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Post by knowles on May 13, 2009 12:11:05 GMT
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Post by Alvechurch Assassin on May 13, 2009 12:16:28 GMT
It is undeniably an incredible collapse - just shows you that the 5-0 thrashing Wigan gave them early doors was the real indicator of how good a side they actually were.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 13, 2009 12:39:32 GMT
I actually find the Hull demise quite sad and obviously without ever earlier in the season wanting their situation to compromise our status as a Premier league club, I didn't and still don't wish the club and it's fans any harm at all. Put yourself in their place and in a sense there is a parallel of rising from obscurity (in our case, near obscurity) and then almost in the wink of an eye reaching the dizzy heights of top 6 in the Premier League. I think we might have become a bit ecstatic and carried away with it all ourselves and we might even have believed at the time, that in a certain Phil Brown we had a real messiah. Of course, none of us believed it could last, did we  , but their fall from grace has been truly amazing and a classic case of foot shooting mostly caused by the sun kissed messiah himself and a combination of sheer bad luck, previous good fortune running out, inactivity and then rank bad judgment in the transfer market. I hope Hull do survive at the expense of the loud mouth's from the north east and who knows - they still might! |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on May 13, 2009 12:45:32 GMT
I suppose my ideal scenario would be for Hull to survive and for Phil Brown to get the sack. Sadly, I am likely to be disappointed on both counts.  |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on May 13, 2009 12:53:53 GMT
I suppose my ideal scenario would be for Hull to survive and for Phil Brown to get the sack. Sadly, I am likely to be disappointed on both counts. Surely, Paul Duffen the Hull City chairman HAS to sack him!! |
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2009 12:56:59 GMT
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Post by caliban on May 13, 2009 12:57:40 GMT
It is undeniably an incredible collapse - Thats an understatement, they made the Hindenberg crash & burn look like a bad landing. |
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Post by northstokie on May 13, 2009 13:09:00 GMT
Quote from the Hull Chairman says it all..
""We've lost our mojo a bit since the turn of the year but I don't think it reflects on the performances."
What a cock...
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Post by fradleyhomes on May 13, 2009 13:13:36 GMT
Mojo? Christ they have lost the plot!
The problem is everyone at their club including Duffin and Tango believed their own hype, and subsequently they have been taught a major lesson. I hope they go down, and learn some respect and dignity.
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Post by Northy on May 13, 2009 13:14:42 GMT
what's the one about David Blaine upset about Hull breaking his record of 48 days without doing anything in a box?
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Post by FullerMagic on May 13, 2009 13:51:38 GMT
  Duff and Tango. What a pair they make. |
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Post by lancer on May 13, 2009 14:15:20 GMT
I actually find the Hull demise quite sad and obviously without ever earlier in the season wanting their situation to compromise our status as a Premier league club, I didn't and still don't wish the club and it's fans any harm at all. Put yourself in their place and in a sense there is a parallel of rising from obscurity (in our case, near obscurity) and then almost in the wink of an eye reaching the dizzy heights of top 6 in the Premier League. I think we might have become a bit ecstatic and carried away with it all ourselves and we might even have believed at the time, that in a certain Phil Brown we had a real messiah. Of course, none of us believed it could last, did we , but their fall from grace has been truly amazing and a classic case of foot shooting mostly caused by the sun kissed messiah himself and a combination of sheer bad luck, previous good fortune running out, inactivity and then rank bad judgment in the transfer market. I hope Hull do survive at the expense of the loud mouth's from the north east and who knows - they still might! More or less the way I fel about HUul, t-o-y. I shall be sorry to see them go down if they do go down. Would much prefer to see Toon, and A.N, Others go down. Pity about the Baggies too. It's good for the game for others to be in the big wallet league. With so much money unfairly slopped into the top trough, football in general is in danger of imploding, and eventually we'll all be the losers.  |
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Post by march4 on May 13, 2009 15:29:42 GMT
Nothing new in 'doing a Hull'.
