Whining -bleating & ritual slaughter stopped yet?

[Deleted]

Yep I'm disappointed too

a poor, poor day for stoke -even in a cup I don't particularly care for

IF anything it does show our limitations all too clearly though and Pulis isn't daft (contrary to some opinion) so, it cant be too bad a thing

Players who played today were shown up for what they are - and seeing Parkin 'really having a go' against Liverpool also makes you wonder about the obvious.---------

Anyways, I'll come back when the board isn't plastered with the usual predictable rubbish and negativity (as it is right now)

And, when people start to think with their heads and not their arsewholes - again .

[johnnysoul60]

only worry is mate he has signed all these players and we have paid way over the odds for some very average players, we needed a good solid job from them today after the circus antics at upton park and they were woeful .I cant think of one stoke player who did a professional job today, maybe simmo but nobody else and having got up at the crack of dawn to go I am pissed off at us being a laughing stock for the second game running because of our players

[Deleted]

In the media - nobody seems to give a runing fuck presently because there were even bigger shocks about

our lads got to get their act together for next week though - and no mistake !

[swampySCFC]

Jan 3, 2009 20:07:01 GMT johnnysoul60 said:

only worry is mate he has signed all these players and we have paid way over the odds for some very average players, we needed a good solid job from them today after the circus antics at upton park and they were woeful .I cant think of one stoke player who did a professional job today, maybe simmo but nobody else and having got up at the crack of dawn to go I am pissed off at us being a laughing stock for the second game running because of our players

I'll second that one. Not one for all the anti Pulis hysteria but somebody needs to carry the can for that embarrassing display.

Spoilt my weekend and its time somebody stood up to be counted

[A-teen_six_T3]

did you go today tony, did he see the complete lack of effort and skill and ability our players showed...barring Ryan shawcross

[PMac]

What about the 700 odd supporters who went to the game today though?

Surely they are entitled to show some frustration and anger at what they were shown by our team today?

It's not just the defeat - it's the manner of the defeat and the fact that we are now worried for our survival in a League that took us 23 years to get into?

[monkeycat]

If we were to get anything from the Liverpool game, same people will be on saying we are going to stay up and it is important to stick with Pulis!!!!

If you type "knee jerk reaction" in google, it brings up this site

[stokesyboy01]

I never slag of TP, i pay my hard earned money for my season ticket, trudge my way to some of the away game i can afford to attend, absolutely delighted we are in the Premier League, however as a mere mortal that has followed Stoke since the late 60's i am getting slightly worried, that as most of us can see we are in one sentence, playing crap.

This will ultimately result in our relegation from the Premier League,
we need changes within our playing structure and personnel i just hope that TP See's it as we all do.

[PMac]

No, it brings this site up

www.kneejerkreaction.co.uk

So should we say nothing about the current state of affairs and be satisfied that our Manager has spent 20 MILLION pounds (more than ever in the 146 year history of the club) to be in this situation with the World watching and laughing at us?

[GrandStokie]

Jan 3, 2009 20:14:48 GMT monkeycat said:

If we were to get anything from the Liverpool game, same people will be on saying we are going to stay up and it is important to stick with Pulis!!!!

If you type "knee jerk reaction" in google, it brings up this site

So our recent slump in form is a knee jerk reaction? And with a manager who gives up the game with almost half of it left does nothing to raise even an eyebrow from you.

[westendstokie]

ukyestony - I've been very selective on which thread I use my 1st post on and it's yours. I admire your support and loyalty and as a regular since 1970 I fully understand where you are coming from.

Unfortunately from the moment the final whistle went against Leicester we were always up against it. Obvious I know but in reality Pulis got us out of a shite league with much perspiration and a small amount of inspiration.

Sadly that style hasn't changed. That said I firmly believe we got through thae first 15 games or so on sheer adrenaline and a bit of Fuller magic but then we hit the wall and that has exposed the lack of a plan B.

Chickens have come home to roost and the players he's bought either aren't being used to their best abilities or they just ain't good enough as today plainly proves in some cases.

Ever since the beginning of May, talk of Stoke maybe/probably getting relegated has been banned in all local media, like the truth that dare not speak it's name. Anyone who knows me would agree that I've been tipping us for relegation from the end of last season even though it gives me no pleasure to do so.

