Delap throw; why it isn’t as effective.

[AlbertTatlock]

Watching the last few matches it appears at first glance that its been sussed, however IMO its all down to the players in the box, no on is getting tight to the keeper no one is making a run to the back post and even Leon (his goals from set pieces are the only real reason to have him in the team) isn’t doing what he was doing last season; standing on the goal line and running round the back of the keeper to get in front of him just as the ball is thrown in. Opposition keepers lives have been made far easier by giving them the room and time to make a decision on how to deal with Rory’s throw.

Gouranga.

[JoeinOz]

One problem is the same as the problem with our corners.....there's no movement as the ball is played in.

[A-teen_six_T3]

I think we are tryinh too hard to make it as a set piece ie Mama in front of cort fuiller penalty area

Where as before,w e were just sticking the big guns in the area and hoping it will head towards some one...we are perhaps trying too hard

[arniepieinthesky]

As Joinoz said, its the lack of movement in the box, the throw is fine. Also teams like Hull will perhaps deal with it a little better as they will have players from last season that are more used to dealing with arial play.

[stokeoptimist]

How do you suss something that is random,

I think it is always going to more of a weapon against the established premiership teams.

[Deleted]

Just like the media , some supporters have started to expect too much - ie a goal every time..it's NEVER produced that type of success rate

Even when succesful it's success is based to a degree on luck ie unless a direct strike on goal for the ball to drop just right ...probably three occassions yesterday where it was succesful ( with all but the end product being a goal)

My only concern is if as a team we start to become to obsessed with it , and instead of looking for other attacking options when in the top third , opt for a throw in too much

[stokeoptimist]

I think we need to adapt it a bit more, last year in the championship a couple of times Rory threw the ball into the ground to skid across the wet surface causing mayhem, he could also throw it in away from the goal for someone to volley.

Any suggestions for a bit of variation

[mermaidsal]

I think it was a bit of a fluke we scored so many from Rory's throws in the first few games but I agree, we just seem to be less ruthless about following them in for some reason lately, I don't think that's about people having sussed the tactic since it's not exactly one you can hide, is it?

[Olgrligm]

Who says they were ineffective? We would/should have scored 2 from them yesterday, were it not for reaction saves from Myhill.

The reason that they've not looked as good in the last two games is that we've been playing against Championship-style defenders. Remember how little trouble it caused last year? Championship defenders are strong and can head a ball, while Premiership defenders are pacier and tackle well, but are crap in the air. Look at Sidibe rag-dolling John Terry as if he were Leon Cort as an example.

[mermaidsal]

That's a really good point about Champ style defenders, I agree.

[Paul Spencer]

Rory's second half throw for Fuller's header was one of his best this season, the pace on it was unbelievable.

[Stay up again for - hoodyjr]

is it the cold hands?

[s8to]

The ball is getting too wet and cold

[themikester]

One simple word.
Overkill.
FFS Pulis I've the uttmost respect for what you and the lads have achieved but isn't it about time we used a bit of guile.
Defenders back way off expecting the long throw so why the naffing hell are we not using the short throw more often.
Delap appears not to have the confidence to throw it short to Higgy or Griffin.
The element of surprise now could be, will it be a long rapier throw or a quick short one.
Yes,we use the long throw too much IMO and it's about time we concentrated on playing a bit more football.
Don't kid yourself that this team cannot string a few passes together,we appear to have lost the confidence in this department.

[imallstokedup]

We will get more goals from throws, however what is happening to our corners !

Hull have scored 7 goals from corners this season, we are the only team to score ZERO.

[Olgrligm]

FFS

The short throw is a crap waste of space. If we do it again I'm going to run onto the pitch and ritually stab Higginbotham or Griffin for making the pointless run down the side in the first place. NEVER EVER USE THE SHORT THROW, IT WILL NEVER ACHIEVE ANYTHING.

They're not getting less effective. We don't score off every throw-in and we're getting fewer throw ins. Championship defenders are more used to bustling, holding their ground and heading the ball. Premiership Nancies can't head the ball or challenge in the air, so all we have to do is wait until we play against them again and start watching the goals come through.

