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Post by walrus on Mar 22, 2009 19:25:38 GMT
I was telling a mate how I think that Shawcross will play for England one day, as seems to be the view of a lot of people on here, and he came back saying all of the following are better:
Rio Ferdinand
Wes Brown
John Terry
Michael Mancienne
Jamie Carragher (if he unretired from international football)
Curtis Davies
Zat Knight
Phil Jagielka
Joleon Lescott
Titus Bramble (sounds ludicrous but has been superb recently)
Matthew Upson
Michael Dawson
Ledley King
Jonathan Woodgate
Micah Richards
Nedum Onuoha
Michael Turner
Gary Cahill
Sol Campbell
Anton Ferdinand
Calum Davenport
Steven Taylor
David Wheater
Chris Riggott
I say half of them are not a patch on Ryan and most of the rest will be long retired by the time he reaches his peak. A Shawcross/ Wheater partnership for World Cup 2016 is on the cards I reckon.
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Post by sammychung on Mar 22, 2009 20:40:58 GMT
Michael Dawson,
Anton Ferdinand,
Calum Davenport,
Steven Taylor,
Wes Brown,
Michael Mancienne,
Nedum Onuoha
Michael Turner???????
Is your mate on acid?
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Post by crimesy on Mar 22, 2009 20:42:33 GMT
Soundz like your mate is a cock  Ryan is not only a great defender but he is also a huge threat on set-peices. |
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Post by Ghostface on Mar 22, 2009 20:42:56 GMT
Basically, your mate has just tried to think of every English centre half he can think of and ended up looking like a right dick!
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 22, 2009 20:47:13 GMT
Micah 'Oprah' Richards?
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Post by parmo on Mar 22, 2009 21:02:50 GMT
Rio Ferdinand's Dad Wes Brown's Mam John Terry's Sister Michael Mancienne's Grandad Jamie Carragher's Auntie Curtis Davies' Wife Zat Knight's Son Phil Jagielka's Uncle Joleon Lescott's Dad Titus Bramble's Dad (sounds ludicrous but has been superb recently) Matthew Upson's Sister Michael Dawson's Uncle Ledley King's Second Cousin Jonathan Woodgate's Mate Micah Richards' Sister Nedum Onuoha's Great Grandad who sadly died the other week Michael Turner's Grandmother Gary Cahill's Girlfriend Sol Campbell's Jailed brother Anton Ferdinand's Brother Calum Davenport's Sister Steven Taylor's Son David Wheater's Chin Chris Riggott's Dad |
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Post by Olgrligm on Mar 22, 2009 21:06:18 GMT
I see what you did there.
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Mar 22, 2009 21:07:17 GMT
Riggott?!
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 21:39:34 GMT
Rio Ferdinand's Dad Wes Brown's Mam John Terry's Sister Michael Mancienne's Grandad Jamie Carragher's Auntie Curtis Davies' Wife Zat Knight's Son Phil Jagielka's Uncle Joleon Lescott's Dad Titus Bramble's Dad (sounds ludicrous but has been superb recently) Matthew Upson's Sister Michael Dawson's Uncle Ledley King's Second Cousin Jonathan Woodgate's Mate Micah Richards' Sister Nedum Onuoha's Great Grandad who sadly died the other week Michael Turner's Grandmother Gary Cahill's Girlfriend Sol Campbell's Jailed brother Anton Ferdinand's Brother Calum Davenport's Sister Steven Taylor's Son David Wheater's Chin Chris Riggott's Dad The depressing thing for you is that your little joke must have taken fucking ages to do even with cut and paste. You'll never get that time back. |
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Post by parmo on Mar 22, 2009 21:48:29 GMT
Rio Ferdinand's Dad Wes Brown's Mam John Terry's Sister Michael Mancienne's Grandad Jamie Carragher's Auntie Curtis Davies' Wife Zat Knight's Son Phil Jagielka's Uncle Joleon Lescott's Dad Titus Bramble's Dad (sounds ludicrous but has been superb recently) Matthew Upson's Sister Michael Dawson's Uncle Ledley King's Second Cousin Jonathan Woodgate's Mate Micah Richards' Sister Nedum Onuoha's Great Grandad who sadly died the other week Michael Turner's Grandmother Gary Cahill's Girlfriend Sol Campbell's Jailed brother Anton Ferdinand's Brother Calum Davenport's Sister Steven Taylor's Son David Wheater's Chin Chris Riggott's Dad The depressing thing for you is that your little joke must have taken fucking ages to do even with cut and paste. You'll never get that time back. I realised this half-way through... but felt I had to finish it. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 22, 2009 21:53:14 GMT
There's no doubting that he has the potential. His performances in his debut Premier League season as a 20 year old (he's 21 now I know) have been nothing short of superb. The major issue for me is how the feck the lad isn't considered for the U-21's? Mind you we have got an U-21 manager who when he picked his first squad as Forest's caretaker boss, needed his wife to point out he hadn't picked a keeper in his starting XI!  |
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Post by sirpineapple89 on Mar 22, 2009 22:00:54 GMT
Y - Better than Shawcross
N - Shawcross is better
Y/N - Tough one
Rio Ferdinand - Y
Wes Brown - Y
John Terry - Y
Michael Mancienne - N
Jamie Carragher (if he unretired from international football) - Y
Curtis Davies - Y/N
Zat Knight - N
Phil Jagielka - Y
Joleon Lescott - Y
Titus Bramble (sounds ludicrous but has been superb recently) - N
Matthew Upson - Y
Michael Dawson - N
Ledley King - Y/N (He only plays about 6 games a season, part-timer)
Jonathan Woodgate - Y
Micah Richards - Y/N
Nedum Onuoha - Y/N
Michael Turner - N
Gary Cahill - N
Sol Campbell - N
Anton Ferdinand - N
Calum Davenport - N
Steven Taylor - N
David Wheater - Y/N
Chris Riggott - N
So, by my carefully thought out evaluation, Shawcross is in the top 10 English centre backs in the league. It may sound a little biased but recently he's been fantastic. It also confirms that your mate talks absolute horseshit.
