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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 19, 2008 23:48:36 GMT
If we'd lost it wouldn't be that relevant. Friendlies like this are a chance to experiment and try different things and give fringe players a run out. Still nice to win though.
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Post by Paul Spencer on Nov 20, 2008 2:09:37 GMT
What would have been your starting eleven mumf?
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Post by sheikh al dubai bin stokie on Nov 20, 2008 4:45:16 GMT
John Terry is on £100,000 a week, but the point I'm making we only seem to do the business in bloody friendlies. If this had been for real we'd have lost 3-0. Why we can't stick to the same team/formation when possible is beyond me.We should have played our first team and stick to it.I know injuries play a part in team selection but why do we have to keep swapping and changing. Why substitute the goalkeeper at half time...don't we know who is the best Keeper,....Right back, striker..etc etc... There's no consistency at all... you dont half talk some arse mumf
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 8:01:38 GMT
mumf, why is it that your first reference point is always, ALWAYS how much money people earn? Before anything else you always ALWAYS mention their wages.
When you watch Stoke do you think it's worse for Kitson to make a mistake than Shawcross because he gets more money?
Do you like Plymouth because their players don't earn as much as Stokes players do?
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Post by raytupper on Nov 20, 2008 8:04:13 GMT
I'll tell you when a poor germany side looks good.
It's when the opposing team has Scott 'Desperate Dan' Carson between the bleedin sticks.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 8:07:19 GMT
Why we can't stick to the same team/formation when possible is beyond me
It was a friendly. A chance to try different things. To succeed you need a plan B when the plan A isn't working. It'd defeat the object of the exercise to just go out and play like we usually do.
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Post by DrGonzo on Nov 20, 2008 8:18:46 GMT
...when a £16 million striker can't place a ball into an empty net.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 8:22:00 GMT
I strongly suspect Bent has Andy Cole/James Beattie disease. Good club strikers but unable to make the step up to international level.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 8:22:30 GMT
Why we can't stick to the same team/formation when possible is beyond me It was a friendly. A chance to try different things. To succeed you need a plan B when the plan A isn't working. It'd defeat the object of the exercise to just go out and play like we usually do. And that is the diference between the Germany you played last night and the full 1st team that Germany normally play. While your commentators were going through jizz fest because you had beaten the "mighty" Germany with your 2nd string...... Germany had exactly the same type of team....... not all players who would automatically get on the team sheet and we had two players from Mainz playing for gods sake!!!! That's like having two Stoke players playing for england as at present?!?!?!?!? Low was experimenting with new players as it was only a friendly and giving a last chance to Gomes who is about as useful as a chocolate fireguard. Anyway...... Germany's results in friendlies have never been strong if you look at our history...... as we use them for looking at different players or different blends.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 8:27:27 GMT
as we use them for looking at different players or different blends.
Exactly thats why these games are useful. Playing the first eleven in the same system would be mindless.
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Post by CraigWally on Nov 20, 2008 8:54:52 GMT
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 9:02:25 GMT
Of course..... not disputing that Joe, and it seemed to prove useful for England too. I just wish some balance would be reported when describing the relative strengths of the two teams. Rather it were a useful exercise for both sides then a media jizz fest that became very apparent rather then actaully realising that some players (suprisingly too the media outside the big 4 mentality) were pretty useful internationally.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 9:09:37 GMT
Abonglahor. Thats a good example of what you can learn when you experiment a bit.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 9:18:02 GMT
Looked very good last night..... gave friedrich the bloody run around ..............
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 9:19:58 GMT
I approach 2009 with a feeling of quiet measured optimism.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 9:26:51 GMT
And i approach it with the question......... where our our good "reserves" in the DFB?
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 9:27:40 GMT
What does DFB stand for Forny?
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 9:30:25 GMT
Forny??????
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Post by NorwichStokie on Nov 20, 2008 9:31:03 GMT
When it plays a team of English superstars on £100,000 a week, with an Italian coach on £6million a year. Yes,.. we played well but shouldn't we beat this current German team comfortably..? How many of Germany's players are in the Premier League..? Surely this is just an example of how some people, no matter how well England do, or what sort of record Cappello has (played 7 (3 friendlies), won 5, drawn 1 (friendly), lost 1 (friendly), won't be happy with England's performances. Also, let's not forget, England sit top of their group, 5 points clear of their nearest rivals.
