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Post by stewstoke81 on Mar 14, 2009 21:16:54 GMT
Sorry to say T P is not producing the best team from the start as we all no ! if mama s such a "vital part of the team" then why is it we re shite the first half until a change is made? hopefully this result will drill it into T P that we ve got better players in the squad now rather than the ones last term where mama was alright when we were hoofing it up! this is the Premier League. Attractive football would nt go amise. Come on Stoke we re better than this !!!!  |
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Post by PottersPride on Mar 14, 2009 23:40:09 GMT
maybe its beacuse hes jst had a long injury and trying to gain full fitness u tool
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Post by diaofan on Mar 15, 2009 0:02:53 GMT
maybe its beacuse hes jst had a long injury and trying to gain full fitness u tool No, it's because he's just not linking with Beattie. They're both making the same runs and trying to win the same aerial balls, it's just not working for them as a partnership. It needs to be a combo of: Beattie/Fuller Beattie/Camara Mama/Fuller Mama/Camara |
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Post by BraveSirRobin on Mar 15, 2009 0:02:49 GMT
Therefore,he should play for the reserves to get his fitness up rather than been thrown into a relegation dogfight?....oh yeah....tool.
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Post by BuzzB on Mar 15, 2009 0:04:15 GMT
Mamas' clearly not ready yet no matter how quick a healer he is.
After that shit with Mali and the bad injury to his arm he wasn't the same player that season. He's been superb up until the knee injury and maybe he needs more time than he and TP thinks. I.m a big fan but at this stage we can't afford passengers.
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Post by PottersPride on Mar 15, 2009 0:07:15 GMT
agree with some of them but i realy think fuller is a super sub
fuller starts we go 2 down his head goes down
fuller comes on we 2 down he wants to fight
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Post by luke45 on Mar 15, 2009 0:14:28 GMT
maybe its beacuse hes jst had a long injury and trying to gain full fitness u tool I'm a fan of Mama but we can't be carrying players to boost their fitness, we don't have that luxury. 1st Half he picked a side that was best suited to working hard, absorb pressure and trying to limit their posession on the ball, and get to half-time still in the game. 2nd Half he picked a side that could cause them problems in a bid to try and get a goal by introducing Fuller. I fully accept and condone we can't go to Goodison Park and take the game to sides and leave ourselves vulnerable, because then we would be on the end of a worse scoreline, but it is plain to see there is issues with the approach away from home. Home form from now till the end of the season will determine our fate. I personally think he'll keep us up, but its going to go to the wire. |
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Post by cr4zyd4ve on Mar 15, 2009 0:15:45 GMT
Mamma aint been too hot since he returned from injury admitedly but if we play Fuller and Beattie togther Beattie will be the one filling the Mamma role and that is just a waste of his ability. If Fuller and Beattie are going to play together it has to be as an out and out front two, which I don't see Pulis doing from the word go.
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Post by Ron Jeremy on Mar 15, 2009 0:16:18 GMT
Wouldnt mind seeing camara a bit, but can we take the gamble?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 15, 2009 0:23:11 GMT
Mamma aint been too hot since he returned from injury admitedly but if we play Fuller and Beattie togther Beattie will be the one filling the Mamma role and that is just a waste of his ability. If Fuller and Beattie are going to play together it has to be as an out and front two, which I don't see Pulis doing from the word go. I think you're probably right there fella, it really is incredibly frustrating. If he can't do this against an awful Boro at the Brit, then it really is stubbornness of the highest order. |
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Post by cr4zyd4ve on Mar 15, 2009 0:23:34 GMT
Wouldnt mind seeing camara a bit, but can we take the gamble? Can't argue with that he has got a bit of pace could do well running onto nod-on's. I assume we loaned him so we could actually play him or at least take a look at him, Pulis seems very reluctant to use him though. |
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Post by cr4zyd4ve on Mar 15, 2009 0:29:07 GMT
Mamma aint been too hot since he returned from injury admitedly but if we play Fuller and Beattie togther Beattie will be the one filling the Mamma role and that is just a waste of his ability. If Fuller and Beattie are going to play together it has to be as an out and front two, which I don't see Pulis doing from the word go. I think you're probably right there fella, it really is incredibly frustrating. If he can't do this against an awful Boro at the Brit, then it really is stubbornness of the highest order. I'm guessing Pulis would count that as a 'risk', something he aint too fond of taking. Lenny down the right, Ethers down the left raining crosses into the box. With Fuller and Beattie getting on the end of them at every opportunity. Dare to dream I say, two wingers and two out and out strikers just think of it. As you say if he doesn't try something like that against Boro he never will!! |
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Post by mermaidsal on Mar 15, 2009 0:30:38 GMT
maybe its beacuse hes jst had a long injury and trying to gain full fitness u tool No, it's because he's just not linking with Beattie. They're both making the same runs and trying to win the same aerial balls, it's just not working for them as a partnership. It needs to be a combo of: Beattie/Fuller Beattie/Camara Mama/Fuller Mama/Camara Agreed, Tone's being pigheaded and getting this one wrong I'm afraid, like he is with Salif. |
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 15, 2009 0:33:15 GMT
Sick of this Mama's not ready, he's done good for us blah blah.
