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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 2, 2009 22:56:33 GMT
Radio Stoke sport this evening said we were in discussions with Camara this afternoon trying to make the loan move permanent. Mark71 said we'd have to pay £1.5m in the summer to make it permanent if we wanted to keep him. It's done. Camara's signed on loan with a view to £1.5m permant deal in the summer. 1 down 3 to go ;D Wigan have got a 12 month option on him so we've got to buy that out. Bruce mentions Camaa wanting to put himself in the shop window "However, I can understand that he wants to put himself in the shop window and play and I could not give him that promise here. But what happens if we decide not to keep him in the summer. As Wigan apparently don't want to keep him, can he leave on a Bosman to somewhere other than here? Or will Bruce enforce this apparent option so they can get a fee for him? |
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Post by scfc75 on Feb 2, 2009 23:03:14 GMT
He can only leave on a Bosman if he is out of contract, not sure what the '12 month option' thing means. It should be black and white, he either is in contract in the summer or not. If he is then we have to pay to buy him, if not he can go anywhere for nowt.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 2, 2009 23:08:22 GMT
It's not really somet to lose sleep over at the moment though I would have thought.
However what does worry me now, is the comment from Steve Bruce that you've quoted ...
Surely we haven't given him that assurance, have we?
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Post by bogus on Feb 2, 2009 23:13:08 GMT
It's not really somet to lose sleep over at the moment though I would have thought. However what does worry me now, is the comment from Steve Bruce that you've quoted ... Surely we haven't given him that assurance, have we? Must admit it doesn't worry me at all, Paul. The guy has a reasonable knack of scoring goals. |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 2, 2009 23:17:49 GMT
Pretty much every report I've read indicates definitively that he's available on a Bosman this summer. But, if Mark's correct , perhaps not and this option in Wigan's favour complicates things. www.wiganlatics.premiumtv.co.uk/page/NewsDetail/0,,10429~1542500,00.html Sounds like Camara thinks he's going to play. It'll be interesting to see if that proves to be the case, and how that impacts on the playing time of a certain Mr R. Fuller, who I think still has more to offer than Camara. Also fascinating to see where Mama fits in, but probably no debate that it pretty much means Kitson won't feature again? I'd be surprised if Fuller's No. 1 fan, Pulis, preferred Camara as a starting option. Maybe there's a role for Camara on the right-hand side in a 4-3-3/4-5-1 away (although I don't know where that'd leave Lawrence?) |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 2, 2009 23:23:13 GMT
I'd be surprised if Fuller's No. 1 fan, Pulis, preferred Camara as a starting option. Me too. |
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Post by bogus on Feb 2, 2009 23:25:22 GMT
We've signed a Right back (hopefully) and a nippy striker. Perhaps the West Ham altercation hasn't been completely forgotten, or forgiven??
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 2, 2009 23:30:59 GMT
We've signed a Right back (hopefully) and a nippy striker. Perhaps the West Ham altercation hasn't been completely forgotten, or forgiven?? Possible. Griffin and Fuller did appear 2 Pulis favourites. Griffin's star has certainly seemed to be in decline ever since Slapgate though, with Wilkinson being very much the chosen man. Don't know whether it's all injury-related or whether he's had a slight bust-up with Pulis over how the fallout was handled? But Fuller still seems the Golden Child, back in the starting XI against Man City and being talked up at every opportunity. |
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 2, 2009 23:33:48 GMT
We've signed a Right back (hopefully) and a nippy striker. Perhaps the West Ham altercation hasn't been completely forgotten, or forgiven?? That's a fair point. And if truth be told Griff has also slipped down the pecking order since the Upton Park incident, however I have to admit I prefer to think that this is due to a lack of form rather than a lack of discipline. However IMHO if Fuller hasn't been forgiven then we should have sold him. We are not secure enough in the table to do anything but field our best players in every game that they are available, and I firmly believe that the majority of managers in the Prem (or indeed the championship) if they were offered Fuller or Camara on loan in a straight either/or deal, would choose the former. |
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Post by mark71 on Feb 3, 2009 0:07:29 GMT
FM,
I'm unsure on the option wigan have on Camara's contract I was just told we'd signed him on loan till the end of the season and we could buy his remaining contract for £1.5m in the summer.
Beattie has signed a contract with us for 2.5 years but if he plays a certain amount of games he's entitled to an automatic 12 month extension. Camara's deal could be if Wigan stay up he'll automatically get another 12 months on his contract. I'll try and find out over the next couple of days whats happening.
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Post by broadack on Feb 3, 2009 0:16:55 GMT
I suppose we'll have to see if any partnerships can be developed. Having Beattie/Sidibe competing for one spot, and Fuller/Camara for the other maybe? As useless as Kitson has been, at least we're not reliant on him coming good.
