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Post by sweetandinnocent on Nov 30, 2008 23:16:35 GMT
Inexperienced or shit managers Could be the reason that the league is wide open in the bottom half, normally by now you can see who is in the shit and who isn't. This season its like the championship, a bookies nightmare. West Ham - Zola Blackburn - Ince Sunderland - Roy Keane Portsmouth - Tony Adams IMO the quality of manager in the top division this season is poor compared to previous seasons. Decent managers are worth their weight in gold, look at the fortunes of spurs now 'Arry' has arrived at WHL. IMO the above managers are a big part of the reason for their less than consistent form, and the longer these teams continue with such poor results, the more pressure they will be under to turn their season around. It's still looking more than promising for Stoke this season, with a TP team battling is what we do best, we are capable of grinding out results when the going gets tough, are all teams above use to a relegation battle?? 3 of 4 no! If you look at Sunderland, despite keanes spent millions he's starting to feel the pressure, and when you throw West Brom and Newcastle into the equation and things are looking good for us, especially when we strengthen in January  Stoke will never have a better chance to survive a season in the premiership. |
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Post by stokelad84 on Dec 1, 2008 11:05:34 GMT
Good points
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Post by anarchicalan on Dec 1, 2008 11:18:43 GMT
Ince got the job because he plays the race card at every opportunity.
He did well at Macclesfield and at MK Dons, but that was at a much lower level where his name meant something and players responded to him. Winning medals as a player doesn't guarantee your future as a decent manager, especially when the players in your squad are head and shoulders above your playing ability.
Keane is a bully. On the pitch you can pressurise weak opposition and referees when you're playing, but most players these days are too wealthy to give a crap if he loses his rag.
Zola's got his hands tied with the off the field problems re- Sheffield United and I suspect he'll go sooner rather than later but will succeed elsewhere.
Adams has failed before as a manager, so he wouldn't have taken the job without using that experience as a motivating force and I reckon he'll do well eventually.
It's an interesting thread Sir Tony, I wonder what others think.
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Post by dexter97 on Dec 1, 2008 11:29:45 GMT
Adams does have experience, just not in a top job. He's been learning the ropes from 'arry, and IMHO he seems best-equipped to make a decent fist of it at the moment.
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Post by beardofzeus on Dec 1, 2008 11:30:01 GMT
Fair points throughout except Spurs didn't have an inexperienced coach pre-Redknapp. Ramos was proven. He just lost the dressing room which is probably the worst thing that could happen to a manager.
As for the others. I think Adams will do alright. Despite his flaws, he has inherited a good team at Pompey. Got to worry for Zola and Ince though. Anarch is right about Zola suffering from the hangover with Sheff Utd and Ince is just out of his depth. He'll lose Santa Cruz in Jan/Summer and then he'll be really down the pan.
As for Keane, he'll be out before Xmas if they keep getting spanked at home. Not all bad though as his sideline job as a Santa-for-hire will flourish now he has a good beard on his chops
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Post by JoeinOz on Dec 1, 2008 11:33:23 GMT
Zola is starting to get clean sheets with WHU although tomorrow morning will be damage limitation.
Overall the clubs should stand by them and give them time. Chopping and changing all the time is often a quick fix for the short sighted.
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Post by Ghostface on Dec 1, 2008 11:33:51 GMT
IMO Keane and Ince will be lucky to see the New Year in their respective jobs. Alan, you're bang on about Ince and the race card. He ridicuously claimed that he was passed over for the England job because he was Black! Oh, sorry Paul, you're right, your extensive career at Macc and MK Dons makes you a worthy candidate to be England manager, now fook off!
