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Post by salopstick on Mar 25, 2009 15:13:57 GMT
sounds silly i know but paul scholes intentionally stopped a certain goal with his hands and was correctly sent off.
if van der sar had saves the resulting penalty we may have seen a different and unjust imo result.
should the laws of the game be changed so that penalty goals be awarded by the referee for SOME deliberate hand balls and fouls in the box that prevent 100% CERTAIN goals.
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Post by Stokie-Jiggz on Mar 25, 2009 15:18:03 GMT
Would be a good idea but for some fouls e.t.c it would cause even more controversey!!
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Post by markscfc72 on Mar 25, 2009 15:19:29 GMT
my opinion would be that should the penalty be scored the man stays on if it is saved he gets sent off, i think it is a bit too much punishment in any incident of last man or handball on the line to have both a pen (usually a goal) plus reduced to 10 men
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 25, 2009 15:25:42 GMT
my opinion would be that should the penalty be scored the man stays on if it is saved he gets sent off, i think it is a bit too much punishment in any incident of last man or handball on the line to have both a pen (usually a goal) plus reduced to 10 men That'd be pretty harsh on the goalie Mark. If he makes the save then he in effect get his team mate sent off? If you're going to make this suggestion, wouldn't it be better to just award the goal and not even consider sending the man off at all? Though I do agree that a penalty AND a red card does at times seem extremely harsh. |
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 25, 2009 15:27:36 GMT
What gets on my tits is WHY people have to mess around with the rules of sport. There is NOTHING wrong with football except the offside rule. Get it back to what it was, improve the standards of the refs and everything will be great.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 25, 2009 15:30:29 GMT
What gets on my tits is WHY people have to mess around with the rules of sport. There is NOTHING wrong with football except the offside rule. Get it back to what it was, improve the standards of the refs and everything will be great. How would you change the off side rule Pugs? |
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 25, 2009 15:35:09 GMT
It was fine how it was - if you are offside when the ball is kicked forward you are offside. All this ambiguity about interfering with play, second phase etc is a crock of shit.
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Post by ben88 on Mar 25, 2009 15:35:48 GMT
didn't that appen in a cup or playoff final in the 90's?
not the goal given, but a red card, resulting penatly missed, and then the team with 10 men won?
i might be chatting shit but im sure i can remember it
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Post by salopstick on Mar 25, 2009 15:40:29 GMT
didn't that appen in a cup or playoff final in the 90's? not the goal given, but a red card, resulting penatly missed, and then the team with 10 men won? i might be chatting shit but im sure i can remember it dunna know mate but that scenario could have happened at craven cottage this week if penalty goals were given it may have meant that cheat schoales would have thought twice as it stands for blatant intential cheating he should have a 5 game ban at least for what he did. just like shirt pulling these actions will be replicated on a school yard near you |
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Post by swanster on Mar 25, 2009 16:03:21 GMT
Bit harsh Salop - what Scholes did was an automatic reaction and he got what he deserved.
Did Danny Pugh intentionally cheat on the line at Sunderland?
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Mar 25, 2009 16:09:08 GMT
They do something similar in Rugby Union with penalty tries. Personally, for fouls within the area which prevent a certain goal I'd like to see a penalty goal awarded with just a yellow card for the guilty player. The guilty player should only get a straight red if the foul would warrant a red if it was anywhere else on the pitch. If there is doubt about whether a goal was certain then a penalty kick should be taken as usual.
PS - I agree that the old offside rule (ie was the player in an offside position when the ball was kicked) was much fairer and less open to weird interpretation by refs. So I'd go back to the old rule - but I wouldn't have any of this "played on" bollox - if a player on the attacking side was offside when the ball was kicked then he remains offside even if the ball then hits a defender.
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Post by stokiemac on Mar 25, 2009 16:09:52 GMT
it will fall down on the argument of whether it was going in. we know the paul shcholes one was but in some cases there are arguments for other defenders, hitting the post etc the actual incident would be so quick would anyone take note of whether it was a "definate" goal
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 25, 2009 16:10:48 GMT
Don't send him off, give a penalty and if it's scored it counts as two goals.
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Post by grayscfc on Mar 25, 2009 16:16:56 GMT
Don't send him off, give a penalty and if it's scored it counts as two goals. that`d be too unfair as most `handball` incidents are purely instinctive. give the penalty player goes whatever. |
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 25, 2009 16:21:13 GMT
He knew exactly what he was doing imo. My suggestion would remove the temptation to cheat.
Sendings off potentially ruin games and this is not about 'most' handball incidents gray.
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Post by grayscfc on Mar 25, 2009 16:27:12 GMT
He knew exactly what he was doing imo. My suggestion would remove the temptation to cheat. Sendings off potentially ruin games and this is not about 'most' handball incidents gray. i get you mate, i just think that hanballs on the line are usually an instinctive thing, i played in defence for 15 years & have been culpable to such & usually my arm would fly out instinctivly. but as for scholes, your`e dead right, he jumped up at it & used BOTH hands. |
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 25, 2009 16:51:32 GMT
Likewise, I know what you mean gray, but for these definite (in as much as they can be) situations it might make people think twice and move their arms out of the way.
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Post by Staffsoatcake on Mar 25, 2009 17:39:15 GMT
Where the Shit are concerned,I would award the goal + send the player off & fine Fergie £10million if he moans about it. ;D
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Post by jbstokie on Mar 25, 2009 17:42:58 GMT
deliberate hand balls and fouls in the box that prevent 100% CERTAIN goals. No chance will be a 100% CERTAIN goal |
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Post by salopstick on Mar 25, 2009 17:48:53 GMT
Bit harsh Salop - what Scholes did was an automatic reaction and he got what he deserved. Did Danny Pugh intentionally cheat on the line at Sunderland? it may have been automatic but he stopped a certain goal and gave van der sar the oppo to save a penalty |
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Post by wembley4372 on Mar 25, 2009 17:50:12 GMT
deliberate hand balls and fouls in the box that prevent 100% CERTAIN goals. No chance will be a 100% CERTAIN goal Nobody is talking about 'chances' jb |
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Post by Tubes on Mar 25, 2009 17:58:44 GMT
I'm definitely of the "if it aint broke don't fix it" school. As a defender, you know that catching the ball on the line and preventing a certain goal will mean that your going to get sent off. Ditto if your the last man and you scythe someone down.
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Post by jacka118 on Mar 25, 2009 18:05:24 GMT
No, the sending off should be enough...if the keeper saves the penalty then its down to how good the keeper is...or how rubbish the taker is in a certain Sylvan Ebanks Blakes case  |
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