It could just as easily be called 'doing a Carlisle'
or even 'doing a Northampton'
Lower league clubs have arrived in the top division to a great fanfare before and made a good start, only for reality to bite and relegation at the end.
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Post by Davef on May 13, 2009 16:52:47 GMT
Though both clubs made a good start to their seasons in Divisin One, both Northampton and Carlise were in the relegation zone before Christmas during their seasons in the top flight. Hull were on 27 points at Christmas, and in reality probably only needed another ten points from 19 games. Their collapse has been an absolute calamity. And throughly entertaining.  |
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on May 13, 2009 17:02:53 GMT
It is undeniably an incredible collapse - Thats an understatement, they made the Hindenberg crash & burn look like a bad landing. Oh the humanity!!! |
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Post by Irish Stokie on May 13, 2009 17:06:41 GMT
Its the Story of one man and his ego. Its widely taught that the fiasco of the half time team talk against Citeh completely lost him the dressing room and they havent recovered. He managed a club in a way that got him as much media exposure as possible at the expense of what was right for the club. A wanker of the highest order IMO
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Post by crimesy on May 13, 2009 17:25:17 GMT
And to think, they had serious thoughts on aiming for Europe. ;D
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Post by JoeinOz on May 14, 2009 3:13:08 GMT
I generally prefer to look at the players as too often they pampered and don't take responsibility for what happens. BUT Hull's collapse is bad managing. Brown should have been boring and droned on about 40 points as opposed to whoring himself around the media circuit.
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Post by Rich Haynes on May 15, 2009 3:51:34 GMT
what's the one about David Blaine upset about Hull breaking his record of 48 days without doing anything in a box? thats class  |
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Post by biddulphchav on May 15, 2009 3:57:18 GMT
They definitely believed their own hype - they made shit signings in the January window and Brown started bring attention to the club (while promoting himself) for all the wrong reasons. What he has done is a first class example of how not to manage a club just promoted to the Premier League.
With a limited playing sqaud you have to take the pressure OFF your players, keeping things low key and grinding out results - which is exactly what TP has done. Coppell is a similar character, even though he takes a more attacking approach.
The whole thing with the team talk on the pitch, followed by the Fabregas thing, as well as the Bullard injury which they handled very badly from start to finish - just shows you that the clown that is Phil Brown is not cut out for management at the highest level.
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Post by trigger on May 15, 2009 9:43:39 GMT
mojo..what exactly does that mean,thought it was a small chewy sweet type thing.
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Post by thestatusquo on May 15, 2009 12:10:16 GMT
Lol Trigger !!
I think it's a case of the EGO has landed. Crash landed !! Pride all ways comes before a fall.
SQ
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Post by stan on May 15, 2009 12:24:03 GMT
Brown's half-time antics at Man. City showed him up for the utter cunt that he is, but the slide was well underway by then. They were already on a bad run and, in the game before shipping four in a half at Eastlands, they had been beasted at home 4-1 by Sunderland.
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Post by Northy on May 15, 2009 12:42:02 GMT
taken from a coaching session I subscribe to, : -
You won't win if you humiliate your players
By David Clarke
I was at an U17s game this weekend and boy the air was blue. Everyone was shouting and it seemed to me no one was having a particularly good time.
At half time the coach I was watching just shouted at his players. I cannot believe anyone benefits from actions like this. Humiliating players in front of their team mates is totally wrong and cannot have the positive effect the team needs.
We all feel like shouting sometimes and we all feel frustrated but we must not pass this onto our players because all it will do is frighten them and leave them feeling bad about themselves - which is against everything we believe in and aim to achieve.
In the English Premier League the Hull manager Phil Brown was someone I had a lot of time for until he kept his players out on the pitch and humiliated them with a half time team talk in front of the crowd.
4-0 down at half time he felt it was a positive thing to take his team in front of their own supporters and give them a dressing down. 4-0 became 5-1 but the rest of the season has been a shambles for Hull - I wonder why.