Face facts, despite a surprisingly (to me) high points total our Championship style hasn't changed. I bumped into an old mate at Blackburn who told me he'd been to 5 away games this season and not seen us score. I'd told him I'd been to 4 and seen an OG at Boro. Lucky me eh? Even though we have more points than Derby got last season I can't believe they were as limited and one dimentional than we are.

To suggest we will put it right next week v Liverpool is stretching fantasy a bit I'd say. Can I humbly suggest you take of the rose tinted specs and see the situation for what it is.

Regretably I think we're down already but am willing to be persueded otherwise.

I'm no Pulis fan but believe he deserves the season here but he has to be bloody good in January.

[serpico]

Jan 3, 2009 20:14:48 GMT monkeycat said:

If we were to get anything from the Liverpool game, same people will be on saying we are going to stay up and it is important to stick with Pulis!!!!

If you type "knee jerk reaction" in google, it brings up this site

???

no it doesn't


;D

[monkeycat]

Well a lot of those supposedly laughing at us would cut their right arms off to be where we are, in the Premier League.

We are going through a bad spell, we always were going to in this league. As for the way we are playing, I would prefer us to be playing some tidy passing football, but TP has worked out how he best thinks we can survive in this league, and most agreed with it when we were beating Arsenal, Villa, and Spurs.

Todays result was a joke, and I aren't against people expressing being unhappy with that, us supporters are spending a hell of a lot of money following our team, but to call for TP to be sacked is just beyond me.

I go to every Stoke game with the knowledge that our team has a limited amount of ability compared to most squads in our league, but I always have the hope that we can get something out of every game, if that goes, there seems little point in going anymore.

[PMac]

On the Pulis to be sacked thread, the vast majority have said "No" they don't want him sacked.

I agree with that - Tony should see this season through at the very least. HE did get us here and appears to have lost the team spirit and fight the side had so much of last season.

That twinned with the 20 million we all hoped would ensure us safety is coming apart before our very eyes with our current run of form.

People are right when they say "If we beat Liverpool or Chelsea then we'd be happy again" but A) That won't happen and B) If it did they're purely bonus points.
We need to WIN games against teams around us - which means the levels of expectation are raised because teams around us are deemed beatable?

When we fail to win - it ends in disappointment and anger because this division is so very precious to those clubs playing in it.

.... at a guess

[victoriaboothenboy]

Only a few years ago the likes of Port Vale and Crewe were laughing at us because they were on a level par with us. Can we at least accept that that minor problem has been corrected. Getting into Europe might take a bit longer

[PMac]

Jan 3, 2009 20:37:21 GMT victoriaboothenboy said:

Only a few years ago the likes of Port Vale and Crewe were laughing at us because they were on a level par with us. Can we at least accept that that minor problem has been corrected. Getting into Europe might take a bit longer

Yes it has been corrected BUT - and a relevant "but" mate - IF we were to go back down at our first attempt of Premiership life, these clubs would and could laugh even louder at us.

The saying "The higher you are the harder you fall" springs to mind.

But d'ya know what mate - you're right! We ARE in the Prem and all we need to do is get one more point than anyone in the bottom three and WE HAVE SUCCESS!

I'd replace the FA Cup / Carling Cup / European Cup to see Stoke in the top flight every week against some of the best teams in the world.

Cup success can be forgotten (sometimes )

[trebor63]

I don't particularly care about the FA cup it is now sadly a nothing competition. Yet another chunk of footballing history killed by the £££.

And YES I did go today and yes although I'm not bothered about the FA cup I am bothered about our woeful inept display. If we had gone out and Hartlepool had done a backs to the wall defensive job and beat us with a lucky strike I could accept it.

I can always accept Stoke losing without getting hysterical (as some people do) but today was embarrassing we were atrocious it was like something from the Ball - Kamara - Kevan - Boskamp eras. We were useless

The manner in which we got beat is very worrying and maybe only those of us mugs that witnessed it can really understand just how pathetic we were were.

Things could change and I think they will but to think them players picked up about £15,000 each for that performance makes me feel a bit sick

[PMac]

Jan 3, 2009 20:42:49 GMT trebor63 said:

I don't particularly care about the FA cup it is now sadly a nothing competition. Yet another chunk of footballing history killed by the £££.

And YES I did go today and yes although I'm not bothered about the FA cup I am bothered about our woeful inept display. If we had gone out and Hartlepool had done a backs to the wall defensive job and beat us with a lucky strike I could accept it.

