|
Post by stokieinthesouth on Dec 19, 2008 12:51:25 GMT
|
|
|
Post by viiistokieviii on Dec 19, 2008 12:58:56 GMT
Manucho mentioed there as well on a loan deal, would love to see that take place, seen him a few times, looks quality.
Whether Ledley is worth that much money i don't know ??? but i trust Tone and i don't think he would spend that kind of money if he wasn't sure (Kitson aside, although i think he will prove his worth in the coming games)
Welcome to the Brit Joe ;D (Hopefully)
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2008 13:01:47 GMT
Just been reading that and I stated after his agent last month mentioned that there would be no move to Stoke that he would indeed be playing for us
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Dec 19, 2008 13:13:23 GMT
|
|
|
Post by serpico on Dec 19, 2008 13:14:01 GMT
7m that's staggering, but I'd be reasonably happy with Ledley and Manucho. This guy rates Manucho
|
|
|
Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 19, 2008 13:14:53 GMT
are we offering that sort of money? crikey, I rate Ledley but I dont rate him that highly! £7mill for the Zigic fund or maybe a sneaky one for Kevin Davies?
|
|
|
Post by DentySCFC on Dec 19, 2008 13:18:59 GMT
£7m for an over-hyped Danny Pugh? Jesus H. Christ. We need a fooking winger not another CM/LM with no pace whatsoever.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Dec 19, 2008 13:24:03 GMT
£7m for an over-hyped Danny Pugh? Jesus H. Christ. We need a fooking winger not another CM/LM with no pace whatsoever. overhyped Danny Pugh ;D That pretty much would be my take on it too, Denty. Although I'd concede he's probably better than Pugh, in as much as he looks less like Frodo from Lord of the Rings. But he is Welsh. I just hope TP hasn't got his Fatal Attraction obsessive head on, and views it rationally? Joe Ledley £7m Ledley Joe £7m £7m Joe Ledley However you spin it , it's laughable.
|
|
|
Post by viiistokieviii on Dec 19, 2008 13:24:13 GMT
I'd be happy with Ledley, but i have to agree i'd like to see Davies or Zigic here.
Ledley deal is more likely though.
|
|
|
Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2008 13:27:26 GMT
£7m for an over-hyped Danny Pugh? Jesus H. Christ. We need a fooking winger not another CM/LM with no pace whatsoever. overhyped Danny Pugh ;D That pretty much would be my take on it too, Denty. Although I'd concede he's probably better than Pugh, in as much as he looks less like Frodo from Lord of the Rings. But he is Welsh. I just hope TP hasn't got his Fatal Attraction obsessive head on, and views it rationally? Joe Ledley £7m Ledley Joe £7m £7m Joe Ledley However you spin it , it's laughable. you forgot Joe £7m Ledley....Makes all the difference
|
|
|
Post by Homzy on Dec 19, 2008 13:37:44 GMT
All I'll say regarding the fee is what I say about every deal we do: The money is not coming out of our pockets so if Tony Pulis and Peter Coates think a player is worth x amount then who are we to argue.
I don't worry about what we're paying if a player is going to improve our side and that is definitely the case with Ledley. No doubt the 7m will be structured anyway.
|
|
|
Post by serpico on Dec 19, 2008 13:38:01 GMT
Well he must have something, surely ? Arsenal and Everton have both been linked with him, although I'm not sure how credible the Arsenal link is, but David Moyes is usually no mug when it comes to picking the cream of the championship, Chaill/Lesscott and to a lesser extent Jagielka, Baines, so Ledley must have something going for him ??? ... but I must say, if we're paying 7m for a championship player, you hope it would be for a player who is literally tearing up that league, which he doesn't exactly seem to be doing.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Dec 19, 2008 13:38:55 GMT
All I'll say regarding the fee is what I say about every deal we do: The money is not coming out of our pockets so if Tony Pulis and Peter Coates think a player is worth x amount then who are we to argue. I don't worry about what we're paying if a player is going to improve our side and that is definitely the case with Ledley. No doubt the 7m will be structured anyway. Homzy, is this one of your stories? Are you confident it's true?
|
|
|
Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 19, 2008 13:41:06 GMT
As Homzy said, £7mill is not our money. It's good too see we are competing and not doing what Derby did last year by bringing in dross like Eddie Lewis and Robbie Savage.
