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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 21, 2008 3:55:10 GMT
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Post by mcf on Nov 21, 2008 8:16:24 GMT
Good Old Super Tony Pulis.
Spot on.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 21, 2008 8:21:57 GMT
Mowbray stated recently that those teams adopting a direct approach "might have one great season" but could not expect to enjoy long-term success. "You can never have consistency playing long-ball and knock downs," said the Albion manager. "You are hoping it drops for you, whereas if you are playing a precision game and playing off the back foot and creating angles and making clever runs, the opposition have got to work hard to stop that because it's not by accident that it happens"
Well Mr Mowbray, history tells us that you have not had a prolonged stay in the Premiership so may be you're talking out of your arse!
lets see which is the most effective style tomorrow.
There is so much that is said about the game of football and how it "should " be played. I would guess our style is closer to what happened in the 50's than most other teams. I'm not talking about the so called "long ball" theory, more so the physical presence we bring to the game.
If you want a non contact sport maybe you'd care too try netball.
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Post by daverichards on Nov 21, 2008 8:27:00 GMT
no wheeling , i was asleep , good article that Joe , have a brownie point ;D
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Post by lordb on Nov 21, 2008 8:30:54 GMT
long term imho we DO need to keep the ball better & indeed we could do with some pace as well as craft.
however if Stoke lost the physical precence & sheer bloody mindeness when defending then we
would end up like Mowbrays Albion i.e. down.
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Post by Hiram on Nov 21, 2008 8:38:53 GMT
"While Albion favour a patient passing game that encourages players to retain possession until an opening is created, Stoke have collected an impressive four wins from six matches at home due in no small part to their full-blooded and high-tempo approach to the game,"
thing is, although the players at Brazil may be encouraged to retain possession, when I've seen them play (esp. against Hull) they can't stop giving it away and are an absolute shambles at the back. They can wait all day for an opening to be created but how many openings do they actually create. Judging from the goals for column not many!.
I like SuperTone's comment about us trying to play through teams - we have done that in some matches especially at home and for the first 35 mins of Boro away - but we definitely lack presence of mind when in possesion, especially against 'good' teams.
I'm pretty confident we'll beat Brazil, though I think we'll have to go a goal down to do it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2008 9:01:56 GMT
Mowbray stated recently that those teams adopting a direct approach "might have one great season" but could not expect to enjoy long-term success. "You can never have consistency playing long-ball and knock downs," said the Albion manager. "You are hoping it drops for you, whereas if you are playing a precision game and playing off the back foot and creating angles and making clever runs, the opposition have got to work hard to stop that because it's not by accident that it happens" Well Mr Mowbray, history tells us that you have not had a prolonged stay in the Premiership so may be you're talking out of your arse! lets see which is the most effective style tomorrow. There is so much that is said about the game of football and how it "s hould " be played. I would guess our style is closer to what happened in the 50's than most other teams. I'm not talking about the so called " long ball" theory, more so the physical presence we bring to the game. If you want a non contact sport maybe you'd care too try netball. I wonder if Mr Mowbray can explain how Allardyce's Bolton were able to merely tweak the long ball style and get into Europe, or indeed why the opposition don't seem to be having "work too hard" to stop his team's "clever runs". |
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 21, 2008 9:05:16 GMT
Quite.
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Post by Dr Oetcake on Nov 21, 2008 9:41:21 GMT
I want to see us bloody flying at these from the whistle tomorrow, an early goal for us would be just what the doctor ordered. I worry with no Ricci though!
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Post by boothenender on Nov 21, 2008 10:07:54 GMT
......go get em stoke .....................
GERONIMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO..........................................!
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Post by growler on Nov 21, 2008 10:51:44 GMT
Surely West Brom's failure is nothig to do with the style of play but all to do with the awful defence.
Mowbray is half right - our tactics won't win us anything at the very top level but they are more likely to keep us in the Premiership than Albion because their passing game can expose their poor defence.
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 21, 2008 12:14:44 GMT
Good post Joe Interesting article...in so far as it perpetuates the stereotypical myth that West-Brazil play lovely..silky-smooth football...whilst we are just ugly bullies.... Mmmmm not sure whether Villa fans would agree with that...  |
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Post by vestanpance on Nov 21, 2008 12:17:19 GMT
Albion's problems all stem from the midfield.
Against Chelsea it was awful. They stand off and don't want to get involved, meaning that the team in possession of the ball gets to dictate the way the game is played. Not fucking ideal if the players in question are the likes of Deco & Lampard.
I like Albion and the way they play, but it's pitty patty nonsense and they are built on shaky foundations. Earning the right to play in the this league isn't easy, and too many times Albion haven't done it.
As for the article, i've said it before and i'll say it again. I'm happy we are labelled one-dimensional. Hopefully it saves people sending scouts up and then when sides do play us, it's a bit of a surprise....
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2008 13:36:43 GMT
Surely West Brom's failure is nothig to do with the style of play but all to do with the awful defence. Mowbray is half right - our tactics won't win us anything at the very top level but they are more likely to keep us in the Premiership than Albion because their passing game can expose their poor defence. Not exactly banging them in at the other end either though are they? |
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Post by growler on Nov 21, 2008 14:34:45 GMT
I wasn't commenting on their attacking prowess, just the awful defence. All I am saying is that if yiou can play decent passing football and have a good defence - e.g. L'pool with Hansen eyc - you are more likely to win things than by playing percentage football.
I'm not having a go at your beloved TP so there is no need to get stroppy.
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Post by bentrep01 on Nov 21, 2008 14:57:26 GMT
It seems to me that that most London based journo`s dont even watch Stoke on tv,this is the sort of pre-concieved crap that weve had written about us all season. ???
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Post by Deleted on Nov 21, 2008 16:04:08 GMT
I wasn't commenting on their attacking prowess, just the awful defence. All I am saying is that if yiou can play decent passing football and have a good defence - e.g. L'pool with Hansen eyc - you are more likely to win things than by playing percentage football. I'm not having a go at your beloved TP so there is no need to get stroppy. Sorry, where exactly did I mention TP anywhere in this thread? My point was that it's not just their poor defence that's the problem (which was your assertion) but that their lovely, beautitious passing game isn't yielding many goals either. Liverpool's winning team which you cite as an example tended to be able to bang a few in. |
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