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Post by daverichards on Jan 1, 2009 15:55:55 GMT
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Post by tpsoldboysclub on Jan 1, 2009 15:58:01 GMT
you are such an arse licker dave ;D
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Post by tazi on Jan 1, 2009 16:03:40 GMT
Whilst i dont condone what Fuller did to Griffin i dont condone what Griffin supposedly said to Fuller too.
Unfortunately some people have very short tempers and whilst most might be able to restrain themselves when provoked there is a small percentage that will simply blow up, that doesn't make it right but that's life i'm affraid.
Depending on what Griffin actually said 'someone said he called Fuller a monkey', then if this is true then in my opinion it can be understood why Fuller reacted in the spur of the moment that he did.
Personally speaking if this is true then no matter what time of day or wherever it is then he fully deserves a smack.
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Post by daverichards on Jan 1, 2009 16:06:08 GMT
tazi: are you insinuating that Griff racially abused Fuller ? I find that hard to believe on many many levels , not least that I think he would have been ripped limb from limb by our #25
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Post by tazi on Jan 1, 2009 16:08:57 GMT
tazi: are you insinuating that Griff racially abused Fuller ? I find that hard to believe on many many levels , not least that I think he would have been ripped limb from limb by our #25 Someone mentioned on another thread that this is what was said. Same as i say i do not know how true this is, or if there is any truth in the matter at all. Just doesn't seem right that Fuller should be simply made to look the real villian in all of this because he was obviously riled no matter what was said. |
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Post by daverichards on Jan 1, 2009 16:19:37 GMT
tazi: unless Griff has used that kind of language, which I must say I VERY much doubt, then Fuller is the real villian, he was the one that was being disrespectful, he was the one gobbing off at his captain, he was the one that raised his hands and struck HIS captain. So grif walked towards him, saying summat to him that we don't know.
As the captain I'd expect him not to back down and be gobbed off at by anyone, and to be telling them to get back to where they should be, shut the fuck up, get their head back in the game, and get on with their own fucking job.
If Griff had let fuller carry on gobbing off at him, with no response, he may as well have chucked the captains arm band on the floor, weather he is ideal as the captain is immaterial, he did exactly what a captain should have done, which was not allow fuller to challenge his authority and be disrespectful towards him. Trouble is whatever was said has escalated the problem, and I doubt we will ever know.
I expect Griffs "punishment" will be to be striped of the captaincy, what this tells us about what was actually said is anyones guess, but i doubt very much he would still be at the club if their was anything in these claims he called Fuller a monkey
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2009 16:23:18 GMT
I know Griff via a friend of a friend (who happens to be black) & theres no way in a million years Griff would ever consider saying such crap. He's a quiet fella who gets on with everyone he meets. There really is some bollocks posted on here at times  |
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Post by PottersBrim on Jan 1, 2009 16:26:05 GMT
I'm not quite sure why people are so desperate for a 'public' apology. I can't see what would be achieved other than embarrassing Fuller and continuing to draw the whole episode out.
If Fuller comes back firing and scoring goals that is all the apology I need.
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Post by swampySCFC on Jan 1, 2009 16:41:02 GMT
I am mildly surprised at Smudge's moral stance on this.
I dont see where slapping Tony Pulis comes in to it. slaping the Captain in the heat of the moment isnt the same as slapping the boss.
I understand the authority bit but nobody really knows what was said and the best thing for the club would be to get on with it otherwise we are in danger of drifting along in turmoil.
