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Post by jpm64 on Nov 27, 2008 8:22:14 GMT
With the 3rd round draw coming up this weekend I really hope we don't get an extended run in the competition !
I know that in 1972 we won the League cup made the semis in the FA cup and stayed up but I think times have changed and don't think we could cope with another cup run with survival the priority... Thoughts ???
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Post by ManderBeast on Nov 27, 2008 8:30:48 GMT
i had a dream last night we drew Middlesborough at home in this Cup...
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Post by prem4stoke on Nov 27, 2008 8:36:40 GMT
With the 3rd round draw coming up this weekend I really hope we don't get an extended run in the competition ! I know that in 1972 we won the League cup made the semis in the FA cup and stayed up but I think times have changed and don't think we could cope with another cup run with survival the priority... Thoughts ??? The second team would play so does it matter?  |
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Post by cousindupree on Nov 27, 2008 8:38:21 GMT
I dont really understand this view of hoping we lose cup games so we concentrate on the league...winning games whether it be against lower league teams in a cup match or a prem game both have significance. Our Carling cup run has not so far affected our choice of players for Prem matches and it gives fringe players match sharpness. We seem to have a winning mentality surrounding the club...our fringe players have got us to the qtr finals for the first time in decades, our reserves are 2nd in their league and we are winning games in the prem...long may it continue.
The FA cup games are scheduled and also there are breaks for International games...its a myth that there is too much football for Premier primadonnas
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 27, 2008 8:39:46 GMT
No way. I want to get as far as possible.
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Post by daverichards on Nov 27, 2008 8:42:15 GMT
Not fussed, a run would be nice , and if we beat Derby there are only potentially 3 games left in the league cup anyway . The down side is the additional cost on us fans .
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Post by MrBigJobby on Nov 27, 2008 8:42:49 GMT
Who could possibly want that! FFS
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 27, 2008 8:49:39 GMT
jpm, an extended rin in the cup could generate much needed revenue. If we were to progress as far as the semi's etc I'm sure we could use the moneyfor investment in expanding the squad. As some one has already said, if we were to draw a smaller team we could utilise some of the squad players who are bosting too play. Wouldn't it be great if we could replicated 72. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 9:02:24 GMT
A run in the fa cup would be great for various reasons (profile, revenue) but I believe the main one is giving the squad players genuinely competative games and a reason to play. The run in the carling cup is great for the squad - many of whom I reckon we will have to call on to perform league duties when suspensions and injuries hit home.
And all always want Stoke to win.
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Post by beardofzeus on Nov 27, 2008 9:10:29 GMT
Prem survival is infinitely more important. Wouldn't go out to lose in the FA Cup but wouldn't but gutted if it happened.
I'm with Kits...I don't give two shits about the FA Cup when we have to fight for Prem survival.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Nov 27, 2008 9:29:40 GMT
Normally if you get knocked out in the third round the team you should be playing is still in the 4th round, know match that day cause other team still in cup. Two weeks gone weeks by Stoke rusty first half 2-0 down next match game over.
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Post by jpm64 on Nov 27, 2008 9:40:46 GMT
Normally if you get knocked out in the third round the team you should be playing is still in the 4th round, know match that day cause other team still in cup. Two weeks gone weeks by Stoke rusty first half 2-0 down next match game over. What ??? |
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Post by Titan Uranus on Nov 27, 2008 9:43:29 GMT
In the situation we are in now and with the squad that we have now, I would suggest that TP is welcoming these cup games to enable him to give much needed competitive match time to the likes of Simmo, Dicko, Wilko, Pugh, Whelan, Cresswell etc etc.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 27, 2008 9:46:04 GMT
Exactly the FA Cup is different to the Carling Cup in that its played on a weekend so if we don't play we have two weeks off whereas in the CC its squeezed in between two league games.
Our Carling Cup run has seen vital competitive games for our reserves and I'm sure a bit of luck in the 3rd and 4th round draws will see them continue to play in the FA Cup.
So far in the CC the only players who've played who were first teamers at the time were Shawcross and Oli in the last round, hardly a drain on resources. Plus we've got a 35 man squad so I'm sure we can cope with an extra game or two.
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Post by Hiram on Nov 27, 2008 9:58:04 GMT
I want Stoke City to win every match they play, in any competition they're in.
