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Post by StokieSC on Jan 10, 2008 11:05:58 GMT
Its been asked many a time on here, but just how big are we compared to other teams in this division?
ie: Watford, Baggies, Palace, Sheff Utd and Leicester who have all enjoyed spells in the top flight.
Does playing in the Premiership make you bigger than someone like us, who are yet to get there?
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Post by Onneravineet on Jan 10, 2008 11:13:55 GMT
Currently, medium sized CCC club that is growing!
Potential to be a medium sized Prem club although I worry whether the area could afford Prem football, in terms of attendance especially as more games will be televised!
I'd estimate season ticket sales would rise to an achievable 11-12,000 with match day attendances;
Everyone have a go in this format!!!
Top Six club not televised 24-26,000
Top Six club televised 20-22,000
middle pack club 18-21,000
Bottom pack club 16-20,000
Crucial game 26-28,000
In the Prem
Most we'd pay for a player £4-6 Million
Most we'd pay on wages £25,000/wk - Not more than 3/4 players on this though!
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Post by Linx on Jan 10, 2008 11:20:41 GMT
Stoke are difficult to place. I'm sure a statto could come up with a rational answer to this question but: we're older than most clubs; we have lots have tradition and have had some of the game's greats who have donned the red and white stripes, but: we haven't won anything of note; we haven't been in the top flight for a long time. I'd say somewhere near PNE, in terms of size and status  |
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 10, 2008 11:36:54 GMT
I just hope that we can continue to get bigger. Of the current top flight clubs (that's where we're aiming after all), I'd put us well and truly in the Middlesborough, Portsmouth and Reading bracket, particularly when you look back and see where these three were 10-15 years ago.
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Jan 10, 2008 11:37:38 GMT
Historically, bobbing between the top flight and the second flight. The last 20 years being somewhat of an anomaly, featuring two visits to the third flight and none to the top one.
Don't let this 'you've never been in the Prem' bollocks distract you. Just because they renamed it doesn't mean we've never played there! On that token, half of the Prem has never played in the Championship, but have played in League 1!
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Post by stokiemac on Jan 10, 2008 11:41:52 GMT
somewhere between Staffs Rangers and Real Madrid ish.....give or take like
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Post by coltsevers on Jan 10, 2008 11:45:21 GMT
I agree with Onneravineets figures except for the Premiership games where we would play a top six club not telivised. I truly beleive that these games would command anywhere between 30,000 and 40,000 depending on the importance of the match e.g - survival, top six, local rivals etc.
I beleive too many years in the wilderness has given our club more woodwork fans than most, and i think this number is far far bigger than many of us realise.
Stoke in the premiership would be bigger than i beleive many of us could imagine.
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Post by ted1965 on Jan 10, 2008 11:57:10 GMT
It’s a good question, for which I doubt there’s a definitive answer. Though if you look at those clubs in the Premiership now we certainly have the potential to be as big as Middlesboro, Bolton, Blackburn, that at the moment is where we must be aiming.
We are certainly bigger in potential than Reading or Wigan, though of course they have proved their credentials and we have not. The real truth will not be seen unless we reach the Premiership and then either stay there or at least return soon after should we be relegated.
I think we need to adjust the thinking considering how the club has been run for the last two decades, it has hardly been welcoming to supporters and when poor public relations goes hand in hand with declining results it all goes to take away support.
The media have virtually wiped anything before the Premiership off the football map unless it’s a supposed bigger club so youngsters are bombarded with Premiership and therefore supporting a side like Stoke falls out of fashion unless you’re introduced to it by family members. The decline of the club came at totally the wrong time, just when football was becoming totally money orientated and the loss of revenue and support has made us a medium sized club with aspirations to become a medium to large club at Premiership levels only time and of course ultimately success will tell where we stand in the pecking order but we certainly have the potential to match the Blackburn’s and Middlesboro’s of this world.
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Post by Linx on Jan 10, 2008 12:07:32 GMT
Excellent analysis, ted1965. Have some karma!
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Post by goatboy on Jan 10, 2008 12:20:01 GMT
Based purely on trophies won, ranked equal 38th in the country, alongside Middlesbrough, Luton, Birmingham (spit), Swindon & QPR. . www.krysstal.com/trophies.htmlBased on number of years in the top division, ranked 21st, just below Forest, M'brough & Birmingham (spit), above Burnley & Leeds. www.krysstal.com/league.html#league_topdivisionOh, and hi everyone, I'm a newbie & lurker/occasional poster on the old rivals board |
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Post by LH_SCFC on Jan 10, 2008 12:22:31 GMT
About this big *Holds hands about 12" apart*
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Post by Kenilworth_Stokies on Jan 10, 2008 12:33:49 GMT
So we can hold our heads up high in the company of Blackburn Olympic , Old Carthusians, Clapham Rovers, Royal Engineers and Oxford University but we're nowhere near as big as Old Etonians or The Wanderers. |
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Post by albanianstokie on Jan 10, 2008 13:09:31 GMT
Reckon we are bigger than Wigan say, so I don't think Prem football is the be all and all. I'd probably say we are about the same sort of size as Sheff U, good club, with potential to be bigger.