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 9:36:38 GMT
Agree Norwich. Some people are too happy being miserable to be happy. You do find that though.
It's astonishing that FabCap has turned it around so much in a year. At least now we are looking froward. And amazing that some people actually think it isn't good enough.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 9:39:13 GMT
Lol... I'm happy for you.. but Joe you should know that through the years I'll never turn my back on my fatherland Just ask mick and our tin hat syndrome during Euro 2000!!! Oh... if that wasn't at me then..... sorry
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Post by NorwichStokie on Nov 20, 2008 9:39:53 GMT
John Terry is on £100,000 a week, but the point I'm making we only seem to do the business in bloody friendlies. If this had been for real we'd have lost 3-0. Why we can't stick to the same team/formation when possible is beyond me.We should have played our first team and stick to it.I know injuries play a part in team selection but why do we have to keep swapping and changing. Why substitute the goalkeeper at half time...don't we know who is the best Keeper,....Right back, striker..etc etc... There's no consistency at all... It's called 'competition for places' and all (well, most) teams practice it whether it's in an international competition or a domestic league. Friendlies are an ideal time to practice it - see how players perform under the additional pressure of playing for England and how they perform with the other players around them. Friendlies have nothing to do with winning or loosing, but more about how to build a winning side and who to build it with come the big occasion. Friendlies aren't there for our entertainment - they're a means to an end. Beating the Krauts was just a bonus
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 20, 2008 9:41:51 GMT
Amazing that someone actually doesn't grasp why fringe players are used in friendlies.
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Nov 20, 2008 9:46:18 GMT
And that is my point NS..... Germany have been doing it for years and last night was a perfect example. We may have lost but learned a lot from utilising players who would not normally play.. especially outside our bigger teams and who the media have been raving about but have actually been shown to not be as good as they thought. Or at least give them some international experience so that if they may cope better if they play again.
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 20, 2008 11:28:41 GMT
mumf, why is it that your first reference point is always, ALWAYS how much money people earn? Before anything else you always ALWAYS mention their wages. When you watch Stoke do you think it's worse for Kitson to make a mistake than Shawcross because he gets more money? Do you like Plymouth because their players don't earn as much as Stokes players do? Joe... Point 1. I don't ALWAYS mention how much a player earns , however I do believe that when players earn wages of £100,000 a week you would at least expect them to live up to their valuations like qualifying for the European Championships for example. Point 2. No...Every player can make mistakes regardless of his wages but yet again one has to look at his overall performances over a number of games, and as for your example of Dave Kitson...well I'll you decide if he's worth the £5.5 million. Point 3. I don't like Plymouth...I never have, but why do you ALWAYS bring this up as a childish points scoring exercise. Point 4. If you throw in 6 or 7 trialists into a team and 3 or 4 have an exceptional game, it doesn't necessarily follow that when you then put them in the current side alongside the regular players that they will then be compatible and efficient. What we should be doing is 'tinkering' with regards to certain positions so that they can be judged as to how well they can play alongside the regular players. For example...:Try a new left back or right back but leave the centre halves untouched(regulars) Another example: Try changing a pair of strikers Agbonlahor and Bent one game and another two another game, but in the main keep the side a settled one
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Post by Deleted on Nov 20, 2008 11:33:42 GMT
But mumf, much of the core of the team, like Rooney, Gerrard, Rio, Walcott etc., were for various reasons unavailable. What was he supposed to do?
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 20, 2008 11:36:08 GMT
I know...Well you can't do much about this,and my comments are not necessarily solely in relation to this game.
If Rooney and the others were available then my point is that they should when possible be played.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 20, 2008 11:46:50 GMT
How do we always do it in friendlies. See my post last night for further comments
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 20, 2008 11:48:23 GMT
I know...Well you can't do much about this,and my comments are not necessarily solely in relation to this game. If Rooney and the others were available then my point is that they should when possible be played. They are! The England team always has the likes of Rio, Terry, Rooney in because they are automatic choices and its finding players to play around these 'superstars' that is the managers job
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Post by NorwichStokie on Nov 20, 2008 12:54:34 GMT
I know...Well you can't do much about this,and my comments are not necessarily solely in relation to this game. If Rooney and the others were available then my point is that they should when possible be played. So come the World Cup Finals and Rooney, Rio, Lampard, Gerrard, etc are injured, how is Cappello supposed to know who to replace them with unless he's seen the fringe players in action under his command?
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