We cannot argue the fact that £7mill is a ludicrous sum, but unfortunately we are dealing with Mr Corrupt himself, Peter Ridsdale, TP obviously badly wants Ledley, so Im behind him. Hopefully the Ledley deal would be a catalyst into bringing other new faces in.
|
|
|
Post by Homzy on Dec 19, 2008 13:41:27 GMT
It is one of my stories, yeah. Let's just see what happens.
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2008 13:43:22 GMT
But for a bloke out of contract in the summer. Who from when I've seen him has been anonymous, 7 million is a hell of a lot of money. 4 million would be decent but 6/7 million seems ott.
|
|
|
Post by Homzy on Dec 19, 2008 13:44:57 GMT
He's out of contract next summer, not this one coming Bayern.
I don't think anyone could argue it's a lot to pay but he's certainly got the potential to be worth a lot more than that so he would be a good investment providing we stay up.
|
|
|
Post by march4 on Dec 19, 2008 13:47:20 GMT
Possibility Kevin Davies could be on the move to Blackburn. I know that there is the draw of Big Sam at Blackburn, but Kevin Davies is even better in the Sidibe role than Mama himself. If we could somehow bring him in it would assure our survival.
|
|
|
Post by Alvechurch Assassin on Dec 19, 2008 13:48:09 GMT
It looks to me like we set the marker for Ledley with our ridiculous last minute 7m offer for him in the Summer. Ridsdale has taken this as his worth in the current market. 4m tops, which I think was our original offer.
|
|
|
Post by FullerMagic on Dec 19, 2008 13:49:48 GMT
He's out of contract next summer, not this one coming Bayern. I don't think anyone could argue it's a lot to pay but he's certainly got the potential to be worth a lot more than that so he would be a good investment providing we stay up. A lot of the Cardiff fans don't seem to think he's as good as the hype machine would suggest though. And that's despite the kudos you get from being a youth product, local boy etc. And his lack of pace is a major concern. I know he's been a Championship 'one-to-watch' over the last 2-3 years, but has he really torn the division apart? People who watch him every week don't seem so sure. It's always hard to separate the hype from the reality.
|
|
|
Post by serpico on Dec 19, 2008 13:51:30 GMT
He's also a naturally left footed player, so that would probably ad a couple of million on, as they seem to be at a premium at the moment. Actually he's another "winger" who can play in the centre as well , but at least we would have a naturally left footed player, does he take corners/free kicks ? .
|
|
|
Post by bayernoatcake on Dec 19, 2008 13:52:55 GMT
Oh right, sorry. Still whenver I've watched him I haven't noticed him which would be great if he was a centre back!
|
|
|
Post by viiistokieviii on Dec 19, 2008 13:56:04 GMT
Tone obviously see's something in the lad.
Can only say i've seen him 5-6 times.
Looked quality in three or four and average in the rest.
We trust ya Tone!!
Jus glad it aint our money ;D
|
|
|
Post by Homzy on Dec 19, 2008 13:56:02 GMT
I'm in no more of a place to comment on his ability than anyone else on here but he's certainly the sort of player you'd hope we'd be looking at: young, in the right position, with potential, resale value, etc.
I wonder whether his form has dropped this season because he'd wanted to speak to us on deadline day? The Taffies were certainly raving about him last season.
|
|
|
Post by Danstoke82 on Dec 19, 2008 14:00:04 GMT
Well if TP likes him then so do I, Ledley is a quality player and I would love to see him in a Stoke shirt, he's been by far Cardiff's best player for the past few seasons.
Besides, we cannot pass judgement until we have seen the guy play for us, if he signs. Im looking forward to Jan.
|
|
|
Post by lurcherman on Dec 19, 2008 14:01:31 GMT
7 MILL ????????
eeeerrrrrr no thanks..... Ridsdale, keep the f**ker.
|
|
|
Post by Block 26 on Dec 19, 2008 14:05:01 GMT
For fucks sake.
