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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Dec 1, 2008 12:31:43 GMT
Is it just me who would take Delap off instead? ???
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Post by womble on Dec 1, 2008 12:33:41 GMT
I wouldn't. tbh.
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Post by vestanpance on Dec 1, 2008 12:34:23 GMT
I would have left Soares on and put Tonge on wide, with Delap moving into with middle with Diao.
Even our fuckign substitutions are unimaginative.
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Post by knowles on Dec 1, 2008 12:34:12 GMT
Delap played well on Saturday and he isn't a one trick pony as some people perceive him to be (not saying that you are guilty of this).
I think TP made the right choice and personally I would have started with Tongey who has been in good form recently- perhaps his chance will come at St. James'?
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Post by Jug Bank Stokie on Dec 1, 2008 12:38:07 GMT
Delap has played brilliantly this year but I think for the last 20 minutes or so, Tonge and Soares would add more to the team. That said though, we scored after the substitution so keep it up Tone!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 12:40:11 GMT
I would have left Soares on too. He wasn’t having the best of games but for fuck sake, he’s got more chance of having a positive impact on the game than Diao and Faye (the shit one).
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Post by beagriestache on Dec 1, 2008 12:42:30 GMT
Gotta be honest, I think Soares looks scared most of the time. Can't see why TP doesn't drop Soares, play Tonge and give Whelan a game in place of Faye.
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Post by womble on Dec 1, 2008 12:43:26 GMT
I just think Delap has been offering more than Soares during the last two games. Didn't Delap skip past two Hull players when he moved out to the right?
I'd start with Tonge over Soares based on his sub appearances the last two saturdays - he's changed the game twice now!
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Post by crashbandicoot on Dec 1, 2008 12:46:01 GMT
Agree with Vestan, thought Delap had another good game(has been faultless all season) and should of been moved into the middle with Diao. Faye should be taken off and Tonge put on the left.
Why this is not even done from the start and Amdy Faye is not dropped is totally beyond me
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Post by vestanpance on Dec 1, 2008 12:45:17 GMT
beagriestache,
Every time Soares plays, TP takes him fucking off. Not much of an incentive is it really?
When we scored, there was only going to be one winner of that game, we should have thrown it at them, instead pinky and fucking perky in midfield continue to do a passable impression of the untouchables.
The more i watch Stoke, the less it appears i know about football, because IMHO Diao & Faye are fucking gash, an opinion clearly not shared by the management team and a large percentage of the Stoke following.
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Post by womble on Dec 1, 2008 12:49:29 GMT
HAVE
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 12:50:59 GMT
I’d start playing Whelan and Tonge from the start, you only need one holding/defensive midfielder FFS. What’s the betting we play 4 centre mids against Newcastle?
Delap Diao Faye (The Shit one) Oli
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Post by PONTAFCE on Dec 1, 2008 12:52:30 GMT
Im with vestan on the all the way tonge and diao in the centre and delap and soares out wide for me.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 12:55:11 GMT
I'm glad you cleared that one up.
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Post by vestanpance on Dec 1, 2008 12:57:49 GMT
Thing is, i'm genuinely happy about the way we've started and i'm not pointlessly banging on about Pulis. I just don't understand what it is that Faye does (Diao i understand, especially away from home) that could not be accomplished equally by Delap, thus giving us options on the wings for players who can put their foot on it and look for a decent pass?
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Post by pez75 on Dec 1, 2008 13:00:08 GMT
It was the right thing to do - Soares was shit, whereas Rory was playing well.
I have been very disappointed with Soares, and with TP's persistence on picking him ahead of Tonge.
I know it is still early days, but I do not think Soares has what it takes for this level. He isn't good enough and quite frankly doesnt look 'up for it' a lot of the time either.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 13:00:37 GMT
I'd put delap in the centre too
at the moment, tonge deserves to start a game for me ahead of soares
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Post by PONTAFCE on Dec 1, 2008 13:02:07 GMT
I'd put delap in the centre too at the moment, tonge deserves to start a game for me ahead of soares How do you work that one out then?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 13:04:15 GMT
Vestan, I think Pulis just likes the idea of having 3 (sometimes 4) central midfielders out on the park, it’s obviously part of his “two banks of four” ethos. It makes us hard to beat but it’s bloody frustrating at times.
