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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 23, 2008 13:46:44 GMT
and nobody to pass the ball to. ball distribution and delivery yesterday were pretty bad, and when on the very odd occsasion a ball did go near the goal, there was no one worthy of doing anything with it. OK, Cresswell had his full game chance, and he showed that he really is worse than i thought he was, and that took some doing!Soares didnt show me much, Sidibe was solid as usual, but nothing coming out of midfield. No skill, no forward movement, no crisp passes, awful corners. Oh how we miss the Fuller and Lawrence partnership when they are not playing. Oh how i miss a striker when Crapwell is put in. Really tough luck on Kitson, i was looking forward to seeing what he could do, but that knee didnt look good at all. against a better team, i think we would have been trounced. January hopefully will bring some skill on the wing in attacking midfielders and another striker!!
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Post by Cupid Stunt on Nov 23, 2008 13:48:35 GMT
Yes we were poor but we passed it more than WBA.
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Post by birly on Nov 23, 2008 13:49:45 GMT
Jeez...Im not Cresswells biggest fan but his performance yesterday was a LOT better than I expected of him.Maybe its just you constantly looking for the negative in everything.
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Post by One-Two on Nov 23, 2008 13:51:38 GMT
Cresswell worked bloody hard and i didn't think he had a bad game
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 23, 2008 13:52:05 GMT
and nobody to pass the ball to. ball distribution and delivery yesterday were pretty bad, and when on the very odd occsasion a ball did go near the goal, there was no one worthy of doing anything with it. OK, Cresswell had his full game chance, and he showed that he really is worse than i thought he was, and that took some doing!Soares didnt show me much, Sidibe was solid as usual, but nothing coming out of midfield. No skill, no forward movement, no crisp passes, awful corners. Oh how we miss the Fuller and Lawrence partnership when they are not playing. Oh how i miss a striker when Crapwell is put in. Really tough luck on Kitson, i was looking forward to seeing what he could do, but that knee didnt look good at all. against a better team, i think we would have been trounced. January hopefully will bring some skill on the wing in attacking midfielders and another striker!! We won.
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Post by mermaidsal on Nov 23, 2008 13:52:17 GMT
I'm with birly, I thought Cress did ok too - he's not suddenly going to turn into the world's most creative player overnight but he was asked to a job and he did it for us.
I still think we have to give Whelan a better chance before looking elsewhere, I'd have given him a start yesterday.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 23, 2008 13:55:54 GMT
I think the main point is there was nobody to pass the ball in our midfield as has been our problem, everything else we're doing now is pretty much on the money though. Other than Mama's goal I can't recall any chances that were created for the front two all game and that one came from our most creative player going foward - Danny and that from a centre half who apparently can't play left back.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 23, 2008 13:56:03 GMT
Couldn't you wait for us to lose again before posting?
We normally dont hear from you when we win.
How was your view from faraway?
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 23, 2008 13:58:29 GMT
OK fellas didnt really want to turn this into Cresswell thread but once again, it seems that way. someone said he worked bloody hard. Bloddy hard at what??? no skill, no pace, tumbled off the ball every single time he got it. so what he ran a lot, he ran a lot to do nothing, all he did was fill a space. as i keep saying when people say he runs his socks off, this is a football game not a marathon, id rather him stand in 1 place and wait for the ball and do something with it when its passed to him, but even then i would fall over or get disposessed as usual
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Post by muckakev on Nov 23, 2008 13:59:24 GMT
Since when have Stoke played this nice creative football you are so craving? Let me tell you, not for about 25years. The players we put out yesterday did a great job and got us 3 hard earned points. Each and everyone of them put in a shift yesterday. If you want this kinda football why dont you go support one of the top 4, because you aint going to get it at Stoke for a while.
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Post by visunitafortior on Nov 23, 2008 13:59:52 GMT
I thought Cresswell had a decent enough game, his work ethic is brilliant and he created a couple of openings when linking up with Tonge. People need to remember that if it wasn't for players like Cresswell we wouldn't be where we are now.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 23, 2008 14:02:47 GMT
I don't mind a bit of debate about the game but the only thing we learned yesterday is (that bearing in mind the money spent), we have a very poorly balanced squad but frankly without the two players of the season from the promotion campaign and our £5M striker carried off, I don't give a fuck how we came about the three points and am delighted we got them.
And it sounds like if anyone deserved them we did. I'm not sure what people expected in the Premier League ???
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 23, 2008 14:03:23 GMT
Cresswell was possibly top man yesterday.
Some of the dross we've seen at Stoke over the years that never got slated eg. Mick Kennedy.
We have a bloke who would run through a brick wall for us, clean our cars and then buy a round. A bloke who was as instrumental as ANYONE in getting us to where we are, and one who always puts a massive shift in.
He might not be good enough, but the lack of respect I see and hear from some Stokies is staggering. I just don't know what some people expect. Our goal yesterday came from some excellent movement from Cress. Our next best chance (Soares shot) was from Cress winning a 70-30 ball on the edge of their box.
If we sign a couple in the window, I'd happily say goodybye to the bloke and hope he gets the signing on fee and (possibly last) contract that such a great pro deserves. And when he returns to the Brit, I'd shake the bloke by the hand and thank him for what he's done for us. HE plays as if he's one of us down there - and that's all I can ask of anyone.
Ability? That's ultimately for the manager to judge, isn't it? And TP certainly feels he's worth keeping. Yesterday, a day when he made life a constant misery for Albion through sheer bloody-mindedness, shows just why TP still has Cress at Stoke.