'ark at us wanting to go out of the cup in the 3rd round - we hardly ever get past it anyway. The notion of resting players for cup games to concentrate on the league for me is bollox. Winning games increases confidence and having confidence in your abilities is maybe half the battle when trying to survive in the league.
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Post by Cyprusdelilah on Nov 27, 2008 11:37:27 GMT
jpm64 sorry for mistakes in my post but nearly caught by my Cypriot boss at work.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 27, 2008 11:38:04 GMT
A cup run could just as easily build confidence and momentum that we could take into our league form as it could distract us. I hope we get as far as possible.
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Post by thepoet64 on Nov 27, 2008 12:11:03 GMT
I wouldn't mind the favourable draws that took Cardif to the final last season? I'm sure that given that kind of luck it wouldn't take too much out of our squad. We have probably had the easiest route to the carling cup quarter final than the others involved? Long may our luck continue! Bring em all on!
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Post by Rebelliousjukebox on Nov 27, 2008 12:14:58 GMT
I want Stoke City to win every match they play, in any competition they're in. 'ark at us wanting to go out of the cup in the 3rd round - we hardly ever get past it anyway. The notion of resting players for cup games to concentrate on the league for me is bollox. Winning games increases confidence and having confidence in your abilities is maybe half the battle when trying to survive in the league. Well put. Haven't we criticised Premiership teams in the past when they've put out weakened teams in the Cup? Hypocritical in my view if we then were happy to do the same. |
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Post by dexter97 on Nov 27, 2008 12:18:32 GMT
I can't ever imagine wanting Stoke to lose, even if that defeat would mean relegation for Arsenal! I just hope that when our inevitable exit comes, it's an honourable defeat, not at home to Histon or some equally stupid result.
(Actually, I just had a flashback to '93, and I can think of circumstances when I'd tolerate a loss)
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Post by jpm64 on Nov 27, 2008 12:56:04 GMT
I'm not saying I want us to lose I could never watch Stoke hoping for anything but victory but I really would not be devestated by an early exit..
Remember the FA Cup is not like the League cup in that there are replays and can often lead to fixture congestion
I reckon Barnsley's cup run very nearly cost them their championship status and you could argue Cardiff may well have made the play off's without the cup run ???
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Post by Hiram on Nov 27, 2008 14:47:53 GMT
you could argue that but you'd be wrong!
Cardiff beat Chasetown, Hereford, Wolves, Boro and Barnsley to get to the final with no replays - they didn't get to the play-offs cos they were shit and no other reason.
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 27, 2008 15:13:23 GMT
I would have to think that a sign of a good team, regardless of what league they are in, is the ability to show up and do the best they can and strive for victory in any and all games !!
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Post by jpm64 on Nov 27, 2008 15:34:48 GMT
I would have to think that a sign of a good team, regardless of what league they are in, is the ability to show up and do the best they can and strive for victory in any and all games !! And I'm sure we will but all I'm saying is it's no big deal to go out eraly and in the long term will do us a favour.. I'll be quite happy with European Football via League cup win and a 15th place finish |
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Nov 27, 2008 15:40:04 GMT
Sod going out, I want a double and a EUFA cup place (that is, if we can't manage the CL).
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Post by chunky on Nov 27, 2008 16:58:54 GMT
i want to win it !
if Bardiff, Millwall etc. can get there then why not? Wer'e also described as the new Wimbledon so lets have Liverpool in the final.
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Post by smapples on Nov 27, 2008 17:09:21 GMT
Think of it like Pro Evo, the more the players get experience the better.
Everything can be derived from Pro Evo, EVERTHING.
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Post by crimesy on Nov 27, 2008 17:12:26 GMT
nope, more money for the club, but i wouldn't like TP playing best players for 90 mins now i think about it  |
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Post by knowles on Nov 27, 2008 17:14:59 GMT
Steve Coppell did the right thing in the FA Cup and I'm sure we will do the same. Play the fringe players. If they win, great and if they go out then they aren't good enough. Simple  |
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Post by block30row19 on Nov 27, 2008 17:21:06 GMT
Sit back relax and enjoy. Whatever happens happens we are all here for the great ride that is Stoke City Football Club. Don't get me wrong, if i could see into a crystal ball and saw that progressing in the League or FA Cup would damage our chances of staying up I would play all the Academy lad's for EVERY game, but i can't so I will just chill and enjoy whatever the outcome for now  In Pulis We Trust |
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