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Post by tampon on Dec 1, 2008 13:08:34 GMT
I don't rate Soares, the game was played in his position all game on Saturday and he hardly made an impact. Lightweight when the ball was up for grabs and pretty poor with the ball, Delap was far more effective on the left without anywhere near as much of the action in his direction. When he does get the ball in a crossing position it's nearly always wasted with a scuff to the nearest defender or to the edge of the area where nobody is waiting. Tonge was on for 2 minutes when he put the first dangerous ball of the match into the box which squirmed through to Fuller and he poked it straight at Myhill. Soares was pretty much the same against West Brom too, had one good moment where he ran past 2 players.... but scuffed the cross. I can't think of any reason during his last few games why some Stoke fans thinks he merits a place.
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Post by womble on Dec 1, 2008 13:11:09 GMT
I'd put delap in the centre too at the moment, tonge deserves to start a game for me ahead of soares How do you work that one out then? Probably by watching the last two games where Soares has done ok but created nothing whereas Tonge has played about 30mins in each game and been more creative and the team has scored both times. Maybe.
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Post by vestanpance on Dec 1, 2008 13:14:52 GMT
WD, fair comment. There's logic in there somewhere i guess.
Soares is 22 and is finding his feet in the team. He's taken off every time, irrespective of his performance. Whilst i agree about Tonge being given a run, for me this would be at the behest of Faye, who offers fuck all. Delap would be equally effective inside, even more so IMHO.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 13:17:45 GMT
I think the answer is obvious, more quality is needed in Jan.
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Post by womble on Dec 1, 2008 13:24:34 GMT
WD, fair comment. There's logic in there somewhere i guess. Soares is 22 and is finding his feet in the team. He's taken off every time, irrespective of his performance. Whilst i agree about Tonge being given a run, for me this would be at the behest of Faye, who offers fuck all. Delap would be equally effective inside, even more so IMHO. I'd agree with that. I'd prefer to have Lawrence back and at his best though.
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Post by tazi on Dec 1, 2008 13:42:37 GMT
Take Delap off - are you serious or is it a wind up?. Not only has Rory been our most consistent performer for the past 12 months or so but he's a fantastic player.
My favourite player - He's outstanding.
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Post by Beloved Monkfish on Dec 1, 2008 13:43:50 GMT
Tonge's a clever player and you can see why he was so highly rated a few years ago. Immediately when he came on he found acres of space which everyone else has struggled to do all game. He's clever enough to slide in through balls which tbh, no one else is. He needs to start against Newcastle. He gets stuck in more than Soares.
What's the betting we go with Olofinjana, Diao, Faye and Delap for Castle though.
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Post by PONTAFCE on Dec 1, 2008 13:51:51 GMT
I think lawrence is going to struggle when he returns to the squad.When he played at the start of the season he didnt look up to it.I just hope he comes back and shines for us.
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Post by tazi on Dec 1, 2008 14:03:29 GMT
Tonge's a clever player and you can see why he was so highly rated a few years ago. Immediately when he came on he found acres of space which everyone else has struggled to do all game. He's clever enough to slide in through balls which tbh, no one else is. He needs to start against Newcastle. He gets stuck in more than Soares. What's the betting we go with Olofinjana, Diao, Faye and Delap for Castle though. That's the exact midfield i would go for too.
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Post by Bick on Dec 1, 2008 14:05:34 GMT
Soares isn't confident, he doesn't contribute at the moment, Rory works hard, tackles well and gets forward!
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 14:09:15 GMT
Delap is not a one trick pony, anyone who says that has not obviously watched us regularly over the past 12 months.
Soares has shown glimpses of what he can do, he just needs to find a bit of confidence and consistency. I’d be much happier with him in the team than Faye (the shit one).
I’d play Oli over Faye (the shit one) as well.
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