By all means, have a constructive pop when he's poor, but he was 8/10 for me yesterday. I don't really know much more he could have done - he played at the maximum.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 23, 2008 14:04:06 GMT
I understand this may be a little difficult for you to understand but if nobody passes the ball to him when he's in a goal scoring positon what the hell do you expect him to do other than work hard? This maybe? uk.youtube.com/watch?v=cTguTnoE680Not many teams have players with the ability to beat teams on their own but we are luck enough to have one in Ric. Surely you don't expect them all to be like that?
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 23, 2008 14:07:49 GMT
my view from afar was as follows: Stoke won !! 3 points !! Cresswell is crap !! The game was horrible!! Against a good team we would have lost!! Back 4 did another good job!! Midfield was non-existent again! Why did we play so badly at home against a pretty bad team?? My craving for good football as you put it came about this season, where it is needed to stay up!!
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 23, 2008 14:09:47 GMT
It's thereofore strange then that every Stoke fan I have spoken to said how well Cress did yesterday. As for good football, apprently Albion do lots of that, look where it's got them.
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Post by slangking on Nov 23, 2008 14:13:21 GMT
Some people think it is obligatory to slag off a player no matter what the result, pathetic.
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 23, 2008 14:14:00 GMT
Cresswell did so brilliantly yesterday from what i saw he scored 2 goals, set up 2 more and just gave fits to the Albion defence all day!! NEVER !!!!
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Post by bunnyscfc on Nov 23, 2008 14:14:17 GMT
My craving for good football as you put it came about this season, where it is needed to stay up!!
No, it's points that are needed to stay up. Artistic merit doesn't come into it. We do need to change our style and personnel on the road at times, but how can you question what style of football is needed to stay up when we are the highest we've been for over two decades?
We had the best footballers on show yesterday, despite it being a poor game - Ryan, Ab Faye, Higgy, Rory Cress, Mama and Tonge when he came on was outstanding. All worth at least a 7 in a match where the average was around the 5 mark imho.
I just don't understand what the team/club needs to do to get some praise. We had our 2 main attacking options (apartfrom Rory's hands!) out, too!
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 23, 2008 14:14:17 GMT
Against a good team we would have lost!! Like against Arsenal, Tottenham or Villa? Stop peddling your Anti Pulis shit and get a life.
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Post by visunitafortior on Nov 23, 2008 14:14:39 GMT
3 points without Fuller, our record signing carried off injured, Liam Lawrence out injured, against our relegation rivals is not a bad result really is it? Cresswell is not crap, he may not have the technique of Fuller or crossing ability of Lawrence but he will chase everything and really put pressure on defences. Give the guy a break he's a good honest pro something of a rarity in the Premier League these days. Without him we would still be in the championship.
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Post by muckakev on Nov 23, 2008 14:15:36 GMT
Good football in NOT needed to stay up, but approximately 40 points is. How we get them, i dont give a shite.
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Post by Huddysleftfoot on Nov 23, 2008 14:16:12 GMT
OK fellas didnt really want to turn this into Cresswell thread but once again, it seems that way. someone said he worked bloody hard. Bloddy hard at what??? no skill, no pace, tumbled off the ball every single time he got it. so what he ran a lot, he ran a lot to do nothing, all he did was fill a space. as i keep saying when people say he runs his socks off, this is a football game not a marathon, id rather him stand in 1 place and wait for the ball and do something with it when its passed to him, but even then i would fall over or get disposessed as usual Have to agree with you, on the evidence of his performance yesterday, he simply isn't good enough.
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Post by slangking on Nov 23, 2008 14:17:02 GMT
Their 'pretty bad team' was assembled at a cost of £30m, ours was £15m, they should beat us comfortably, we have players who aren't up to standard, that is because we can't afford better, yet still we win because of team spirit and organisation and hard work and some tossers still moan.
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Post by sutekh on Nov 23, 2008 14:17:18 GMT
Could'nt of put it any better bunny. Sometimes the stupidity of one or two of my fellow stokies really pisses's me off.
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Post by stokelad84 on Nov 23, 2008 14:17:33 GMT
fromafar, i thought you dont even watch the games???
you are an idiot!!
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Post by Dave the Rave on Nov 23, 2008 14:17:42 GMT
PHWery returns with venom.
Being in the Premier League and performing above most people's expectations has brought a lot of Stoke Fans back together.
Some people still can't accept Pulis though.
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Post by Jamo on the wing on Nov 23, 2008 14:20:04 GMT
Cresswell did so brilliantly yesterday from what i saw he scored 2 goals, set up 2 more and just gave fits to the Albion defence all day!! NEVER !!!! What I can't understand is why a Stoke fan would criticise a player whose contribution last year was a massive reason we are in this division at all and who yesterday, when called upon put his heart and soul into his performance and kept their centre halves on their toes all afternoon. He didn't score, but then he didn't have a single chance to score. What do you want him to do, will the ball into the net?
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Post by muckakev on Nov 23, 2008 14:20:04 GMT
Huddy, i think nearly 100% of Stoke fans will agree with you. He aint good enough for the prem, i even think if you asked cressy he would say the same. But the bloke gives us 100% every time he pulls the famous red and white on. So everytime he turns out for us i'll give him 100% of my support, untill we can replace him with better quality.
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Post by fromafar07 on Nov 23, 2008 14:21:49 GMT
bunnyscfc says Cresswell was top man yesterday. how can that be when Sidibe is the one that scored?? Most of the open minded sort on here seem to agree (from the threads i have read) that it was apretty dire match, so if Cresswell was top man, then that explains why it was. Thanks bunnyscfc fro clarifying that for me
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