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Post by redditchpotter on Feb 15, 2009 12:32:16 GMT
Does anyone know for sure why Pulis isn't playing him? I've heard all the rumours about him screwing around and such,but I thought the clear the air talks would mean him playing,but no. Is Pulis cutting his own nose off to spite his face. If so I think this is a trait that I dislike about our manager,even though I have been a supporter of him. I know Lawrence didn't start the season too well,but I had the idea he was "playing injured" and not100% fit. If Pulis is putting his own feelings before the clubs then he is totally out of order.
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Post by th05 on Feb 15, 2009 12:33:21 GMT
I don't know. If he doesn't play next weekend, then there is definitely something going on.
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Post by Ron Jeremy on Feb 15, 2009 12:36:15 GMT
I think it was because he wasnt 100% match fit, with the lack of reserve games aswell it has been hard for it to get back to full fitness
With etherington and delap out he should definitley start now though and prove he is PREM QUALITY
Goarnnnnnnnnn Stokeeeeeeeee
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Post by stonestokie! on Feb 15, 2009 12:45:51 GMT
personally i still dont think he's fit enough!
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Post by stonestokie! on Feb 15, 2009 12:46:22 GMT
really do think he'll ATLEAST get a good 30mins against pompey though
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Post by FrostySCFC on Feb 15, 2009 13:55:50 GMT
With the lack of reserve games it's very hard for our players coming back from injury to get match fit. If Pulis played him for a full game when he and his physios and coaches weren't convinced that he was 100%, they could risk injuring him more, or even potentially ruining his career. If Liam is a decent standard of match fit I think Tone will play him. I don't think he'll be playing 90 minutes yet though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 15, 2009 13:57:37 GMT
So how comes Diao was match fit then after his injury, he played against Sunderland??????
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Post by serpico on Feb 15, 2009 14:00:05 GMT
He's been back from his injury since before christmas, and the only way he'll get match fit is by playing games, so he has to start the game against Pompey imo, it could be a good indicator of just how bad a bust up he has had with Pulis if he doesn't start, considering the suspensions and injuries we have, you'd think he'd be one of the first names on the team sheet (behind Cresswell of course ) What other option is there ??? I suppose he could go - Cresswell ----- Whelen ---- Diao ----- Camara
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Post by parttimepotter on Feb 15, 2009 14:17:43 GMT
Only going on what I heard from a friend of Lawros but the row was bad, LL complaining about being subbed over his last few games and reckoned Pulis was screwing his chances of an Ireland call up, and when Pulis sent him with a flea in his ear he didnt like it and kicked his office door resulting in the injury!
I totally agree though about Pulis being a stubborn sod and seemingly making LL suffer?? He either has to play him or not even pick him for the bench? I am grateful to Pulis and Coates and where they have helped put Stoke in a few years but I do get frustrated with Pulis' ever increasing pig headedness at playing certain players who simply are not good enough and are picked purely on the fact that they dont give the manager any grief!
My feelings are- along with Fuller will be shown the door regardless of our status next season.
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Post by garyhackett on Feb 15, 2009 15:54:47 GMT
Only going on what I heard from a friend of Lawros but the row was bad, LL complaining about being subbed over his last few games and reckoned Pulis was screwing his chances of an Ireland call up, and when Pulis sent him with a flea in his ear he didnt like it and kicked his office door resulting in the injury! I totally agree though about Pulis being a stubborn sod and seemingly making LL suffer?? He either has to play him or not even pick him for the bench? I am grateful to Pulis and Coates and where they have helped put Stoke in a few years but I do get frustrated with Pulis' ever increasing pig headedness at playing certain players who simply are not good enough and are picked purely on the fact that they dont give the manager any grief! My feelings are- along with Fuller will be shown the door regardless of our status next season. What an absolute pile of horse shit.
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Post by parttimepotter on Feb 15, 2009 16:30:04 GMT
only saying what has been told via a friend of the players?? thought it was pretty much commomn knowledge anyways??
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 15, 2009 16:37:18 GMT
i read on here yesterday somewhere, that he'd gained a fair bit of weight after his 'injury' lay off, hence the lack of match fitness. Which would make sense to me, as we saw him down the Mich at the end of October and he was in training gear, though not training with the squad, and said he'd be back in a fortnight ??? Saw him before Man City and thought he'd piled it on a bit Agree with the above that he needs a part game to at least assess his level of fitness....and we don't have too many other options at the moment, do we?
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Post by jarhead on Feb 15, 2009 17:39:34 GMT
Strangled...i was thinking the same thing.
Funny how you don't get an explanation from the rimmers about Diao who must be way off the fitness required but he walks baxck into the team!!!
Pulis's pig headed stubborness there for all to see and how the rules are different for his wank favourites.
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Post by crimesy on Feb 15, 2009 18:17:58 GMT
ATM he is the best winger we hve with both Delap and Ethers out, if he doesn't START, well... there is something wrong isnt there ???
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Post by jarhead on Feb 15, 2009 18:43:27 GMT
mmmmh still waiting.
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Post by Ron Jeremy on Feb 15, 2009 18:48:29 GMT
Best winger with delap and etherington out? hes the alot better than delap in my opinion
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Post by stokie25 on Feb 15, 2009 18:49:13 GMT
i'd get a flask and some snapping...you may be there for a while
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Post by MrBigJobby on Feb 15, 2009 22:17:04 GMT
probably to do with him and Cort and the alleged "dog incident!