Anyway, who says it was ineffective? We should have scored 2 goals from it yesterday, I don't know what's up with some people.

[stokemark]

Yesterday Hull kept players up at each throw which meant that at times we didnt have enough players in their box to make it count.

[PMac]

Bearing in mind Cayhill made a superb save down to his right in the 2nd half from one of Rorys throws.

On many other occasions that would have gone in.

Teams are sussing us out as every game is played - Note Mama didn't have as much success with his flick ons to Ric against Hull?

We did play the ball around well at times and showed some skill HOWEVER - One thing that did irritate me a little yesterday was Higgy pumping the ball up when he's much more effective ruinning with it down the flanks and playing the midfield in close to the 18 yard box.

Higgy is a great player and shouldn't have been phased by a Hull defence?

[jarhead]

Lets try and play football abit c reate more and use the throw as a bonus when it comes along.
At the min we use it as our ONLY threat to score and if that dunna work then its predictable hope we can score football with no brains behind it.

[avit]

I think higgy had been told not to push on in order to contain giovanni which I would say in large was effective

[Jamo on the wing]

I say keep at it, the fact is that in every game it will create at least one clear cut chance and that in itself is justification.
Ric would have scored again had Myhill not made a great save low down.

[griffoisalegend]

Nov 30, 2008 12:47:52 GMT AlbertTatlock said:

Watching the last few matches it appears at first glance that its been sussed, however IMO its all down to the players in the box, no on is getting tight to the keeper no one is making a run to the back post and even Leon (his goals from set pieces are the only real reason to have him in the team) isn’t doing what he was doing last season; standing on the goal line and running round the back of the keeper to get in front of him just as the ball is thrown in. Opposition keepers lives have been made far easier by giving them the room and time to make a decision on how to deal with Rory’s throw.

Gouranga.


Complete rubbish .

Did you not see Fuller's effort which would've gone in only for a top class save from Myhill ? That goes in and this thread would be non existant .We're still creating these opportunities, and it's just as effective. We're just not getting the luck at the moment with them.

[bogus]

It is effective. It's won us two of our last four home games!
But for a great save from Myhill, it would have been very effective yesterday too.

And when a goalkeeper would rather kick the ball out for a corner, it is certainly having an affect

[cooperman45]

I'd like to see a long throw to the edge of the penalty area, for a well struck shot on goal. Diao was hovering around this position regularly yesterday unmarked. Olofinjana in this position would be quite a threat.

[Deleted]

1) The ball does not fly as far in the cold wet, weather
2) Rorys hands despite the towel will not grip it as well in the wet
3) Teams will defend better against it

It is still a massive weapon but we must have more movement in the box. The lads just stand there waiting for it. More variety is needed lets mix it up. We were too direct yesterday. The last two home performances have been average, yet we have come away with 4 points. Lets get it down and mix it up as we did against Arsenal and Sunderland.

[davejohnno1]

Greenhoff...I think our home form will continue to hold us in good stead, particularly against the better sides in the division. Unfortunately, any team who come to defend, as Hull and West Brom did, will have a good chance of securing a point at least as we just do not have the quality to break such teams down convincingly.

We looked good against Arsenal, Tottenham, Everton in patches, Villa and Sunderland primarily because they thought we were shit and came to play their normal game. Hull (dropping Cousin to the bench) and West Brom (1 up front) clearly changed their approach to get something from a tricky trip and our industrious midfield struggled to break them down.

Long may the better sides treat us with contempt!

[SneydGreenStokie]

Nov 30, 2008 12:47:52 GMT AlbertTatlock said:

Watching the last few matches it appears at first glance that its been sussed, however IMO its all down to the players in the box, no on is getting tight to the keeper no one is making a run to the back post and even Leon (his goals from set pieces are the only real reason to have him in the team) isn’t doing what he was doing last season; standing on the goal line and running round the back of the keeper to get in front of him just as the ball is thrown in. Opposition keepers lives have been made far easier by giving them the room and time to make a decision on how to deal with Rory’s throw.

Gouranga.

I concur

SGS