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Post by salopstick on Feb 18, 2009 12:56:10 GMT
I think BT has looked more comfortable because he has played from the off in his rightful place and not some bastardised Mama role and secondly because he and Ethers have had each other from the start. Something Kitson never had. Don't get me wrong I love BT and I don't think Kitson could do better than him, but lets just see how he plays without Ethers and with Mama, because I reckon BT will find it as frustrating as the next man. H fair assessment that raf but if it is tp's intention to get rid of kitson in the summer unless he gets a run of games to score a few goals we will struggle to recoup much of which was paid for him |
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Post by exiledstokie on Feb 18, 2009 13:00:27 GMT
i want a front 3 of Beattie Camara and Mama, Mama the deep striker to win the flick ons, Beattie to get his head onto anything thrown into the box, and Camara to get in behind from the Mama and Beattie knockdowns........................................... Whats that? Tony Pulis is manager??? oh right, Mama and Beattie it is then  |
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Post by RAF on Feb 18, 2009 13:05:47 GMT
Yes thanks, I did see the game, and he didn't for one minute play anything like the Mama role Kitson was made to play.
He had to drop back a fair bit when we were down to ten men, but rightly got himself forward for the goal, that was ultimately his job, which he did.
H
Salop, I don't think TP will be bothered about recouping the money if we stay up and if we get relegated I reckon Beattie, Camara et al wil be on their way and Kitson may well get a shout again.
Not that I think he'll want to play for us if TP ignores him for much longer.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 13:10:28 GMT
Apologies, didn't mean to patronise. I obviously have an opinion which differs slightly to yours. I think that's still allowed.
He wasn't as deep as Mama but he wasn't alongside Fuller either. That's how I'd play it on Saturday with Camara in the Fuller role.
Was Kitson "made" to play that role or did he struggle to adapt to what was asked of him more than Beattie has done? Even Mama gets into better positions in that role than Kitson has done. I think Kitson is a good player, but he may not be entirely blameless for the way he's struggled since he joined us.
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Post by salopstick on Feb 18, 2009 13:48:42 GMT
kitson is too good a player not to play him in his preferred position and let him get goals
i think tone missed a trick against cheltenham where he got rested but could have used that game for some quick confidence goals ffs even parkin scored in that one
with hindsight i think tp was under pr3essure to get at least one big name signing in the summer and kitson was the only one he could get in but he might not have bothered because he has contributed nearly zero to the campaign so far
that through no fault of his own
i dont believe for minute kitson believed he was asked to play the mama role before signing, he has obviously struggled when asked to play there but is he too blame for that - no imo
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Post by spartanstokie on Feb 18, 2009 13:57:52 GMT
how about kitson is the wrong player for our club ???
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Post by salopstick on Feb 18, 2009 14:00:19 GMT
how about kitson is the wrong player for our club ??? you are right, but if you spunk 3-5m on him you have to play him where you will get the best of him |
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Post by RAF on Feb 18, 2009 14:06:08 GMT
Apology accepted, you did, and of course it's allowed in that order.
Actually from what I remember of the game BT wasn't that far away from Fuller position wise, especially for the first 30 mins.
BT hasn't had to try and adapt to the role Kitson was originally given to cover for Mama.
That's why we call it the Mama role, because no one else seems to be able to play that role like him.
I think possibly his demeanour and attitude has let him down in a couple of games, but can you honestly say he's been given a fair crack at the whip?
I mean for fucks sake Pericard has been with us for over 2 years and he still gets the occasional nod and lets face it he's ultra wank.
Personally aslong as we stay up, I couldn't ultimately give a monkeys. Just seems a real waste of a good player who for whatever reason TP has lost faith with, especially considering what a bloody minded twat he can be with the players he has bought, playing them no matter how shit they are and totally out of position.
H
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Post by Deleted on Feb 18, 2009 15:07:33 GMT
The signing has in hindsight proved to be a weird one - Kitson as you say is clearly a good player, but he hasn't managed to fit in for whatever reason - IMO it's 70% Pulis' fault for playing him out of position and 30% Kitson's for not really even coming close to adapting to it. It's no coincidence that Kitson looked better against Liverpool because Etherington was in the team and because he was played as the furthermost striker.
