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Post by Horace Cope on Jan 14, 2009 12:23:57 GMT
G M P = Genetically Modified Poo
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Post by Davef on Jan 14, 2009 12:26:32 GMT
Perhaps now , you will stop moaning & get on with life. There have been some pretty low comments on this message board over the years, and this one is right up there with them. Respect to everyone involved. Despite the GMP's apology, they are still intent on defending the indefensible. Like a lot have said on this thread, I hope this action is taken to it's conclusion. |
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 14, 2009 12:27:38 GMT
Hopefully more than six fans will now complain. The police are trying to put the best "spin" they can on this by implying that only 6 out of 80 fans were not reasonably served with section 27 orders. Hopefully ithe case will go to judicial review and the Police "spin" on the numbers of fans they actually had decent intelligence on will be shown to be wildly exaggerated.
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Post by lordb on Jan 14, 2009 13:12:26 GMT
I'm still boycotting all things Mancunian
I'm from Stoke I know how to hold a grudge.
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Post by followyoudown on Jan 14, 2009 14:01:09 GMT
Well done for those responsible for even getting this 'apology' out of them and don't let it drop but the more I read the 'apology' the more it comes across as a non-apology apology with the clear implication that the non-complainers were hooligans and the police don't really think they've done anything wrong.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 14, 2009 14:08:22 GMT
Perhaps now , you will stop moaning & get on with life. And the award for the message board user of the year goes to Supersmashinggreat for his well thought out contribution to this thread. Congratulations, you should strive for even more thought provoking comment in your 17th attempt at debate  |
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Post by Bick on Jan 14, 2009 15:12:38 GMT
Great News!  |
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Post by Caerwrangonpotter on Jan 14, 2009 16:46:44 GMT
so next season, at every visit to a GMP related game, ensure that the friendly looking Copper,you know the one who hides his/her/its number when you attempt to note it,and threatens you with arrest/tazer/dog (delete where aplicable) Look em in the eye & ensure they say "were really truthfully sorry....."
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Post by surreystokie on Jan 14, 2009 17:32:18 GMT
You have no idea how much work has been put into this, (and so much else) by the FSF. While your thanks are most welcome, your membership would be even more encouraging.  We'll be making a full announcement later. |
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Post by McLovin on Jan 14, 2009 17:37:09 GMT
Well done malcolm and everyone. Although those cunts should force the match to be replayed |
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Post by morph on Jan 14, 2009 18:37:42 GMT
well  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 14, 2009 22:37:45 GMT
Well done Malcolm and all involved! Is it just me who thinks that apology is a bit half arsed?
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Post by pattayapotter on Jan 14, 2009 22:46:59 GMT
Well done everyone involved especially Malcom for his tireless work Personally, I hope you continue to fight this the GMP have for far too long now singled out Stoke fans, but the bigger picture is football fans throughout the country. They have totally back tracked because they know this time the game is up for them, I hope the FSF and Liberty continue with this case to ensure it never happens again. Also, I know a 14 year old who was served with a S27 at the Man Citeh game as he got off the train with his father, will the GMP be taking into consideration this game? Wasn't this the time when GMP Officers told Stoke fans not to come back for the United game or they will do the same? The GMP is corrupt a law to itself it's about time someone showed them how to behave, I hope you continue with this case but understand if you didn't.. A big congratulations to all involved you should be very proud of yourselves for sticking to what you believe in |
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Post by DodgyDino on Jan 14, 2009 23:11:53 GMT
Its so easy for them to apologise, It costs nothing. They have now admited being at fault so need to be sued and people compensated for thier own personal losses.
A big well done to all involved in persueing this matter.
Perhaps other football fans through out the country should take note and take on the authorities when being wrongly treated.
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Post by staffordshireknot on Jan 15, 2009 12:06:05 GMT
Cheers for your comments guys. Most of the hard work has been done by malcolm and Anna Fairclough at Liberty, big thanks must go to them. I discussed posting more details on here with Malcolm and Anna and we decided that Malcolm would post details as and when we have crossed the I's and dotted the T's. What i can say is that the GMP have indeed admitted fault and have launched a full review of their use of section 27. Have they not only apologised and agreed to refund costs to seven Stoke fans though insisting the others were part of a known holigan group? I could be wrong but thats what I thought I read. |
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Post by Malcolm Clarke on Jan 15, 2009 20:44:09 GMT
Basically, the job is half done. They have agreed to apologise to a small number of fans who lodged formal, written complaints with them, to delete records of their involvement in the incident and to reimburse match tickets. They have also agreed to undertake a review of their use of Section 27, and to consult with Stoke City about the future policing of matches when we play in Greater Manchester. As Smudge says, to me the fact that they have done this indicates that (with very good reason) they are not confident of their legal ground. So far so good. What they have not yet done is to explicitly recognise that what they did was unlawful in a number of respects, or to agree to pay an appropriate level of damages for false imprisonment. Liberty will now request them to do that. We need the former to ensure that this never happens again. The fans involved should have the latter because that would be the right and just thing to do, although I know that money is not the main issue for any of them. A decision on proceeding with the judicial review will depend on GMPs response to this. The GMP review is fine, but, of course, it's the outcome of the review which matters. The latest GMP statement implies that all the other Stoke supporters there were there to cause trouble, and they have also said that the people in the pub included 56 'risk' supporters. The concept of a 'risk' supporter is an international police definition is which is widely and somewhat vaguely framed. We are told by the police nationally that there is no list of risk supporters as such; that police forces should continuously actively review risk supporters with a view to either getting evidence to put before a court or ceasing to regard them as risk supporters, and that the nature of the 'risk' should be assessed on an individual basis and any response should be appropriate to that risk. In short, the statement that there were 56 risk supporters there could mean almost anything. We have no access to that information and therefore cannot form a judgement on how accurate, relevant or reliable it is. You certainly cannot assume that the fact that there were allegedly 56 risk supporters there means that each and every one of them posed a risk of alcohol-related disorder on that occasion, which is the test required under Section 27. They also say that there were 3 supporters there who have banning orders. Assuming that it is true, I am not naive enough to believe that they were there for a quiet lunch before an afternoon shopping in the Trafford Centre. But it's irrelevant. We cannot have a situation where action against innocent ordinary supporters is regarded as acceptable collateral in a war against football hooliganism - not in this country at any rate. As an aside, what they did was illegal even against people with banning orders or people for whom they had good reason to believe they would cause alcohol-related disorder because the locality defined was not legal; S27 gives no power for them to transport anybody anywhere, only for them to direct the person to leave the locality, and they have no power to do anything once the person has left the locality ( 1.5 miles from Irlam along the A57). I appreciate the kind remarks, but there have been a number of people involved in this in the FSF, in Liberty and, of course, those who made the complaints, in particular Edwardhitler (Lyndon) who was prepared to be the guinea pig. As TP would no doubt say, it's been about a team all working aaaarrd ! And it's still only half -time. And there is also the little matter of doing the same for the Plymouth fans who were done in Doncaster. As Surrey Stokie says, the best thanks you can give me is to join the FSF which you can do at www.fsf.org.uk and, if you can afford, it, join Liberty as well. They've been brilliant. |
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