The fact Beattie is a lot better player than Mama so you poick him over Mama, it's simple stuff!
We have got two decent wingers now, so there's no need to by-pass the midfield and have someone playing the Mama role
In short, as much as he's a fans favourite, rose to the premiership challnege better than most...he shouldn't be in out first 11
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Post by Paul Spencer on Mar 15, 2009 0:40:41 GMT
The fact Beattie is a lot better player than Mama so you poick him over Mama, it's simple stuff! We have got two decent wingers now, so there's no need to by-pass the midfield and have someone playing the Mama role Agree 100% A-teen. In the next four games there should be absolutely no excuse for playing it any other way. |
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Post by lancer on Mar 15, 2009 9:19:54 GMT
I'm possibly one of Mama's biggest fans on here, but since his injury, he is certainly not giving us much. He needs some games in the reserves, and it's not as though we don't have options now.
He's a smashing player, but TP is not helping him by rushing him into games.
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Post by Pugsley on Mar 15, 2009 9:25:20 GMT
You have to question why the Manager can bring back a player immediately after a long lay off and put him in the starting line up, while other, better players, are brought back slowly.
It's all down to the football philosophy of the Manager. We have far better players, could play a more effective system and probably pick up more points. It's bad management end of story.
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Post by northstokie on Mar 15, 2009 9:44:38 GMT
He's not really fit and like A-Teen says, we have wingers now so don't need him as the 'out ball'
BT was flicking on the ball for him if anything yesterday and then he perked up a bit when Fuller came on...thing is TP says Fuller is still suffering with his shoulder and reckons he can only do 40-45 mins at best
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Post by roylandstoke on Mar 15, 2009 10:05:24 GMT
At his best and fully fit Mama has surprised me by just about hoding his own in this league. He has managed to do reasonable job of winning ball, working centre halves and being a target for our long ball.
Mama is not fit right now, fitness is a huge part of his game. He hasn't just missed games because of suspension he has missed games and training with a serious injury,so how can we expect him to be fit?
James Beattie has been a revelation to me. I had no idea he would work so hard and selflessly for the team. In short he is playing like a high quality Mama who scores goals, to use TP's phrase he is "head and shoulders " above any other target man at the club.
We know Ricci is our only player capable of taking the ball past a defender, we also know defences are scared of his pace and that he plays his best when he has a willing workhorse alongside him.
We know our best 11 have a chance in this division and that injuries and suspensions have cost us a place higher up the table.
What I can't understand is why we fail to get this best 11 out on the field when it is available.
Mama is not one of those best 11.
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Post by JoeinOz on Mar 15, 2009 10:21:09 GMT
Mama is way of the pace at the moment. He can brind some positive things to our team but now he's not doing that. On satdee we should start with Beattie and Fuller up front.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2009 10:30:04 GMT
The problem withplaying Mama especially away from home is we play it too long and it degenerates into hoof ball. Get Beattie and Fuller on against Boro and lets get it wide and rain those crosses in.
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Post by stokie5554 on Mar 15, 2009 10:33:28 GMT
I Think Beattie Is a Lot Cleverer than sidibie and sidibie is sorta following beatie to see what hes doing its not a bad thing because you can add and extra player in like at villa withbeattie sidibie and fuller all on
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 10:53:49 GMT
Lets not beat about the bush here, Mama's been nothing short of total wank since he's returned and has offered us absolutely nothing.
