Crouch Bent Ashton!!!
At least there's only another three weeks of this shit.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 5, 2009 11:53:28 GMT
Director of Football John Rudge told us last night that the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern. Doesn't sound like he's THAT injued to me! ;D what's injued mean? ;D Apparently the injury didn't even keep out for the whole of last night!
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Post by cocknepott on Aug 5, 2009 11:54:45 GMT
paul did you go on a date with dean ashton last nite??
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2009 11:54:46 GMT
Something's well off. It's been rumbling on for 10-11 weeks.
You'd assume that we'd informally have told Ashton almost exactly the kind of figure we'd be able to offer him well before sitting down with your mate Duxbury and going through the laborious process of striking a deal with West Ham.
I can't believe the kind of figure we officially put to Ashton took him by surprise.
It's all as clear as mud unless subsequent medicals have shaken our confidence?
But, again, you'd have thought we'd have insisted on a detailed medical before we started negotiating a fee in this specific deal which centres around the prognosis on his ankle?
Oh...who cares. Bored of it now ;D
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Post by FullerMagic on Aug 5, 2009 11:56:46 GMT
Did I read that correctly... "...the ankle injury that kept him out for the majority of last night was a concern..." ;D I noticed that after I'd attempted to transcribe it - but thought 'sod it'. I'm too bored with this whole deal to edit it, even though it sounds ridiculous ;D
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Aug 5, 2009 11:57:07 GMT
The fitness issue isn't the problem, clearly Stoke knew about that from day one and the extent of it yet still chased Ashton. The problem is wages, if Stoke can't agree the wages maybe it's better for them to hide behind the injury doubts. As I said the other day it's all ok from West Hams end of the bargain. It's Ashtons wage demands which are the stumbling block. Exactly, this is the most plausible explanation, the injury talk is just to save face on our part. All the indications are that he wants too much dosh, and whilst i'm realistic about footballers' motivations when a player starts looking like a greedy bastard you start to question their commitment. Beattie is on £36k, you'd think we'd offer Ashton a minimum of that plus considerable bonus fees. He clearly isn't prepared to drop down in salary from west ham (£50k?) - in fairness to ashton it's not like he's not got every chance of breaking back into the XI at west ham if he does ever regain fitness, so perhaps that thinking is justified. Its a bit disappointing seeing as we were all led to believe he was proper keen on stoke, whcih clearly isn't quite the case, but his signing was always a gamble due to the injury issues. Time to move on to someone less talented but less risky I guess.
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Post by vestanpance on Aug 5, 2009 11:59:58 GMT
Some perspective;
* He won't be the only central forward we're in for
* His fitness is a massive concern. He's been out for 18 months and he's not a slender chap. That's got to concern anyone when thinking about an ankle injury.
* Stoke City haven't been provaricating. It's not Stoke's, Ashton's or anyone elsen's fault that Ashton being a target became public knowledge some time ago.
* I saw Dave Kitson at Derby. He didn't look like last year's version. Other areas require as much of not more attention that our forwards, and certainly require more finance than £10 million on someone who hasn't played for a very long time who has never been what you'd call svelte. Kitosn could potentially save us a fortune.
Just a flip side of the coin gents...
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Post by thaihammer on Aug 5, 2009 12:03:06 GMT
...theres a rumour that you guys are looking to sign dean ashton from us??...
just wondering if any ITKs can shed any light
thx
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Aug 5, 2009 12:03:21 GMT
I agree with others on here, I think it's more to do with money and contract negotiations, than medical matters.
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Post by bogus on Aug 5, 2009 12:03:34 GMT
I reckon it's just a case of Stoke and Ashton playing hard ball over the wages. From his point of view, no rush, he's already earning, he can afford to wait what his full options are. From our point of view, no rush, we have Beattie and Fuller as starters from last season and the Ginga Ninja showing a bit of form. It has all the makings of a Berbatov to ManU this one. ie it could well go on until the final day You'd better bang a few goals in, Deano...................if you do eventually sign.
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Post by garyhackett on Aug 5, 2009 12:06:29 GMT
Looks like my wager with MC is safe.
Come on chaps this deal was never going to happen i have been saying it for weeks, he isnt fit enough for any club to take a gamble on him right now if he was there would have been many clubs bigger than us that would have taken him but they are not interested.
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Post by stokecityscott on Aug 5, 2009 12:22:53 GMT
Come on chaps, give TP and PC time to sort this one out properly. They’ve only had around 6 weeks so far. Cut them a bit of slack. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Post by stokecityscott on Aug 5, 2009 12:30:05 GMT
I said yesterday the deal was dead by Rudge, daveviews said it wasn't, and everyone believed him.
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Post by Danstoke82 on Aug 5, 2009 12:31:29 GMT
Shit, so after all this waiting, which even by Stoke's standards has been a bloody long time, the deal is now off?!?
FFS!
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Post by serpico on Aug 5, 2009 12:32:45 GMT
I said yesterday the deal was dead by Rudge, daveviews said it wasn't, and everyone believed him. Rudge was on radio stoke saying it was still possible ???
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Post by stokecityscott on Aug 5, 2009 12:34:42 GMT
I said yesterday the deal was dead by Rudge, daveviews said it wasn't, and everyone believed him. Rudge was on radio stoke saying it was still possible ??? Maybe he was, to keep a few happy, i was told differently by him.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Aug 5, 2009 12:34:44 GMT
I said yesterday the deal was dead by Rudge, daveviews said it wasn't, and everyone believed him. Everyone believed John Rudge as well when he said the deal wasn't dead on Radio Stoke AFTER davesviews had said the same on here.
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Post by stokecityscott on Aug 5, 2009 12:39:06 GMT
I said yesterday the deal was dead by Rudge, daveviews said it wasn't, and everyone believed him. Everyone believed John Rudge as well when he said the deal wasn't dead on Radio Stoke AFTER davesviews had said the same on here. Well in your face girlfriend
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Post by garyhackett on Aug 5, 2009 12:43:16 GMT
The deal is dead, they wont come out publicly and say its completely dead until we have signed someone else they are just playing the game.
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