I can always accept Stoke losing without getting hysterical (as some people do) but today was embarrassing we were atrocious it was like something from the Ball - Kamara - Kevan - Boskamp eras. We were useless

The manner in which we got beat is very worrying and maybe only those of us mugs that witnessed it can really understand just how pathetic we were were.

Things could change and I think they will but to think them players picked up about £15,000 each for that performance makes me feel a bit sick

And I rest my case

[monkeycat]

If we can get even just a couple of points from January's fixtures, and get some of the players TP is targetting in during this window, I still think we have a cracking chance of staying up.

You are right P-Mac, that we need to pick up points from the teams around us, so far we have beaten Brazil, Spurs, Sunderland, and a point away at Castle, although have lost to Blackburn, Boro, and West Ham. Our run from Feb onwards gives us the opportunity to pick up points off these teams and that will ultimately decide our fate.....here's hoping

[PMac]

Jan 3, 2009 20:47:10 GMT monkeycat said:

If we can get even just a couple of points from January's fixtures, and get some of the players TP is targetting in during this window, I still think we have a cracking chance of staying up.

You are right P-Mac, that we need to pick up points from the teams around us, so far we have beaten Brazil, Spurs, Sunderland, and a point away at Castle, although have lost to Blackburn, Boro, and West Ham. Our run from Feb onwards gives us the opportunity to pick up points off these teams and that will ultimately decide our fate.....here's hoping

And - to add to that Monkeycat - Here's hoping we have a fully fit squad to select for those games in particular.

Maybe we will see things happen when Mama is fit and Liam get's back to where he left off last season?

Then there could be new additions in Jan?

I feel a "little" better as I head down for me tea... cheers lads

[davejohnno1]

I wouldn't say it was hysterical to wonder why our team, that cost some £13.5m (discounting the arrival of two subs with a combined transfer value of over 7m) failed to beat a team two divisions lower and who in their last outing got stuffed 4-1 at home to Crewe Alexander.

I would say it is perfectly reasonable to question whether we are going about things in the right way, particularly in light of our run of only 1 win in 10 games, 4 defeats on the trot and zero goals in our last 5 fixtures.

[monkeycat]

Jan 3, 2009 20:50:18 GMT PMac said:

Jan 3, 2009 20:47:10 GMT monkeycat said:

If we can get even just a couple of points from January's fixtures, and get some of the players TP is targetting in during this window, I still think we have a cracking chance of staying up.

You are right P-Mac, that we need to pick up points from the teams around us, so far we have beaten Brazil, Spurs, Sunderland, and a point away at Castle, although have lost to Blackburn, Boro, and West Ham. Our run from Feb onwards gives us the opportunity to pick up points off these teams and that will ultimately decide our fate.....here's hoping

And - to add to that Monkeycat - Here's hoping we have a fully fit squad to select for those games in particular.

Maybe we will see things happen when Mama is fit and Liam get's back to where he left off last season?

Then there could be new additions in Jan?

I feel a "little" better as I head down for me tea... cheers lads

That bit about Mama is spot on. The strategy, Plan A, whatever you want to call it that TP has decided is our best chance at survival is so dependent on Mama playing, because we have no one else who can do the pivotal role he does. Fuller looks a different player when Mama plays, the sooner he is back the better.

I certainly appreciate that a justified criticism of TP is that there appears to be no effective plan b, and no real effective plan a when Mama is out

But lets keep positive and see what the transfer window brings us

[ohwhenthereds]

Agree with trebor about the money,but we gave the world champs a game and should have gone on to beat west ham.Pulis has to look at the fringe players and admit they aint good enuf,and make sure he doesnt sign players at midnight on transfer deadline day.We have a tough jan,but if we can nick some some points we can look forward to the rest of the season providing we can get most of our players fit and with some signings.

[bert]

i think these uefa coaching licenses that premier league managers need to have are the bees knees. they really set them apart from other managers. ;D

[bunnyscfc]

"What about the 700 odd supporters who went to the game today though?"

The key thing there - 700. Congrats and dfoofs cap to all 700, but that's p*** poor for the cup, and says volumes about what Stoke fans think about the manager and team away from home.

[Davef]

Jan 3, 2009 20:29:03 GMT westendstokie said:

ukyestony - I've been very selective on which thread I use my 1st post on and it's yours. I admire your support and loyalty and as a regular since 1970 I fully understand where you are coming from.