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Post by crimesy on Mar 22, 2009 22:01:15 GMT
The fact that Pearce considers some of the following better is a disgrace imo:
Kieran Gibbs
Arsenal
Michael Mancienne
Chelsea
Nedum Onuoha
Manchester City
Micah Richards
Manchester City
Andrew Taylor
Middlesbrough
Steven Taylor
Newcastle United
David Wheater
Middlesbrough
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Post by parmo on Mar 22, 2009 22:03:07 GMT
What was Riggot actually like for you by the way?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 22, 2009 22:04:04 GMT
What was Riggot actually like for you by the way? Steady. |
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 22, 2009 22:04:56 GMT
What was Riggot actually like for you by the way? Calm and assured. You should thank us for letting him get some practice for you at that level. |
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Post by crimesy on Mar 22, 2009 22:05:53 GMT
What was Riggot actually like for you by the way? Calm and assured. You should thank us for letting him get some practice for you at that level.  |
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Post by parmo on Mar 22, 2009 22:07:01 GMT
What was Riggot actually like for you by the way? Calm and assured. You should thank us for letting him get some practice for you at that level. Yeah thats pretty much what he's like for us, just wanted to know what he was like at a lower level. He's a bit of a fans favourite... until Southgate picks him and they're reminded of how average he is. He doesn't have a clue how to play against fast players. |
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Post by suttontiger on Mar 23, 2009 9:44:46 GMT
Y - Better than Shawcross N - Shawcross is better Y/N - Tough one Rio Ferdinand - Y Wes Brown - Y John Terry - Y Michael Mancienne - N Jamie Carragher (if he unretired from international football) - Y Curtis Davies - Y/N Zat Knight - N Phil Jagielka - Y Joleon Lescott - Y Titus Bramble (sounds ludicrous but has been superb recently) - N Matthew Upson - Y Michael Dawson - N Ledley King - Y/N (He only plays about 6 games a season, part-timer) Jonathan Woodgate - Y Micah Richards - Y/N Nedum Onuoha - Y/N Michael Turner - N Gary Cahill - N Sol Campbell - N Anton Ferdinand - N Calum Davenport - N Steven Taylor - N David Wheater - Y/N Chris Riggott - N So, by my carefully thought out evaluation, Shawcross is in the top 10 English centre backs in the league. It may sound a little biased but recently he's been fantastic. It also confirms that your mate talks absolute horseshit. I think you have a case with 1 or 2 on that list, but I think you're a little deluded. He's certainly not better than Michael Turner who has been our best player by a country mile all season, with a couple of decent defenders around him, we'd still be in the top half. He is very much in Capello's thoughts for the full England squad, and is being touted by Liverpool, yet Shawcross is continually ignored for the under 21's. He's got potential, but he's got a long way to go yet |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 23, 2009 9:52:39 GMT
Sutton:
So you'll be utterly shocked to the core when he gets called up later this year?
Mark my words. he IS a future England CH. (Probably would have left us for loads of money though)
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Post by suttontiger on Mar 23, 2009 9:56:38 GMT
Sutton: So you'll be utterly shocked to the core when he gets called up later this year? Mark my words. he IS a future England CH. (Probably would have left us for loads of money though) The key word there is 'future'. I don't deny he's got potential, but he's looked a bit raw when I've seen him. He's probably not consitent enough yet, wasn't he dropped from your team for a while this season? |
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Post by dozintheseventees on Mar 23, 2009 10:05:43 GMT
Our Tone likes to keep em on their toes Sutton and Ryan was left out for a few games. You are right, he's just 21 and he has at times been a bit raw but he's got huge potential and he has improved massively as the season has worn on. I'm probably a bit optimistic with @this year' but I really do think he's that good. Many of those listed earlier, I don't rate at all.
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Post by Timmypotter on Mar 23, 2009 10:18:09 GMT
I think he's a future England CB too. Had an absolute shocker against Bolton opening game of the season, but since he got back into the starting line up he's been solid. Then again he is playing next to Lord Abdoulaye, and I reckon I'd look solid next to him too.
Future return to the Shit in a few seasons when Rio is on his way out?
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Post by northantsash on Mar 23, 2009 10:27:03 GMT
terry, ferdinand, king, woodgate, carragher, jagielka, upson, richards?, cahill?, wes brown.
campbell too slow, wheater not impressed, mancienne hasnt even played prem games,
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