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Post by PotterEd on Nov 30, 2008 11:16:06 GMT
If I were him, I'd be handing in a transfer request in January. When you're at home to Hull, a game we really should have been going out to win, and your manager plays Salif Diao and a shit version of Salif Diao (Amdy Faye) in the same midfield, where the hell is the creativity supposed to come from?! I love Tony but decisions like this are ridiculous and really give everyone who says we play negative football all the ammunition they need. Yesterday's was like watching a poor Championship game, and Whelan really could have made a difference.
Please wake up to this Tone, it's becoming worrying.
Oh, and while I'm at it, let's give Tonge a start, eh?
Ed.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 30, 2008 11:17:46 GMT
I'm yet to be convinced by Glen in a Stoke shirt but I thought yesterday was a perfect chance to see what he could do and he should have come on for Amdy Faye in the second half.
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 30, 2008 11:18:07 GMT
the problem is ed he hast exactly shone in the league cup games. apart from the free kick against rotherham, his performances against lower opposition have been average. if he cant dominate those sort of games then how is tone going to be confident playing him against better players?
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Post by PotterEd on Nov 30, 2008 11:26:50 GMT
I see your point, stokelad, but playing 2 identical defensive central midfielders against Hull City at home is embarassingly negative. When we go away to Chelsea in January, this would be understandable but not at home to Hull. While I'm not trying to make Whelan about to be some kind of messiah and the answer to our midfield prayers, he can surely have more of a positive impact than Faye, as could Tonge and even Olifinjana, in my opinion.
Ed.
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Post by millermay1968 on Nov 30, 2008 11:29:01 GMT
Lower league opposition will close you down alot quicker so i think he would prove alot of people wrong playing against better players,and to be honest he,s hardly had the chance has he.....it would be a great shame to lose him but he must be really pissed off.pullis is familiar with one word STUBBORN ,also there are certain players who seem certain to play each week weather good or not
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Post by tony harrison on Nov 30, 2008 12:09:18 GMT
If I were him, I'd be handing in a transfer request in January. When you're at home to Hull, a game we really should have been going out to win, and your manager plays Salif Diao and a shit version of Salif Diao (Amdy Faye) in the same midfield, where the hell is the creativity supposed to come from?! I love Tony but decisions like this are ridiculous and really give everyone who says we play negative football all the ammunition they need. Yesterday's was like watching a poor Championship game, and Whelan really could have made a difference. Please wake up to this Tone, it's becoming worrying. Oh, and while I'm at it, let's give Tonge a start, eh? Ed. Totally agree, we need Whelan in the team. Pulis needs to sit in the stands and see the play from above pitch level. He is missing so much of our poor midfield play. Whelan can pass, he can shoot from the edge of the box and find the target, he can take corners and free kicks. Whelan must be well fed up when he sees who's getting picked in front of him and then seeing how shite they are. Wouldn't blame him if he moved but hope Pulis sees sense and starts playing him.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 30, 2008 12:15:22 GMT
Lower league opposition will close you down alot quicker
But the difference is that the higher level you need quicker feet and quicker thinking. There's fewer spaces in front of you two play the killer ball and often you receive it at more awkward angles and have to take it and play it in one movement.
Overall I agree that Whelan deserves some time on the pitch.
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Post by th05 on Nov 30, 2008 12:36:58 GMT
I thought Amdy had a good game actually.
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Nov 30, 2008 12:58:34 GMT
good post i agree with all that, is it really that hard too see? We have a bunch of players that should be having wet dreams at the thought of us getting set-peices! Yet we rarely score from corners and rarely score from free kicks! Why? Because we dont have anybody like Whelan playing, who can put in a decent cross from a dead ball situation. If we did we would score from corners and free kicks a lot more, and lets face it, with a team our size this should be our biggest threat, but it isn't. For example yesterday, Myhill put the ball out for a corner because we are more dangerous from a throw than somebody actually whipping a corner in. That says it all really How Amdy Fayes position ahead of wheelan can be justified is beyond me How can it be justified when Whelan offers the team so much more in terms of creativity and ball playing. The game was there for the taking yesterday and maybe if whelan was on the pitch we could of converted one of our corners? Whelans free kick against Rotherham for example, could you see Amdy doing that against Hull Yesterday? Even Whelans presence against Rotherham(yes they may be league 2) but he grabbed the game by the scruff of the neck. Who's to say that he can't do all this for Stoke in the premier league when he has'nt been given the chance, yesterday was the perfect opportunity to give him his chance, and we stick with an average championship player in Amdy Faye I would'nt be suprised to see him leave, because he must be wanting to play games at Stoke or somewhere else if need be.
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Post by whelan_6 on Nov 30, 2008 13:04:05 GMT
i agree whelan should be given a chance but i also thnk he isnt the answer,he didnt set the place a light last year and his performances in the cup hav'nt been great.
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Post by arniepieinthesky on Nov 30, 2008 13:07:57 GMT
I think Pulis would be worried by the fact we may get rolled over if we have a light weight in the middle of the park. And as people say, he hasn't set the world a light in the cup.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 30, 2008 13:09:38 GMT
Tony what you’re saying is mostly a load of bollox! “Because we don’t have anyone like Whelan playing”. How Amdy Fayes position is justified when Whelan offers the team so much more”. “Whelan grabbed the Rotherham game by the scruff of the neck”. “Who's to say that he can't do all this for Stoke when he has'nt been given the chance”. The only thing I agree with you about is Amdy Faye. Whelan; we don’t have anyone like him playing because when he has played at his very best he’s been average and more than often he’s been wank, Whelan offers the team no more than Amdy Faye he was apart from a 10 minute spell poor against Rotherham (Danny Pugh was far better than him) and pretty wank against Reading. Whelan has been given the chance he had loads of opportunities last season and was generally wank then in the championship what give you or anyone else the illusion that Whelan will be any better against premiership opposition, he's less than average in the reserves. have you or anyone else calling for his inclusion in the first team ever seen him play well? Tthe whole Whelan fantasy on here is just a myth the plain truth is he's just not very good. Gouranga.