I can remember being 4-0 down playing away from home. We won 6-5. There was no shouting or humiliating at half time - in fact we all had a smile at the blatant penalty we were not given. We felt good about each other and the slope of the pitch and the wind was in our favour in the second half. Be positive not negative when you talk to your players.
If you go to my blog you can see a clip of Phil giving his Hull team a dressing down on the pitch in front of the team's fans - you can see him applauding the fans but not the players.
I wonder if he regrets it now?
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Post by Not_Nick_H on May 15, 2009 13:16:05 GMT
taken from a coaching session I subscribe to, : - You won't win if you humiliate your players
By David Clarke
I was at an U17s game this weekend and boy the air was blue. Everyone was shouting and it seemed to me no one was having a particularly good time.
At half time the coach I was watching just shouted at his players. I cannot believe anyone benefits from actions like this. Humiliating players in front of their team mates is totally wrong and cannot have the positive effect the team needs.
We all feel like shouting sometimes and we all feel frustrated but we must not pass this onto our players because all it will do is frighten them and leave them feeling bad about themselves - which is against everything we believe in and aim to achieve.
In the English Premier League the Hull manager Phil Brown was someone I had a lot of time for until he kept his players out on the pitch and humiliated them with a half time team talk in front of the crowd.
4-0 down at half time he felt it was a positive thing to take his team in front of their own supporters and give them a dressing down. 4-0 became 5-1 but the rest of the season has been a shambles for Hull - I wonder why.
I can remember being 4-0 down playing away from home. We won 6-5. There was no shouting or humiliating at half time - in fact we all had a smile at the blatant penalty we were not given. We felt good about each other and the slope of the pitch and the wind was in our favour in the second half. Be positive not negative when you talk to your players.
If you go to my blog you can see a clip of Phil giving his Hull team a dressing down on the pitch in front of the team's fans - you can see him applauding the fans but not the players.
I wonder if he regrets it now?I'm quite fascinated by the psychology of football management and what goes on behind the dressing room door northwhich - surely there are times when players get rollocked (as a team), it can't all be touchy-feelie, arm-round the shoulder can it? Often at matches when the opposition comes out after half time and clearly has upped their game, I say "Christ they must have had a blasting at half time". What about the fearsome reputation of Fergie and the "Hairdryer"? Why does it work for him and not Brown? Is it purely the "behind closed doors" approach compared to Brown's disastrous "transparent management technique" seen at the Citeh game? |
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Post by Northy on May 15, 2009 13:42:17 GMT
well as i di under 18's and they are classed as minors, we aren't allowed to to the arm around the shoulder Me and my assistant are mild mannered and we always do the, that first half has gone let's start agin at 0-0 if the lads have had a poor half. One game this season we played away at the team who were top of the league at the time, I only had 13 players and come half time we were 1-0 up, our 2 centre halves came running over and were exasperated saying " we can't cope with that big centre forward" my reply was, well as they haven't scored don't cope with him again during the 2nd half ;D well they took me for my word and he scored 2, but so did we and won 3-2 ;D You never know what goes on in a footballers head  However if the first half lacks effort and not just getting beaten by a better team then we ask themselves how they think they played, what can they do to up the anti and give em the "going over the top" speech and say they've got 5 minutes or they will be subbed. A few years ago when they were a bit lacklustre during one game we sent them for a jog twice round the pitch after the game, we had complants from some parents  |
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Post by Not_Nick_H on May 15, 2009 14:11:58 GMT
You never know what goes on in a footballers head "What video game can I copy to celebrate the next goal" ;D So some parents don't subscribe to the "arrrd work" school of coaching?  There is no hope is there? |
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, but their fall from grace has been truly amazing and a classic case of foot shooting mostly caused by the sun kissed messiah himself and a combination of sheer bad luck, previous good fortune running out, inactivity and then rank bad judgment in the transfer market.
There is no hope is there?