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Post by Ghostface on Jan 1, 2009 16:47:22 GMT
Swampy, great picture  And an absolutely stonking story..... |
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Post by NassauDave on Jan 1, 2009 16:48:44 GMT
In his Sky Sports interview, Ric was quite arrogant and stated that Griff had disrespected him! The fact is that Fuller was the one approaching and giving Griff the verbals. It's just unbelievable that Fuller hasn't yet sincerely held his hand up to this embarrassing cock up. Instead Fuller stated that perhaps he does too much for Stoke City! Bloody incredible, and very sad.  |
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Post by tony harrison on Jan 1, 2009 17:49:30 GMT
tazi: unless Griff has used that kind of language, which I must say I VERY much doubt, then Fuller is the real villian, he was the one that was being disrespectful, he was the one gobbing off at his captain, he was the one that raised his hands and struck HIS captain. So grif walked towards him, saying summat to him that we don't know. As the captain I'd expect him not to back down and be gobbed off at by anyone, and to be telling them to get back to where they should be, shut the fuck up, get their head back in the game, and get on with their own fucking job. If Griff had let fuller carry on gobbing off at him, with no response, he may as well have chucked the captains arm band on the floor, weather he is ideal as the captain is immaterial, he did exactly what a captain should have done, which was not allow fuller to challenge his authority and be disrespectful towards him. Trouble is whatever was said has escalated the problem, and I doubt we will ever know. I expect Griffs "punishment" will be to be striped of the captaincy, what this tells us about what was actually said is anyones guess, but i doubt very much he would still be at the club if their was anything in these claims he called Fuller a monkey Totally agree, it is down to the captain being the captain and the other players having respect for the captain. Thanks Ilford for the info for getting to West Ham and parking etc, worked out very well. |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 1, 2009 17:50:37 GMT
There's absolutely no grey areas in this - Fuller was an absolute prick, end of!!
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Post by stokeycokey on Jan 1, 2009 18:06:11 GMT
Must admit that after listening to the match on Radio Stoke I was for kicking Riccy straight out of the door. However after seeing the incident on MOTD I think he was right doing what he did. In fact he should have given Griff a bloody good thumping instead of a girly slap.
I have never seen such lily livered defending in all my life. Not only did Griff turn his back on the ball he must have done it with his eyes closed because he obviously had no idea the ball had fallen at his feet.
For a professional footballer, particularly a defender, to turn his back on the ball is inexcusable but Griff seems to make a habit of this - most notably the last minute penalty he gave away against Derby.
Riccy has since apologised to the club and it's supporters. I haven't heard anything similar from Griff. It's Griff who should be fined two weeks wages and should only play when we have no other option.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2009 18:07:35 GMT
Must admit that after listening to the match on Radio Stoke I was for kicking Riccy straight out of the door. However after seeing the incident on MOTD I think he was right doing what he did. In fact he should have given Griff a bloody good thumping instead of a girly slap. I have never seen such lily livered defending in all my life. Not only did Griff turn his back on the ball he must have done it with his eyes closed because he obviously had no idea the ball had fallen at his feet. For a professional footballer, particularly a defender, to turn his back on the ball is inexcusable but Griff seems to make a habit of this - most notably the last minute penalty he gave away against Derby. Riccy has since apologised to the club and it's supporters. I haven't heard anything similar from Griff. It's Griff who should be fined two weeks wages and should only play when we have no other option. He has done this on quite a few occasions this season too  |
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Post by trebor63 on Jan 1, 2009 18:13:27 GMT
I think the Sentinel article was very good and I pretty much agree with it all. After the West Ham match I was absolutely disgusted with Fuller and although I've calmed down since then I still aren't convinced about the incident being over.
Fuller didn't seem particularly sincere in his apology (if that what it was)to me but I hope we move on even stronger after this incident and whether that is with or without Fuller, only time will tell.
I think by the end of Jan we'll be firmly in the bottom three BUT we'll have played Liverpool Chelsea and the Shit home and away and we'll have only played four teams twice!
February March and April are littered with winnable games and we only need to find six or seven and we should be fine January will be tough but so long as it doesn't break the team spirit or the spirit and passion of the crowd, we'll be ok
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2009 18:14:23 GMT
It was never a sending that's why I defended it so easily. And a part of me says Griff deserved a slap for some woeful defending. It was wrong but it was never a sending off and I think a few people couldn't wait to turn Fuller into a villain. Every week people slate him even if he's played well and its pathetic. The disgrace of that day was some of the out of order and damn right disgraceful comments on here.
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Post by tazi on Jan 1, 2009 19:06:19 GMT
Fullers comments of perhaps he does too much for Stoke City surely derive from the situation that he now finds nimself in.