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Post by tazi on Feb 15, 2009 22:38:04 GMT
Does anyone know for sure why Pulis isn't playing him? I've heard all the rumours about him screwing around and such,but I thought the clear the air talks would mean him playing,but no. Is Pulis cutting his own nose off to spite his face. If so I think this is a trait that I dislike about our manager,even though I have been a supporter of him. I know Lawrence didn't start the season too well,but I had the idea he was "playing injured" and not100% fit. If Pulis is putting his own feelings before the clubs then he is totally out of order. There's one hell of a lot of if's in there!.
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Post by Will_75 on Feb 16, 2009 9:31:00 GMT
it CAN'T have anything to do with fitness... TFP has been more than happy to field Diao and Griffin when they've both been visibly struggling.
Griffin's "fitness" had a lot to do with West Ham's equaliser and the subsequent spat... Even the papers noticed.
Wilkinson wasn't fit to start against Sunderland either IMHO
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Post by roylandstoke on Feb 16, 2009 10:52:44 GMT
Neither, Wilko, Kelly nor Salif were fit to play against Sunderland.
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Post by lew86 on Feb 16, 2009 13:37:55 GMT
it CAN'T have anything to do with fitness... TFP has been more than happy to field Diao and Griffin when they've both been visibly struggling. Griffin's "fitness" had a lot to do with West Ham's equaliser and the subsequent spat... Even the papers noticed. Wilkinson wasn't fit to start against Sunderland either IMHO And Delap. I fucking cringed when he was trying to throw. We dont know whether there is or isnt tension between them, but for fuck sake we need him back up there.
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Post by serpico on Feb 16, 2009 14:00:35 GMT
it CAN'T have anything to do with fitness... TFP has been more than happy to field Diao and Griffin when they've both been visibly struggling. Griffin's "fitness" had a lot to do with West Ham's equaliser and the subsequent spat... Even the papers noticed. Wilkinson wasn't fit to start against Sunderland either IMHO And Delap. I fucking cringed when he was trying to throw. We dont know whether there is or isnt tension between them, but for fuck sake we need him back up there. Yeh, Pulis played Delap when he was visibly unfit AND when he didn't have his throw, and as has been pointed out, he chucked Diao straight back in after 6-8 weeks out, played Griffin when he was visibly carrying a knock, and played wilko at sunderland when he was also carrying a knock, so the "he's not fully fit" excuse doesn't wash with me, something has obviously happened between Lawrence and Pulis and TP is trying to make a point by not starting him, well he's going to have to now, because we're down to bare bones, If lawrence doesn't get a start now it will pretty much confirmed the rumors about a major bust up.
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Post by redditchpotter on Feb 17, 2009 14:39:50 GMT
And now he's talking about Mama going straight back in,although I agree it smacks of double standards
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Post by exiledstokie on Feb 17, 2009 14:48:39 GMT
i think we can safely say that somthing big has gone on. It seems like theres more chance of me playing against Portsmouth than Lenny!! ;D With every other member of the squad who has been injured coming straight back into the first team you have to wonder what has happened?? Liam has been training since Christmas, even without 1st team run outs he has to be fit enough to play 90mins, it may be match practice that he's lacking, but he'll never get that without getting games under his belt. Stinks of the famous TP stubborn streak to me
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Post by dexter97 on Feb 17, 2009 15:01:06 GMT
I think the rumours about Liam being "frozen out" by TP are believable, but TBH I'm sceptical - I've heard three completely different versions of "what really happened".
As far as fitness goes, it might just be the case that Liam's game relies on his ability to run around like a blue-arsed fly, whereas Salif's doesn't. Maybe the arrival of Ethers meant that in TP's mind, Liam's return was less urgent. Who knows? I just tend to believe that the real reason probably has nothing to do with the conspiracy theory.
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Post by okeydokeystokie2 on Feb 17, 2009 15:33:29 GMT
Agree Dexter.
I think LL would have come on against Sunderland but for the first half injuries. Think he would have come on against Citeh, but for the fact we went down to 10 in the first half. Suspect TP has being trying to ease him back, then found his opportunities to bring him on restricted.
Tony's wide midfielders (Liam, Delap even Cressie) have to cover a lot of ground in this system, getting up and down the pitch when the 2 centre mids are told to hold their position deeper. Maybe Tone thinks that's going to be hard for Liam to do in one game, and would ideally like to get him to that level over 2 or 3 games.
I am sure Liam will play some part on Saturday, but he can't have the sharpness that comes from playing every week.
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Post by jarhead on Feb 17, 2009 17:57:11 GMT
serpio well said its just the usual bollox from Pulis and his stalker John 'im up your arse tony' Acres who keep bangng on about the fitness that why LL aint played but he is fitter than Griff,Wilko certainly Diao,Sidibe and i bet he Sidibe will get on asap even though he has had no reserves,behind closed doors games etc etc....will it be fitness then lads?
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Post by Irish Stokie on Feb 17, 2009 18:07:15 GMT
The Pompey game will tell us alot about the severity of the supposed bad feelings TP has for Liam. There is no doubt he should start Saturday but if he doesnt i wouldnt be surprised if he never stars a game for us again
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Post by AlJolson on Feb 17, 2009 18:26:27 GMT
Liam will start you watch, and it will be just as if nothing has happened. As long as he toes the line.
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