Will need an Abromovich to be great!
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 10, 2008 13:25:49 GMT
albanianstokie - didn't you know that St. Peter's middle name is in fact Roman? If one definition of 'size' is determined by when a club last won a trophy, it's interesting (to me anyway) to note that, apart from the many clubs who've never won anything, we are in fact bigger than the following: - Newcastle United 1969 UEFA Cup  ,  Swindon Town 1969 League Cup West Bromwich Albion 1968 FA Cup  Queens Park Rangers 1967 League Cup  Birmingham City 1963 League Cup Burnley 1960 League Championship Bolton Wanderers 1958 FA Cup Blackpool 1953 FA Cup Portsmouth 1950 League Championship Charlton Athletic 1947 FA Cup Preston North End 1938 FA Cup Cardiff City 1927 FA Cup , Huddersfield Town 1926 League Championship Sheffield United 1925 FA Cup Barnsley 1912 FA Cup Bradford City 1911 FA Cup Bury 1903 FA Cup Notts County 1894 FA Cup |
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Post by Butters on Jan 10, 2008 14:02:40 GMT
If we go up I would say similar size to Reading
Shame we didn't build our ground like thiers
ttt
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Post by goatboy on Jan 10, 2008 14:06:19 GMT
Unfortunately, that theory makes Middlesbrough & Leicester bigger than Everton & Aston Villa, which is patently not true.
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Jan 10, 2008 14:08:18 GMT
Smaller than Jon Parkin's appetite
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Post by frasier37 on Jan 10, 2008 14:09:44 GMT
We're massive.As big as Parkin''s face i would say.
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Post by Godo on Jan 10, 2008 14:55:11 GMT
coltevers - has Uncle Peter factored in the ground expansion into his costings for next season?
I think we are a club that would average 22k in the premiership against mediocre opposition and fans like those at Bolton/Blackburn etc who don't travel but with 3-4k more for better opposition. However once the novelty had worn off and we settled into mid table meciocrity (wouldn't it be lovely to be the 12th best placed mediocre team ) that the local mentality would kick in and we would lose 3-4k and setlle into 18-19k category. (with a new set of excuses relating to cost, gloryhunting fans and Sky subscriptions)
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Post by Somebody_Told_Me on Jan 10, 2008 15:33:08 GMT
MASSIVE
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Post by stokiecat on Jan 10, 2008 15:52:36 GMT
I'd go with an average of 6 foot 3 inches
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Post by mermaidsal on Jan 10, 2008 15:57:06 GMT
;D ;D at cat...
I'd say we should be somewhere around West Brom and Leicester in people's minds but we need to do some serious catching up in the next few years, a cup semi or two and a promotion would do it, easy eh?
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Post by lurcherman on Jan 10, 2008 16:27:57 GMT
Under 5's Free 5-10's £3-00 10-15's £4-00 15-17's £5-00 Get em' in and get em' hooked..... build for the future. The fans are out there, they just need tempting back, either by prices or performances( or both  ). 20 odd years out of the top flight and some really grim years have led people to do other things on a satdee and also take up other hobbies. Deep down tho' once a Stokie always a Stokie, you can bet these same people still read the reports, listen to the match on the radio, and want the club to win etc. WE ARE STOKE .... WE ARE STOKE ....WE ARE STOKE  |
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Post by DodgyDino on Jan 10, 2008 16:38:15 GMT
Being out of the top flight for so long has crippled Stoke, But IF we could get there, gates would definatley improve. Young kids would start to take notice and that would build the fan base for the future. Weve actually got one of the best fan bases for a team never to have been in the Premiership. Things are looking good at the moment, Long may it continue.
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Post by Pretty Little Boother on Jan 10, 2008 19:30:20 GMT
Tis a good time to be a Stokie.
Trouble is, you'd get all the hardcore resenting the "gloryhunters" for starting to turn out, which happens all the time at cheap matches and I assume it'd be the same in the Prem.
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Post by daverichards on Jan 10, 2008 19:33:41 GMT
The VERY simple answer to this question is WE ARE THE BIGGEST CLUB NEVER TO HAVE PLAYED IN THE PREMIER LEAGUE All Time League Attendance Records Correct up to 7th May, 2006 Teams in bold are current league sides NB: Pre-war attendance figures based on media estimates and club records - both sources notoriously inaccurate  |
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