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Post by sweetandinnocent on Nov 30, 2008 13:27:40 GMT
AT, whelan, world beater or not is the only available player with the attributes that our team is lacking for a CM player (or in the team for that matter) player at the moment. Whelan should of come on in the second half for Amdy yesterday to give us a bit of creativity, and yes IMO we are not as dangerous as our team of giants should be on set-peices, when we had corners yesterday I genuinely was not as excited about them as i am when Rory gets a throw ??? Thats worrying for me because we are starting to look clueless on set - peices IMO, which should be our bread and butter. Whelan can cross a ball and pick a pass and its somthing we are plainly missing in the team atm. we need balance in the center and as a previous poster said, we have a salif diao and a poo salif diao? theres no balance there, they dont know what to do with the ball when they get it, whelan does.
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Post by AlbertTatlock on Nov 30, 2008 13:44:41 GMT
Tony you’re falling into the trap of believing something which is folklore, much in the same respect that the Demar Philips and Adam Rooney are potential world beaters folklore. I wonder why no other top team paid for the services of the huge potential that Rooney was supposed to have had or why no one wants to take Demar on loan, perhaps because they’re nowhere near as good as people think they are and they seriously lack what it takes to be a top player. The one chance Demar has had this season against Reading he was utter wank. Whelan although not as wank as Demar as been pretty shite to say the least all apart from a 10 minute spell against the giants of league 2 Rotherham, your assumption that Whelan can cross a ball or pick a pack is based on what? I have never seen him display such an outstanding attribute, he can pass it square and backwards just as good as Amdy but isn’t as big and powerful. I think that you like most people on here are beginning to believe the Whelan folklore that he has to be better than what we are playing at the moment. Well to be honest if he is he’s not shown it this (or last) season ether when given his chance in the first team or when playing for the reserves. Gouranga.
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Post by oslostokie1 on Nov 30, 2008 21:39:59 GMT
Whelan should have been given his chance about 2 months ago. He doesn't even get a kick when he is a sub. You could bet your last dollar that Pulis would have brought Oli on before Whelan yesterday. At least he can take a free kick which is more than the other two central midfield muppets can do.
Whelan is bound to put in a transfer request in January and to be honest I dont blame him. This is Pulis at his most stubborn and I find it bloody infuriating.
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Post by crimesy on Nov 30, 2008 21:41:48 GMT
i think whelan should play on sat as he is the best playmaker we have and i think he can make the step up.. give him a go tp!
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Post by Stokie-Jiggz on Nov 30, 2008 21:52:47 GMT
Whelan really needs a chance! He can pass the ball with ease. Good freekick on him shown against Cheltenham and Rotherham and he can get goals.
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Nov 30, 2008 21:55:28 GMT
I think Tone's argument would be, "if it ain't broke, don't fix it" and to be fair I think every Stoke fan would have taken 13th at the end of November.
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Post by Carrot on Nov 30, 2008 21:57:51 GMT
Glenn Whelan or Amdy Faye??? Hmmm...bit of a no-brainer really ;D Come on Tone, give Whelan a chance eh???
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 30, 2008 22:49:39 GMT
But when he played last year people were slagging him off.
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Post by R.I.P Fullers Nan on Nov 30, 2008 22:55:15 GMT
Would love to see this when Lawrence is back...
Lawrence Delap Diao Soares/Tonge.
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Post by PotterEd on Nov 30, 2008 23:32:59 GMT
RIP- I definitely agree with that as our strongest midfield, particularly at home, but as Lawrence isn't fit yet, it's just got to be Whelan next time instead of Faye. The next home game (apart from Derby) is Fulham in a couple of weeks and if Pulis plays Faye and Diao again, I think I'll shit. I'll literally shit.
Ed.
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Post by tuum on Dec 1, 2008 2:13:46 GMT
I don't think that this is TP being stubborn. I just think that TP doesn't rate Whelan as highly as some of the people who post on here.
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Post by Thank you from Moorlander1 on Dec 1, 2008 7:13:48 GMT
Come back Super John Eustace all is forgiven!!!!!
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Post by daverichards on Dec 1, 2008 7:19:14 GMT
Come back Super John Eustace all is forgiven!!!!! was that you on praise n grumble mentioning SJE . He should have retired , he was advised to retire, his legs are fucked, he was a really good player, but he wont be able to walk inside a decade if he keeps on playing
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 1, 2008 7:47:37 GMT
Albert, just to correct one thing you said. No club in Britain could take Demar Phillips off our hands because Jamaica are not high enough in the rankings and so he would not get a work permit if he moved clubs. Having said that, I doubt many teams would be interested even if he could get a work permit.
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Post by apb1 on Dec 1, 2008 8:26:20 GMT
They can take him on loan though Fornie - as Oldham did earlier this season.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Dec 1, 2008 8:37:57 GMT
Oldham only took him on trial in preseason and then he came back before the season started. I was told that this was because of work permit problems - of course my info could be wrong but I don't think so. I'm sure if there were no work permit problem a Div 2 side would have taken him on loan by now. If nothing else - a Div 2 manager with a current international in his side would earn a bit of credit from his fans.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 8:44:53 GMT
Have I missed this mythical corner-taking ability Whelan possesses? Because when he came on at Wigan he took two or three and didn't clear the first defender once.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 1, 2008 9:07:41 GMT
“your manager plays Salif Diao and a shit version of Salif Diao (Amdy Faye)”
PMSL !! ;D ;D ;D ;D
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