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Post by dunnerworry on Jan 4, 2009 15:04:41 GMT
We have definitely not seen the best of our central midfielders in particular Whelan and Olofinjana. It must be pretty frustrating to be a central midfielder in a team that plays the style that we do.
From what Sheff Wed and Wolves respectfully said about their players that left to come to us, I'm a big believer in their ability but is halted by our style.
It would be very interesting to see these guys being able to play the carpet football that most of us would love to see. If we are looking to get the quality of Ledley and co in our team then we need to change our style of play NOW.
Unfortunately I do not think that Pulis has the ability to change this and thats one of the reasons why I would like to see a change in manager.
From what I'm witnessing so far this season we WILL go down under Pulis so lets build for next year and if thats the gamble we have to take IMO we will be better off in May regardless what league we are in.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 4, 2009 15:06:45 GMT
if you sack TP now we will defo be relegated
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 4, 2009 15:07:23 GMT
You may have a point but my problem with Seyi is that if he was to be any good when he gets the ball to his feet you would think he would want to work a bit harder to try and win it back, instead of walking around the pitch in a day dream?
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Post by dunnerworry on Jan 4, 2009 15:08:30 GMT
if you sack TP now we will defo be relegated If we don't the IMO we will definitely be relegated |
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Post by danmase on Jan 4, 2009 15:09:34 GMT
We have definitely not seen the best of our central midfielders in particular Whelan and Olofinjana. It must be pretty frustrating to be a central midfielder in a team that plays the style that we do. From what Sheff Wed and Wolves respectfully said about their players that left to come to us, I'm a big believer in their ability but is halted by our style. It would be very interesting to see these guys being able to play the carpet football that most of us would love to see. If we are looking to get the quality of Ledley and co in our team then we need to change our style of play NOW. Unfortunately I do not think that Pulis has the ability to change this and thats one of the reasons why I would like to see a change in manager. From what I'm witnessing so far this season we WILL go down under Pulis so lets build for next year and if thats the gamble we have to take IMO we will be better off in May regardless what league we are in. we would get annihilated if we tried to play carpet football, and i for one don't want to watch it. Olofinjana and whelan just aren't good enough, the blame that Pulis takes for this is that he signed them and not for the tactics he employs. After all Salif Diao has done pretty well within the TP midfield and he's far more of a 'footballer' than both Oli and Whelan. |
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 4, 2009 15:10:25 GMT
This is the same TP who did the unthinkable and got us promoted why dont you get behind the man
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 4, 2009 15:11:22 GMT
well said mase
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Post by danmase on Jan 4, 2009 15:12:47 GMT
if you sack TP now we will defo be relegated If we don't the IMO we will definitely be relegated what makes you think that? Our league position isn't great but it isn't critical. There are 7 or 8 teams within our reach. our last two league performances have been very encouraging. There is the promise of new players. What were you honestly expecting from this season? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 15:14:59 GMT
If you watch the games, you'll see Seyi actually is decent on the ball retaining possession and can strike one if give chance. The way we play though (solid and very much not open) it's got to be Salif and Amdy right now, with the wingers (if we can find any) given chance to push on a bit. This will help when Lawrence get's back at right mid.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 4, 2009 15:15:08 GMT
I agree mase, any stoke fan would have taken 20 points at this stage in season
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Post by dunnerworry on Jan 4, 2009 15:16:46 GMT
I was tremendously impressed with the start that we had a reasonable squad available to pick from.
Now that we don't have that luxury with the injuries and suspensions Pulis needed (needs) to change his style to get the best out of his players.
Unfortunately he hasn't done that and that is why the results over the past 7 games have gone as a lot us have probably expected.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 4, 2009 15:18:06 GMT
long ball rules
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Jan 4, 2009 15:18:33 GMT
If you watch the games, you'll see Seyi actually is decent on the ball retaining possession and can strike one if give chance. The way we play though (solid and very much not open) it's got to be Salif and Amdy right now, with the wingers (if we can find any) given chance to push on a bit. This will help when Lawrence get's back at right mid. Can't agree fletch, I've seen every league game and he's been invisible in most. He has a good touch but he wanks out of tackles and his passing is more often than not useless. I can't recall him picking the ball up and running at the opposition and committing defenders at all either. He's been desperately disappointing to my mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 15:19:06 GMT
Spot on Dunnerwerrittmarmate, too many Stokies are hitting the panic button without looking at the bigger picture. Take King out of Hull's team, Defoe out of Portsmouth, etc etc and they'd be in the bottom 3 just like us.
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 4, 2009 15:19:43 GMT
spot on jamo, I also think olly is wank
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Post by dunnerworry on Jan 4, 2009 15:21:08 GMT
Before the season started I expected us to 'struggle' with the possible chance of staying up but now I've seen how overrated the Premiership is I think that we could be a settled mid-table side (but not if Pulis sticks to his ways).