Now I know that many will see that statement as overly harsh and want to look back on what Mama has done for us in the past but it just doesn't wash with me. This is the Premier League we're talking about and I for one would quite like to stay here.
We simply cannot afford to carry passengers and that's what Mama is at present, (as is Diao and Rory too if we continue to play him in wide positions) a prime example yesterday saw BT (during the first half) working bloody hard down the right wing and getting to the byline to put in a decent-ish cross; unfortunately his strike partner once again decided that it would probably be best to wander aimlessly about some 35 yards from goal.
It's not all Mama's fault of course, Tommy threw two ricks in, we didn't defend both situations that well and the manager keeps making the same mistakes away from home. I think we can all but give up on an away win this season and we will have to put our faith in getting 4 out of 5 wins at home. What is beginning to grate about our away efforts is that we've tried to do the same things in pretty much all 14 games and nothings really changed. Yesterday playing our better attacking players wouldn't have prevented the two goals but we MIGHT have got a goal that would have made the task a damn sight easier in the second half.
I'm still backing TP but I just wish he wouldn't be so ultra bloody cautious, Everton simply weren't that good yesterday and I honestly feel if we had imposed ourselves on them from the start we would have come away with at least a point. We simply HAVE to play our best players and take a chance, Ric should (regardless of TP's comments about him not being quite right, if he can come on and play he may as well start if the only worry is his shoulder) have started as should Ethers. I'll be honest and say I'm not sure what my preferred central pairing would be but I think it would be Whelan and one of the other three with Rory probably getting the nod as we haven't played him much there yet this year. Salif was pretty bloody awful again to be honest and he was another passenger yesterday.
We've got nine games left and we have to start playing our strongest XI before its too late, we've tried keeping it tight away from home and it simply hasn't worked, for me we may as well go shit or bust in our remaining away games but I don't expect we will.
That leaves the home games and while there's no reason why we can't win four out of five, it does put massive pressure on those fixtures. We CAN do it though but we HAVE to play our best team from the start.
Goooaaarrrrnnn Stoke!!
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Post by Vodkab1ock on Mar 15, 2009 10:58:15 GMT
its fucking simple - Mama + Fuller worked for 2 years at least, him and Fuller play alot better together than Mama + another. Still love the big man mind but if he is starting with Beattie then it should be Beattie + Fuller.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Mar 15, 2009 11:13:50 GMT
its fucking simple - Mama + Fuller worked for 2 years at least, him and Fuller play alot better together than Mama + another. Still love the big man mind but if he is starting with Beattie then it should be Beattie + Fuller. You're right about how Mama and Ric worked well in the past mate but the way Mama's playing it wouldn't matter who was palying alongside him as he's been that bad. |
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Post by tony harrison on Mar 15, 2009 11:17:03 GMT
Stepped up his game for the premier league this season prior to his injury.
Since being back he has looked very championship level. Not being fully fit does not give you an excuse for missing headers, which he is doing at the moment.
Needs dropping to the subs bench with Diao.
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Post by march4 on Mar 15, 2009 11:20:43 GMT
Much as I think Mama is the fulcrum of the team, he looks well off the pace.
Its Ric and Beats up front for me next week.
Diao will continue to play, whatever we think.
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 15, 2009 16:34:31 GMT
Answer me this question people who are sticking for Mama and for Tony..
If we signed a better left back than Higgy would you play him?
If we signed a better goal keeper than Sorro would you play him?
So why have we signed a a better Mama in Beattie but still playing Mama.
You have got to play with yopu best players, and Mama isn't one of them!
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Post by Bick on Mar 15, 2009 16:40:49 GMT
I love Mama, but he is not back to his best, should maybe be giving camara a chance?
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Post by A-teen_six_T3 on Mar 15, 2009 17:05:49 GMT
This back to his best bollocks...Mama as NEVER been a good football player, he can win a header better than the majority of defenders, thats why he did so well earlier in the season, but when he's no jumping and winning headers, it shows how poor player he is...ie he's not prem standard in terms of ability. He's good at what he does, muscling defenders and winning headers..we DONT need play that way no more, cus we have 2 good wingers, where they will be able take players on and put decent balls into the box, we dont need rely on mama flicking it on and asking fuller do a shit laod of work!
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