Beattie is a different type of player, more physical, better at holding it up, and I think whereas the deep striker role seemed totally alien to Kitson who didn't have any idea how to play it, how deep to sit, how to combine the donkey work with getting forward, Beattie is more than capable of doing that kind of a job.
Again, that's just my opinion. I don't think necessarily that Kitson has been told to drop further than Beattie has been, but rather they've both been told to play the deep lying striker role and Beattie is far more familiar with what that involves than Kitson.
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Post by RAF on Feb 18, 2009 15:44:28 GMT
I'm not convinced that Beattie has ever been told to play the deep lying striker role, but as you say he certainly seems better at actually holding the ball up when in a situation to do so.
I wonder what would have happened to Andy Johnson had Fulham not stuck with him until he found his form again?
Anyway onwards and upwards Stoke, 3 points on Satdee no matter who plays will do me fine thanks.
H
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Post by Olgrligm on Feb 18, 2009 15:47:05 GMT
Here's the options:
Mama and Beattie: For argument's sake, Mama wins the ball in the air, Beattie gets it. Then what? We've either got to have a winger storming forward for him to get the ball to very quickly (unlikely if Lawrence doesn't play), have the central midfield push up (yeah, good one) for him to release the ball to or it will fly back at us.
Mama and Camara: Poor man's Mama and Fuller. I suppose it could theoretically work, but they've hardly built up a partnership like the latter.
Mama and Kitson: Won't happen, why bother discussing it? Kitson is redundant. Looked bright for 15 minutes against Tottenham, didn't work after that. Not been successful on any other occasion.
Beattie and Camara: Mama and Fuller with maybe more goals but a fraction of the link up play etc. It's a possible.
Camara and Kitson: When will people learn? Will not work.
Beattie and Kitson: Assuming Beattie does the hard work in the Mama role (let's not pretend we're going to have a tippy-tappy revolution on Saturday, our players are so rushed on the ball it's unreal), what will Kitson do? He won't pick up the pieces and beat his man. He'd get on the end of a cross, perhaps, but who's going to do that? Lawrence on his own?
For me then, it's either Mama and Camara or Beattie and Camara. The primary role of one striker is to get the ball in the final third and make sure it stays up there. I honestly cannot see how we're going to win this.
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Post by Irish Stokie on Feb 18, 2009 16:18:14 GMT
Cant really see Mama and BT starting because, as has rightly been said they are too similar and we have a real lack of pace in the team as it is so to leave out Fuller and camara would add to that. I would love to see BT and Kits with Liam and Ethers out wide but that is very unlikely to hapen under TP unless we have an injury crisis so i expect to see BT and Camara Saturday and to be fair they look a decent partnership
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Post by RonnieStokie on Feb 18, 2009 16:31:14 GMT
Beattie and Kitson upfront for me. Mama coming on for 30 mins or so. Cresswell on the left, Lawrence on the right. Camara on the bench.
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Post by miffmister on Feb 18, 2009 19:34:12 GMT
Would like to see BT and Kits, but I fear Cressie will be prefered.
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Post by Ddraigcoch on Feb 18, 2009 19:56:12 GMT
BT and Kitson with Etherington and Camara either side when all are available.
This Saturday it must be BT and Henri they looked to be developing something as a pair against Blunderland even when we had10 men.
LL must play to give the option of balls into feet and decent crosses.
I can see Creswell starting on the left of midfield though with Pugh on the bench to come on if we concede an early goal. Cresswell to help keep Pennant quiet early doors.
Higgy at left back.
Its not going to be pretty.
Pompeys 2 - 0 flattered them last week. Pompey were shite but Man City were diabolical. Citeh fan at work went to the game ...fist half neither side could string 5 passes together. Pompey just did enough in the second half to out play an awful Citeh side. Robinio touched the ball about 3 times and Elano didn't turn up either. Pompey were playing against 9.
C'mon STOKE get into em, high tempo from the start and we will have 'em. Give Pennant some stick aswell.......... the arsehole.
;D
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