Not meant to be cocky by Fuller i dont think.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2009 19:09:10 GMT
Tazi-they derive from the fact he ploughs a lone furrow up front and us winning and scoring usually rests on his shoulders. Fuller is petulant and does do stupid things. We have to put up with though until we get a player in who can replace him. Hence why it was so easy for me to forgive.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2009 19:12:51 GMT
question:
if someone told you before the game that a Stoke player would hit a teammate would anybody have put their money on anyone other than Fuller?
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Post by boscfc on Jan 1, 2009 19:21:53 GMT
"There's absolutely no grey areas in this - Fuller was an absolute prick, end of!!"
.. and Griffin showed exemplary captaincy skills??
do me a favour.
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Post by lordb on Jan 1, 2009 19:23:39 GMT
you know I'm beginning to think Griff would get more/any respect if he had hit Fuller back.
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Post by GazMcNicol on Jan 1, 2009 19:24:38 GMT
Must admit that after listening to the match on Radio Stoke I was for kicking Riccy straight out of the door. However after seeing the incident on MOTD I think he was right doing what he did. In fact he should have given Griff a bloody good thumping instead of a girly slap. I have never seen such lily livered defending in all my life. Not only did Griff turn his back on the ball he must have done it with his eyes closed because he obviously had no idea the ball had fallen at his feet. For a professional footballer, particularly a defender, to turn his back on the ball is inexcusable but Griff seems to make a habit of this - most notably the last minute penalty he gave away against Derby. Riccy has since apologised to the club and it's supporters. I haven't heard anything similar from Griff. It's Griff who should be fined two weeks wages and should only play when we have no other option. He has done this on quite a few occasions this season too I don't know what the opposite of rose tinted spectacles is, but you 2 seem to be looking thru them! Yes he turned his back, but did actually try to clear the ball, and it hit Cole on the arm, and dropped for him to turn and score! (Watch it again, you'll see!) Against Derby, well for me, he jumped to stop the ball being crossed in, and unfortunately it hit his arm. Could've happened against ANYONE! The fact is plain and simple (and still a fact) that Griffin didn't go running 35 yards towards Fuller, they WALKED towards each other, it was plain to see that Fuller had fire in his belly by the way Whelan(?) stood in front of him, and at no point, as stated by other Stoke "fans" that they all turned on Griffin, you'll see quite clearly Shawcross simply shepherd Griff away. There, got it off my chest! |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2009 19:29:48 GMT
"It is true that Griff was partly at fault for West Ham’s equaliser," Understatement of the year!  Partly? Other than turning his back on it, and then missing 200 chances to clear yes he was partly to blame! |
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Post by daverichards on Jan 1, 2009 19:36:57 GMT
"," Understatement of the year! Partly? Other than turning his back on it, and then missing 200 chances to clear yes he was partly to blame! That depends on if you are on a griff witch hunt or not. If you are, you will claim he royally fucked up and failed to make a clearance. then fell over and allowed their player a clean shot at goal If you aren't then you will acknowledge he made the clearance, but was unlucky it struck the attacking player, and fell nicely for him, and that as griff had fell over backwards whilst making the clearance the player had an easy chance |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2009 19:40:32 GMT
Dave the clearance is irrelevant. He turned his back on the ball when it came in. You should never, ever, ever, ever turn Your back on the ball and I can't understand why he did. I'm on no witch hunt and I think Griff has had a good season and in fact he's impressed me. But that was a shcoking piece of defending. The ball came in and he tried to header it with his back-what the fook is that all about?
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Post by tazi on Jan 1, 2009 19:41:45 GMT
Derives from the fact that he's full of passion and commitment which is something that could ever be knocked after witnessing some of the shite that's being served up over the years.
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Post by stokelad84 on Jan 1, 2009 20:41:34 GMT
Its not like Fuller ever falls over is it...
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 1, 2009 20:45:57 GMT
I don't give a shite he fell over. Why did he turn his back on it? Makes no sense.
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Post by boothenpaddock86 on Jan 1, 2009 23:48:02 GMT
I don't give a shite he fell over. Why did he turn his back on it? Makes no sense. it was agreat goal tho  |
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And an absolutely stonking story.....
Partly? Other than turning his back on it, and then missing 200 chances to clear yes he was partly to blame! 
