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Post by stokeunited on Mar 26, 2009 18:43:08 GMT
since following the Stoke in the prem this season and seeing us grind out results through raw grit and guts I've become more pi55ed off wiv our international moaning mega bucks prima donners. I m not too bothered about the intertnationals at the moment, certainly not until I see some heart like our boys do every other week.
Are you still looking forward to the internationals?
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Post by ST1 Stokie on Mar 26, 2009 18:48:33 GMT
Yep,Im English thru and thru,and i'll be at Wembley on Sat...... I STILL BELIEVE(dunno why tho).
GGGGOOOOOAAAARRRRNNNN ENGLAND
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Post by Janet in ST5 on Mar 26, 2009 18:56:44 GMT
I used to look forward to the internationals, but don't now. Prima donnas, mardy arses, no pride in the shirt of what they've achieved. So if they can make an effort, why should I?
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Post by magicmanfuller on Mar 26, 2009 19:00:13 GMT
im not bothered at all how we get on. all they are bothered about is their pay cheque. we are an average team with over rated players. all i see international week as is a week without premiership :-(
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Post by whelan_6 on Mar 26, 2009 19:00:28 GMT
i used to follow england regular,went to a few tournaments. dont bother now,would rather waste my money following stoke!
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Post by Linx on Mar 26, 2009 19:07:56 GMT
I've 'turned' as such, but pehaps not in the direction you suggest.
When Capello was appointed I was against it. Although we had been as crap as usual under the latest English manager, and my enthusiam for international football had hit an all-time low, I still felt that an aspirant 'top ten in the world team' like England should have stuck with an English (or at least British) manager, and that a foreign manager was a 'quick fix solution' that would not resolve the deep inadequacies in English football coaching. We'd take some blows in the medium term for sure but, like France in the 1990s, we should have gone for a root and branch solution and gone for a long-term strategy.
But seeing England win consistently, and put bogey teams like Croatia to the sword, has changed my mind ;D.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 26, 2009 19:14:15 GMT
Internationals are less relevant now than they have ever been. I don't even bother watching anymore.
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 26, 2009 19:16:35 GMT
great post SU! your talking sense for a change and not gettin slated!
I totally agree, i genuinely couldnt tell you who the games are this next week or so, if they are on normal telly, i would watch them as a point of interest but if Mr Capello thinks i want to cheer that dirty cheat Rooney et al on then he has another thing coming!
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Post by jacka118 on Mar 26, 2009 20:05:45 GMT
great post SU! your talking sense for a change and not gettin slated! I totally agree, i genuinely couldnt tell you who the games are this next week or so, if they are on normal telly, i would watch them as a point of interest but if Mr Capello thinks i want to cheer that dirty cheat Rooney et al on then he has another thing coming! haha but tbf capello did call rooney crazy
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Post by werrington on Mar 26, 2009 20:35:30 GMT
I love watching England almost as much as Stoke..Dont watch if it pisses you off!!....simple really :-
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Post by PenkhullStokie on Mar 26, 2009 21:01:46 GMT
i love england still , always have
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Post by sbstoke66 on Mar 26, 2009 21:11:54 GMT
Not as keenly as I used to - but:-
C'mon england!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by eddy_under_fire'sviews on Mar 26, 2009 21:14:34 GMT
i'm slightly more interested in england since capello took over. he seems to be doing the job in the right way. by stating that players don't pick themselves, fucking off the WAGS, making sure that the players aren't faking injury by having his own medical staff look at the squad... he's making these players want to play for england again. and if they don't perform for their club they some youth who is gets their place. quite admirable. its the way it should be done.
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Post by starkiller on Mar 26, 2009 21:16:26 GMT
i love england still , always have Same here. Just not bothered about the football team though. And this doesn't stop me being English.
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Post by werrington on Mar 26, 2009 21:22:29 GMT
Out of interest how can people turn on and off their support for England???...They would be slaughtered if they did it for their club ....thick and thin and all that
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 26, 2009 21:25:46 GMT
International football has, to some extent, gone the same way as the Premier League. by that I mean a lesser value has been placed on the importance of certain national sides and the more minor competitions that used to be watched by millions. I'm thinking mainly of the 'Home International' Championship that used to be full of excitement every year to most of us. It really mattered if we beat Scotland/Wales/N. Ireland but we now can't be bothered to play the likes of them unless we have to. They were also a great opportunity to 'blood' our younger players in big atmospheres in games where you knew that the opposition would do their damndest to beat you. I guess the problem is that the football fixture list has just become so conjested that we would be getting third choice teams taking part for the hell of it today.
But I do miss them. Probably just showing my age!
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Post by StatesideStokie on Mar 27, 2009 0:44:22 GMT
As frustrating as Engald can be, anyone who can switch their support on and off is a glory hunting cunter of the highest order IMO.
Get behind the team, the same way you would get behind Stoke regardless of how bad they have been. By all means you can express your opinions and be critical of players and performance, but to give up on a team you have probably "supported" since childhood is fucking shamefull.
Like Werrington said, if you were talking about Stoke in the same way, you would be slughtered without a shadow of a doubt.