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Post by potterspride88 on Jan 4, 2009 15:23:07 GMT
Stoke are similar to wimbledon when they were in prem and look how well they did. Long live the long ball!!
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Post by danmase on Jan 4, 2009 15:23:44 GMT
I was tremendously impressed with the start that we had a reasonable squad available to pick from. Now that we don't have that luxury with the injuries and suspensions Pulis needed (needs) to change his style to get the best out of his players. Unfortunately he hasn't done that and that is why the results over the past 7 games have gone as a lot us have probably expected. we don't have good enough players to play any other way, that is a failing of our transfer policy maybe, but it is every reason to stick to with our strategy. It amazes me that we win games inspite of the manager and his tactics and lose games because of them. |
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Post by danmase on Jan 4, 2009 15:26:00 GMT
Before the season started I expected us to 'struggle' with the possible chance of staying up but now I've seen how overrated the Premiership is I think that we could be a settled mid-table side (but not if Pulis sticks to his ways). Yeah but we only got promoted because the championship was so shit didn't we?  ??? |
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Post by dunnerworry on Jan 4, 2009 15:30:07 GMT
Before the season started I expected us to 'struggle' with the possible chance of staying up but now I've seen how overrated the Premiership is I think that we could be a settled mid-table side (but not if Pulis sticks to his ways). Yeah but we only got promoted because the championship was so shit didn't we? ??? Mase looks like we agree on something  |
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Post by stokemark on Jan 4, 2009 15:32:38 GMT
Mase is right Simply not good enough for the Premiership - Either of them Im afraid  |
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Post by melonhead on Jan 4, 2009 16:22:01 GMT
The stats dont lie
Amdy and Glen the best midfielders, seyi is not that far behind, Rory without his throws could be seen as the worst midfielder.
players name , assists, total passes, accuracy of passing
Seyi Olofinjana 0 341 71,0%
Rory Delap 3 327 67,6%
Salif Diao 0 285 77,2%
Amdy Faye 0 275 78,5%
Glenn Whelan 0 249 75,5%
Liam Lawrence 1 121 71,9%
Michael Tonge 0 84 79,8%
Tom Soares 0 80 63,8%
AND tackling
players name, attempted, successful tackles , interceptions
Rory Delap 45 66,7% 29
Amdy Faye 31 90,3% 14
Salif Diao 29 82,8% 14
Seyi Olofinjana 28 85,7% 23
Glenn Whelan 10 100,0% 9
Liam Lawrence 9 66,7% 4
Tom Soares 4 75,0% 3
Michael Tonge 3 66,7% 2
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 4, 2009 16:24:34 GMT
interesting stats melonhead
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Post by DelapsWankingArm on Jan 4, 2009 17:57:08 GMT
Stoke are similar to wimbledon when they were in prem and look how well they did. Long live the long ball!! and look where they are now  |
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Post by stonestokie! on Jan 4, 2009 17:59:24 GMT
The stats dont lie Amdy and Glen the best midfielders, seyi is not that far behind, Rory without his throws could be seen as the worst midfielder. players name , assists, total passes, accuracy of passing Seyi Olofinjana 0 341 71,0% Rory Delap 3 327 67,6% Salif Diao 0 285 77,2% Amdy Faye 0 275 78,5% Glenn Whelan 0 249 75,5% Liam Lawrence 1 121 71,9% Michael Tonge 0 84 79,8% Tom Soares 0 80 63,8% AND tackling players name, attempted, successful tackles , interceptions Rory Delap 45 66,7% 29 Amdy Faye 31 90,3% 14 Salif Diao 29 82,8% 14 Seyi Olofinjana 28 85,7% 23 Glenn Whelan 10 100,0% 9 Liam Lawrence 9 66,7% 4 Tom Soares 4 75,0% 3 Michael Tonge 3 66,7% 2 exactly, let's just keep the faith with them! |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 18:00:41 GMT
Before the season started I expected us to 'struggle' with the possible chance of staying up but now I've seen how overrated the Premiership is I think that we could be a settled mid-table side (but not if Pulis sticks to his ways). Sorry but 17th place would constitute a good season. Even though it's been a tight league with some surprises, the fact remains that the majority of teams in this league ARE better than us, and that we are minnows in this league. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2009 18:01:56 GMT
Stoke are similar to wimbledon when they were in prem and look how well they did. Long live the long ball!! and look where they are now What's your point? |
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Post by viewfromthecrowsnest on Jan 4, 2009 18:05:08 GMT
Wimbledon screwed up because of 1 disastrous season under that Norwegian manager. He tried to get em to change to carpet football and he was not the character to keep the 'crazy gang' mentality up. Up to then with Fat Joe K, they had been the prime example of how long ball can work.
Change the formula, the team go down. So TP as got to stick to what he knows. He's a first-timer in the Prem and changing formulas is just wayyyy to risky.
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