Why £7m
Fuck off Stoke and get real
|
|
|
Post by stokebill on Dec 19, 2008 16:19:31 GMT
This article is 2 years old, and perhaps nothing that we don't all know already - but there's plenty here to see that he ticks every Pulis box going. Valuation changed a bit though.
Liam Lawrence anyone?
Scouting Report: Joe Ledley, Cardiff City Steve Claridge The Guardian, Tuesday 24 October 2006
This may shock a lot of people but Joe Ledley has no real strengths apart from his team-play. He's the type of player who, if I hadn't gone specifically to watch him, I wouldn't have noticed playing.
Cardiff are the surprise package of the season and they're the type of side in which everyone has to play their part and be capable of doing what's asked of them. This is certainly the case with Ledley.
He is a product of Cardiff's academy and broke into the first team in 2004 aged 17. He has benefitted from a year under Dave Jones, a very astute manager, and I don't think I have ever seen a player, and certainly not a winger, more prepared to do a job for the cause.
He is the archetypal old-fashioned up-and-downer, extremely uncomplicated in his play, always taking the safety and percentage option, which means he is not an obvious crowd-pleaser.
I have to be careful here, because it's far easier for me to write about the negative side than the positive. He has nothing that makes him stand out; no wow factor in his game. But he's a dream for his full-back as he does everything and more asked of him defensively. At times he does too much.
Against Southampton last week he was marked tightly and occasionally pushed too far back, receiving the ball too deep. But he showed the experience he's gained by not trying to do too much in the wrong areas and rarely lost the ball. His positional play is exceptional, tucking himself in when the opposition had the ball to make a strong four in midfield without leaving too much space between him and the left-central midfielder, but also giving width when his side had possession, although, as I said, it was a little deep at times.
This also meant that he couldn't get into what we call the "po-mo" - the position of maximum opportunity - which for him is coming in at the far post when the ball is crossed from the right. He prefers to hang back to sweep up and allow the central midfielder the chance to get into the box.
It is surprising, therefore, that he's already managed to score as many league goals this season as he did in the whole of last (three). His fitness levels are exceptional, which is vital for someone who plays the game as he does. And he found it easier to beat his man in tight situations rather than when he had the chance to run at the right-back with no real trick other than knocking the ball one side and running round the other. Unfortunately he doesn't possess blinding pace, so that was also a bit hit and miss in its effectiveness.
His quality was fine, as with most left-footers, and before people think that I've been a bit harsh - I haven't forgotten that at the age of 19 there will still be huge amount of improvement left in his game - all I can say is he played 42 league games last season and hasn't missed one this time round. His value to the side is such that it would be no surprise to me if he was the first name on the team-sheet for many years to come.
Age 19
Born Cardiff
Position Winger
From Trainee
Honours 8 Wales caps
Height 6ft
Weight 11st 7lb
Awareness 8/10
Heading 7/10
Attitude 8/10
Tackling 7/10
Passing 7/10
Team responsibility 10/10
Valuation
£500,000-600,000
|
|
|
Post by You want salad on kebab boss? on Dec 19, 2008 17:08:29 GMT
Wont happen we have only got £3 million to spend remember
|
|
|
Post by northstokie on Dec 19, 2008 17:17:21 GMT
I'm in no more of a place to comment on his ability than anyone else on here but he's certainly the sort of player you'd hope we'd be looking at: young, in the right position, with potential, resale value, etc. I wonder whether his form has dropped this season because he'd wanted to speak to us on deadline day? The Taffies were certainly raving about him last season. I spoke to a lad who is a baadiff fan and he reckons after our bid was turned down he hasn't looked like wanting to play for Cardiff - now that could be denying a move to the Prem as opposed to dying to play for Stoke but would seem a fair assessment - have to say 4-5 million would make me happier but at the end of the day, a player is only worth what people are willing to spend and what the selling club will take - we may well have to pay a little over the odds like 7m but thats the climate unfortunately... A positive sign is that baadiff want to sit down and talk over the next week so they can plan their own transfers so if he IS going to move, I expect it to be in the first week (so it deffo won't be to us in that case )
|
|