Rant over ;D
I'm not surprised by the original posters attitude, as he openly admits to being a shit fan and only having any interest in Stoke once they hit the big time, but I'm surprised at the amount of people who have the same attitude.
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 27, 2009 1:00:01 GMT
Stateside:
Problem is mate Club managers look upon Internationals as an unwelcome inconvenience and players are playing on so many fronts these days that some of them play as if England is an afterthought. For a few years now, some of our 'world class' players have played like donkeys against such world renown teams as Trinidad and Columbia. Players have been accused of lacking passion and it's not difficult to see why. They can 'get themselves up' for a league game against Middlesbrough but can't perform well enough to even qualify for the Euros.
Little wonder many have lost interest. Personally, I'll always want England to win but I understand those who express the opinion that over-paid, pampered players who think they own the world have, on occasions, not been worthy of the amazing support that always follows England.
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Post by kiwi on Mar 27, 2009 1:21:17 GMT
stoke tattoo on 1 arm england on t,other 1 so i,m stoke AND england till i die. players come and go, your team, local or national should always be in your heart. rooney and co will be gone before you know it, so will you then decide to be bothered!?
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 27, 2009 1:29:46 GMT
I AM bothered Kiwi and always have been but I understand why many have become a little disillusioned with International football when our own Premier League managers treat it as a joke (ala Harry/Fergy etc etc).
I think that most of the frustration comes from not qualifying for the Euros and KNOWING that they lazy, undermotivated fuckers should have done. Yes they come and go and all is forgiven when we then thrash Croatia. It's the fickle nature of the football fan throughout the world.
Fear not, even the worst of the moaners gets behind them when push comes to shove. You only have to look at the hysteria when the WC comes around. I honestly think that, even those who have said they're not that bothered any more, will be chewing their nails with the rest of us.
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Post by kiwi on Mar 27, 2009 1:39:52 GMT
I honestly think that, even those who have said they're not that bothered any more, will be chewing their nails with the rest of us. thats who my comments were aimed at mate, your post just happened be 1 above mine ;D
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 27, 2009 1:44:27 GMT
No Probs mate. I think somewher deep down we all desperately want England to do well.
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Post by OldStokie on Mar 27, 2009 7:43:57 GMT
England football now is like The Prem, a commodity. Once they stopped showing it on the free to view channels, I stopped watching. Of course I hope we do well, but when they sold my own national team to Sky etc, that was the moment my support began to wane. Like dozintheseventees says, in the days when we had the home internationals, it was brilliant stuff. And EVERYONE was able to watch them. There are some things more important than being a cash cow and the national side should be one of them.
OS.
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Post by cantspellwontspell on Mar 27, 2009 7:47:20 GMT
Bet if a Stoke player was called up for England you would suddenly become interested.
I onna fussed by Friendlies at all, but competative games different matter, although the over paid prima dons have pushed my patience down the years
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Post by ersaurebot 1, 000, 000 views on Mar 27, 2009 9:01:41 GMT
i agree that the England team will be there when Rooney and Co are gone - fair point - but my stance is not regarding poor performance, i can accept that.
Its the attitudes these players bring to the Brit that i cant take, its just not the way i remember football and not the example i want my kids to see whenthey are old enough to take notice.
If a Stoke player showed the same attitude that some of our England players show i would be the first to moan and email the club. Stoke CIty id about hard work and honesty, thats why im proud to be a stokie. If you think im proud to cheer on England with the way they represent themselves then your wrong.
I hope when Rooney, Rio and cashley cole arechasing after and surrounding a ref for no apparant reason on saturday your very proud
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Post by lancer on Mar 27, 2009 9:33:05 GMT
When the FA farm out our international games to the highest bidder, depriving Englishmen the right to watch their team on terrestial TV, instead of paying though the nose to watch it on Sky, they show how much interest thay have in us, the supporters. I will show them the same consideration, and not watch them. They are as has already been said, only a bunch of moaning prima donnas anyway, and not that good to watch most of the time.
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Post by stokeunited on Mar 27, 2009 12:07:31 GMT
as you know i'm a united as well as a stoke fan and watching rooney at the weekend getting angry showed me that he cares. surely you want that kind of spirit in the england team but not the petulance he showed by punching the flag
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Post by Deleted on Mar 27, 2009 12:09:33 GMT
as you know i'm a united as well as a stoke fan and watching rooney at the weekend getting angry showed me that he cares. surely you want that kind of spirit in the england team but not the petulance he showed by punching the flag It also shows that, quality player though he is, he's a petualnt manchild who can't stand not getting his own way and thinks he's above the law.
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Post by barmystokie1 on Mar 27, 2009 14:59:11 GMT
I like most others have been disinterested with England after recent years with management not up to scratch who look upon the england players as their friends and some sort of gods.
HOWEVER I truly belive that England under the guidance of the mercyless Capello are on the up and whether they will improve enough come 2010 is anybody's guess. I for one will support them through thick and thin and those people who say they are English and don't follow the team I'm sure will be basking in the heat next summer if England are in the semi-finals and could potentially do what we all dearly would love!!!!
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Post by stokeunited on Mar 27, 2009 20:57:40 GMT
if ronaldo was English would we like him better? I'd love it if he were one of us- I'd certainly watch England more then. He'd give us the x factor.
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