Unfortunately from the moment the final whistle went against Leicester we were always up against it. Obvious I know but in reality Pulis got us out of a shite league with much perspiration and a small amount of inspiration.

Sadly that style hasn't changed. That said I firmly believe we got through thae first 15 games or so on sheer adrenaline and a bit of Fuller magic but then we hit the wall and that has exposed the lack of a plan B.

Chickens have come home to roost and the players he's bought either aren't being used to their best abilities or they just ain't good enough as today plainly proves in some cases.

Ever since the beginning of May, talk of Stoke maybe/probably getting relegated has been banned in all local media, like the truth that dare not speak it's name. Anyone who knows me would agree that I've been tipping us for relegation from the end of last season even though it gives me no pleasure to do so.

Face facts, despite a surprisingly (to me) high points total our Championship style hasn't changed. I bumped into an old mate at Blackburn who told me he'd been to 5 away games this season and not seen us score. I'd told him I'd been to 4 and seen an OG at Boro. Lucky me eh? Even though we have more points than Derby got last season I can't believe they were as limited and one dimentional than we are.

To suggest we will put it right next week v Liverpool is stretching fantasy a bit I'd say. Can I humbly suggest you take of the rose tinted specs and see the situation for what it is.

Regretably I think we're down already but am willing to be persueded otherwise.

I'm no Pulis fan but believe he deserves the season here but he has to be bloody good in January.

Good first post westendstokie, with plenty of sentiments a lot of Stokies would agree with, I'm sure.

[Deleted]

trebor i totally agree with everything you put mate and i too was there today even booking a holiday to go, mad or what?

[Deleted]

I'VE BEEN COMING SINCE 1970 TOO and No, I didnt go today.(could not see the point really)

One thing that is consistent though, is the thought in my mind since the moment we got promoted, that we might easily get relegated our first season back.

Twenty points to Christmas didn't even change that opinion,

neither does today's poor, poor result.

More worrying from my viewpoint is recent form in the league and fixtures to come in the very short term.

We really needed points in the run up to Christmas i.e against Hull, Fulham and Blackburn -THAT'S where the problems started.

But through the hysteria and the bullshit sometimes you have to lose to learn about your team.

I Would be VERY surprised indeed if Pulis isn't thinking real hard tonight about what he needs to do to turn this round and , crucially, how he might need to change his playing staff in the the very short term.

I for one am worried presently too - but wont panic- and from past history - neither will our club.

The fans will do though because we - particularLy many on here are the most fickle, disloyal, backbiting pathetic bunch I can possibly imagine -again a longstanding and unpopular opinion I have again, carried for quite sometime.

We even had dip shits on P&G last night calling for Fuller to be transfer listed after the 'handbags at dawn incident' - hes an idiot for sure and, needs fining heavily and a final warning about his behaviour but, people were so hysterical in SOT even before today IT WASNT TRUE and the predictably negative reaction

absolute Manna from heaven for the likes of spiderman hudsongod and their sad pathetic ilk.

Tonight again, reading here, only serves to confirm to me many 'supporter's aren't worth a damn light when it comes to ACTUALLY supporting their own club. (imho)

Id like to think many of then are actually part of the 10,000+ or so new fans who've mysteriously turned up since our average gates were only about 13,500 but one year ago.

And, thats why i get quite annoyed and vociferous on here and even on the radio too - (P&G last night.)

I keep going back to the fixtures and reckon we need to win about 7 more games to stay up

and that remains well within our capability - even as we stand

(IMHO)

And yes if yove gone today and they were that bad your entitled to a rant - but AGAIN, some of the stuff people have actually bothered to think through and type - (and from many who probably didnt go either) is rubbish quite frankly, I wouldnt wipe my arse on -for what value it adds.

Dont forget

4th FROM BOTTOM WOULD ALSO CONSTITUTE A VERY SUCCESSFUL SEASON FOR STOKE CITY - 'MY CLUB' 'MY TEAM' - DONT FORGET THAT

And, if we go down -well we would be well positoned to bounce back - not that i would want to see this BUT THIS POSSIBILTY always existed

So engage your brains and, get behind the bloomin club - for pity's sake

[altair]

A Cup you don't particularly care for?! What utter, utter bollox. Try telling that to all of us who were ready to commit suicide after the semis in '71 and 72.

[sutekh]

Also tony,after todays performance its hard to see where one win will come from never mind seven.