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Dec 1, 2008 13:14:51 GMT
Ince got the job because he plays the race card at every opportunity. He did well at Macclesfield and at MK Dons, but that was at a much lower level where his name meant something and players responded to him. Winning medals as a player doesn't guarantee your future as a decent manager, especially when the players in your squad are head and shoulders above your playing ability. Keane is a bully. On the pitch you can pressurise weak opposition and referees when you're playing, but most players these days are too wealthy to give a crap if he loses his rag. Zola's got his hands tied with the off the field problems re- Sheffield United and I suspect he'll go sooner rather than later but will succeed elsewhere. Adams has failed before as a manager, so he wouldn't have taken the job without using that experience as a motivating force and I reckon he'll do well eventually. It's an interesting thread Sir Tony, I wonder what others think. agree with that and if such managers are going to be out of work by christmas then lets just hope they don't go in time for the future managers to have a strong influence in the january transfer window, i personally hope these inexperienced managers keep there jobs into the transfer window to see what kind of shit they bring to their clubs to really finish them off. It would be even more difficult for a manager to come in and fight relegation with a team that is not his own. It will be interesting what type of signings these inexperienced managers go for, as a manager gets judged on the players he brings to the club. West Ham - will be a selling club in January and Zola has got a massive job to have let there top players go and replace them with fighters who will secure safety, as him himself was a flair player and likes to play football. And as a previous poster has said Zola unfortunattley for him will be suffering from the Sheff Utd hangover. Bolton - I personally believe that they have the right ingrediants in manager & players to be safe this season, Megson is doing a good job and they are an experienced team with regards to relegation battles. Sunderland - If Keane goes before Christmas there could be a mass exodous of players wanting a move away from Sunderland in January, as a lot of them only joined because Keane was boss. Lets face it Sunderland isn't the prettiest place on earth either. I could see our Tony being a bit of a Sunderland vulture should Keane go, after the likes of Whitehead and maybe Richardson. West Brom - For me under Mowbray are doomed, if they are where they are now in January with Mowbray in charge, WBA are going to struggle to attract the type of player need to get them out of the shit, for me allready they are favourites for the drop Blackburn - To make Ince as manager with no top-flight managerial experience was always going to be a gamble, with there match winner Santa-Cruise more than likely to be moving in January and without adequate replacement( allthough i can see these and Everton after Benjani) and more signings like Keith Andrews coming in, the jury is out weather they will be equipped to be in a relegation scrap. Although Ince maybe calling on the likes of Fergie for Man Utd fringe players and loanees, i think Blackburn are going to be there or there abouts this season. Newcastle - Joe Kinnear, there is a reason he has been out of work for so long  he is a shit boss and a controversial one, some may argue that he has done well whilst being at newcastle, but with the players at his disposal, for me the jury is out still, what can he do in January if the likes of Owen and nzogbia and Given should leave? If they dont leave the likes of Owen and Viduka dont stay fit long enough to make a real impact on their chances of survival. will Ashley pocket the transfer fee's because he's selling the club? Newcastle if in the same position by the end of Christmas will be feeling the same pressure as they did last season, as a team they won't be looking forward to that again, thats why i can see their top players leaving. As Joe Kinnear got what it takes to keep them up? IMO chuck them a life jacket! January will be an interesting month for all teams and will really determine how the season pans out. ATM my bottom of the table for end of season will look somthing like this. 15th Stoke 16th Blackburn 17th Newcastle 18th West Ham 19th Sunderland 20th WBA |
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Post by dexter97 on Dec 1, 2008 13:21:45 GMT
Santa-Cruise? Sounds like something posh kids go on in December.  |
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Dec 1, 2008 13:22:54 GMT
Santa-Cruise? Sounds like something posh kids go on in December. ;D |
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Post by smapples on Dec 1, 2008 13:24:50 GMT
In a word...Agreed.
However be careful with Zola, even with their bosses calling Lombard Direct everyday for a loan, he has a lot of young Italian players that look up to him and could enjoy life in our capital. My theory is he may tap the Italian market for cheapies but failing that they are doomed.
A little off topic but Everton are without the Yak and Saha so lets hope that limits their scoring a bit.
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Post by salopstick on Dec 1, 2008 13:31:27 GMT
keane signed a 3 year contract which ends this summer - i would be surprised if both parties wished to resign
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Post by vestanpance on Dec 1, 2008 13:31:32 GMT
I think the league is closer this season because of a number of factors, but i don't think it is weaker this season.
Hull have made a great start, Stoke are bringing a new dimension in terms of both passion and power to the league & Albion, despite a bad run, are nobody's mugs and will continue to pick up points. The fact is that is no easy games this season and combining this with the lack of financial clout that some of the smaller clubs have (Blackburn, Pompey, West Ham to name but three) in this new era of economic uncertainty and it was bound to close things up.
As smapples said, Zola might know a few tippy toed superstars from italy he can ship in, but other than that they could be fucked. Albion will struggle under Mowbray to get enough points to survive and at Blackburn they have a set of players looking increasingly like they would much rather be somewhere else. We'll be in there but might just have enough, especially if we can pick up 3 or 4 wins away.
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he is a shit boss and a controversial one, some may argue that he has done well whilst being at newcastle, but with the players at his disposal, for me the jury is out still, what can he do in January if the likes of Owen and nzogbia and Given should leave? If they dont leave the likes of Owen and Viduka dont stay fit long enough to make a real impact on their chances of survival. will Ashley pocket the transfer fee's because he's selling the club? Newcastle if in the same position by the end of Christmas will be feeling the same pressure as they did last season, as a team they won't be looking forward to that again, thats why i can see their top players leaving. As Joe Kinnear got what it takes to keep them up? IMO chuck them a life jacket!