But things are looking alot brighter than they were 1 month ago, that's for sure. Finishing the West Ham game with Cresswell and Pericard as our goal threat was a very public act of self flagellation, and a very real example of what could come unless we started investing mister Coates' money a little wiser.
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 3, 2009 9:25:36 GMT
Pulis' comments seem to reveal he's seen largely as an impact sub... www.whydelilah.co.uk/news/03_Feb_2009/Pulis+eyes+Kelly+deal.html“His pace is the big attraction for me,” Pulis explained. “We’ve seen with Matthew Etherington over the last week or so what a difference genuine pace can make.
“He’s also got a good goalscoring record in the Premier League, which bodes well.
“I’ve felt we’ve lacked potential match-winners on our bench and Henri fits that bill, but that doesn’t mean to say he won’t start games of course.” |
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Post by salopstick on Feb 3, 2009 9:29:19 GMT
Bruce mentions Camaa wanting to put himself in the shop window
"However, I can understand that he wants to put himself in the shop window and play and I could not give him that promise here.
he is out of contract in summer and i took this to mean stoke will give him games to earn a deal there or another club
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Post by knowles on Feb 3, 2009 9:32:33 GMT
One beauty of a permanent signing would be that he would be available for the penultimate game of the season. £1.5 million would be a small price to pay if he was to score the goal that kept us up against Wigan.
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Post by northstokie on Feb 3, 2009 9:46:40 GMT
If it is an option it means in order for us to shell out that kind of money Bruce would have to take the option of a new 12 month deal as opposed to letting his contract lapse...
Call their bluff - he is reportedly on 30k/week, my feeling is they won't do it and we get him fro free. I'm sure it was written somewhere yesterday that he was available at no cost if someone wanted him?
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Post by knowles on Feb 3, 2009 9:49:36 GMT
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Post by salopstick on Feb 3, 2009 9:51:01 GMT
One beauty of a permanent signing would be that he would be available for the penultimate game of the season. £1.5 million would be a small price to pay if he was to score the goal that kept us up against Wigan. we will be safe by then |
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Post by knowles on Feb 3, 2009 9:52:11 GMT
That's optimism for you, Al  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 3, 2009 9:53:15 GMT
If, as appears is the case, both Kelly and Camara are out of contract in the summer, I wonder why we didn't buy the pair of 'em, even on short-term contracts to the summer if they wanted to keep their Bosman options open?
Maybe Wigan wouldn'tl et us - so they could insert the non-playing-clause for May?
But interesting that Radio Stoke reported afternoonthat we were actually then in talks with Camara to turn the loan into a permanent deal?
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 3, 2009 12:56:45 GMT
Pulis' comments seem to reveal he's seen largely as an impact sub... “I’ve felt we’ve lacked potential match-winners on our bench and Henri fits that bill ..." That's better.  |
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Post by FullerMagic on Feb 5, 2009 11:25:49 GMT
www.wigantoday.net/latics/Testing-times-for-Tom.4949702.jpIf the Potters stay up, Latics will receive a loan fee, and the move enables the Senegal striker to put himself in the shop window ahead of a Bosman switch in the summer. If you take the quotes of Bruce and Camara, you can see he's really expecting to get some serious time on the pitch. Seems to be at odds with Pulis' quotes. Bruce
"However, I can understand that he wants to put himself in the shop window and play and I could not give him that promise here. Out of respect to him and to what he has done for the club in the past, I have not stood in his way now."
"I know Henri was a big crowd favourite here, and he's done very well for me this season. But he wanted to play regularly and was getting frustrated with what was happening here.
"He didn't want to be on the bench. I totally understood his position so we allowed him to go to Stoke."Camara "I hope they understand I need to play. I had a wasted year at west Ham, and I have spent most of this season on the bench. I understand and respect Steve Bruce totally. He is the manager and he has done brilliantly with the team, which is his team now. "But when I was given this chance I felt I had to take it for the sake of my career. “That’s the only reason why I left Wigan. I had a good pre-season and was scoring goals, and then suddenly I went back on the bench. “That was not good for me, so that was the only reason that pushed me to come to Stoke. It is so I can get first-team football and show what I can do. “I know how to score goals and I’m definitely going to do that.” Pulis
“I’ve felt we’ve lacked potential match-winners on our bench and Henri fits that bill, but that doesn’t mean to say he won’t start games of course.”
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Post by th05 on Feb 5, 2009 11:32:54 GMT
See how he goes, good deal by all accounts.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Feb 5, 2009 11:35:34 GMT
Yep those quotes don't seem to have a lot of consistency to them FM.
Maybe Bruce told Camara that he had NO chance of starting at Wigan during the remainder of the season whilst Pulis told him he had SOME chance of starting with Stoke.
I guess we'll find out pretty soon.
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