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Post by mumf14 on Nov 19, 2008 21:28:13 GMT
When it plays a team of English superstars on £100,000 a week, with an Italian coach on £6million a year.
Yes,.. we played well but shouldn't we beat this current German team comfortably..?
How many of Germany's players are in the Premier League..?
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 19, 2008 21:38:34 GMT
Yes our reserves should put 10 past these.
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 19, 2008 21:40:25 GMT
Stoke would comfortably beat these...
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Post by Squeekster on Nov 19, 2008 21:42:51 GMT
Germany are not in the prem though.
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 19, 2008 21:44:13 GMT
Arsenal are...!
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Post by bogus on Nov 19, 2008 22:15:06 GMT
They're currently ranked No.2 in the World, mumf. They haven't hadn't  lost for a year. |
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Post by 10 Pint Potter on Nov 19, 2008 22:20:22 GMT
They're currently ranked No.2 in the World, mumf. They haven't hadn't lost for a year. Euro 2008 final doesn't count anymore then....  |
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Post by chrispk76 on Nov 19, 2008 22:20:43 GMT
how many 100k a week superstars played tonight?
practically england reserves
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Post by Parksy on Nov 19, 2008 22:24:46 GMT
England won because we didn't have the "superstars" playing, we had lads who wanted to play for the shirt. Next time hopefully he will think about that when picking the team, stuff Lampard and Gerard, play someone who cares!
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Post by bogus on Nov 19, 2008 22:26:17 GMT
They're currently ranked No.2 in the World, mumf. They haven't hadn't lost for a year. Euro 2008 final doesn't count anymore then.... I forgot the.............at home. That'll teach me to quote tonight's commentators ;D |
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Post by 10 Pint Potter on Nov 19, 2008 22:26:38 GMT
i did think "here we go again" when bent missed that chance followed by a howler at the other end.
thought the centre of midfield was good particularly carrick, and the two centre backs were solid.
downing was mostly good tonight surprisingly
was England's last home defeat Croatia?? i can't be arsed to double check, if so that's nearly as good as germany
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Post by stokiematt on Nov 19, 2008 22:32:10 GMT
anyone else think downing was toss tonight??
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Post by bogus on Nov 19, 2008 22:34:16 GMT
anyone else think downing was toss tonight?? No. Thought he played really well. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 19, 2008 22:35:59 GMT
I think Downing is toss in general but tonight he played well.
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 19, 2008 22:43:20 GMT
John Terry is on £100,000 a week, but the point I'm making we only seem to do the business in bloody friendlies.
If this had been for real we'd have lost 3-0.
Why we can't stick to the same team/formation when possible is beyond me.We should have played our first team and stick to it.I know injuries play a part in team selection but why do we have to keep swapping and changing.
Why substitute the goalkeeper at half time...don't we know who is the best Keeper,....Right back, striker..etc etc...
There's no consistency at all...
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Post by bogus on Nov 19, 2008 22:51:28 GMT
mumf, when do you get the chance to look at the second string, if not in friendlies?
I think tonight's game was an excellent exercise. The stayaways, legitimate or otherwise, will be looking over their shoulders now, at the very least.
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 19, 2008 22:59:31 GMT
Every Premier league match bogus.!
The England cup winning squad of 66 knew who be playing alongside them every match , with the very occasional swap.That's why we probably won it.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 19, 2008 23:07:15 GMT
Theres a whole load of difference between the Premier League and international football. The pace and style etc. International football is mostly based around ball retention whereas PL football is kick and rush to some extent. Theres no possession football with 3/4 of the PL, only the top sides when playing against the weaker sides can keep the ball for long periods.
Also yes Capello does know that James is his number 1 but what if James is injured come the next qualifier, we end up playing a keeper who hasn't played for god knows how long, or even at all. When was the last time that happenned, oh yes Croatia at home and look what happenned there.
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Post by Parksy on Nov 19, 2008 23:07:34 GMT
Every Premier league match bogus.! The England cup winning squad of 66 knew who be playing alongside them every match , with the very occasional swap.That's why we probably won it. The most regular player for England at the time was someone called Jimmy Greaves, he didn't figure in the final and a young lad called Geoff Hurst replaced him and scored a goal or two. So your point is? |
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Post by Mozzaa on Nov 19, 2008 23:08:14 GMT
I thought Downing played well but apart from a few set pieces they were poor
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 19, 2008 23:11:00 GMT
That was the point Parksy....Although I didn't actually name the players of Hurst and Greaves.
I said .."With the very occasional swap" which turned out to be an inspired move by Ramsey.
The rest of the team picked itself as you will no doubt know.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 19, 2008 23:12:16 GMT
Plus if were going off PL performances then the team would include your Ferdinand, Terry, Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney etc yet you seem to not want these players to play.
For me the major positives out of tonight were Agbonlahor, Upson, Wright-Phillips and, humble pie currently being readied for my consumption shortly, Downing.
4 players who wouldn't of been in the side had everyone been fit and ready or if the team was picked purely on PL performances as Rooney, Ferdinand, Walcott and Joe Cole would have come in.
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 19, 2008 23:15:12 GMT
You can't say we only do the business in friendlies either. We were shocking in numerous friendlies under Sven, yet lost one qualifying match in 6 years aswell as reaching 3 major tournament QF's. Under McLaren we were shocking in both competitive and non-competitive games and under Capello we have a 100% record in comptitive fixtures, including a resounding 4-1 victory against a Croatian side that had not lost at home...EVER!
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Post by Parksy on Nov 19, 2008 23:18:37 GMT
Well maybe I'm not making my point very well (as I have had a few beers in the company of German colleagues ) but I think the difference is the players tonight wanted to prove a point. They were hungry and played well as a unit. Carson was a joke and there is no way he should even be considered for an England cap. I agree that there were so many positives in the team, especially Upson who would walk into that side anyday, injuries or not. So who would be in Capello's shoes come next year with so many to choose from? |
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 19, 2008 23:19:10 GMT
What did we learn...?
Will Beckham ever play again..?
Will Crouch ever play again...(A great record)
Who is the England keeper..?
Will Lampard and Gerrard ever play again TOGETHER in midfield...
...and so it goes on....
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 19, 2008 23:21:40 GMT
A lot of young talent out there despite what the media would like us to believe
Yes
Maybe(Fantastic one actually-but one that he got playing alongside Owen)
James
No-Capello isn't scared of dropping players. He'll see Carrick and Barry are performing and one will play with one of Gerrard/Lampard
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Post by bogus on Nov 19, 2008 23:25:33 GMT
Every Premier league match bogus.! The England cup winning squad of 66 knew who be playing alongside them every match , with the very occasional swap.That's why we probably won it. But they don't get to play with their team mates, as a team, in the Premier League. They also don't face the type/variety of styles in the Premier League that they do in Internationals. It's mostly just fast and furious in the Prem. Capello isn't Wenger, Fergson, Benitez, Scholari et al and has his own ideas. Frank Lampard can't stop scoring for Chelsea, but struggles to hit quite that form for England (I'm being kind there  . Steve Gerrard isn't always as inspirational for England as he is with Liverpool. Andy Cole used to bang them in for fun in the Premier League but couldn't hit a cows arse with a Banjo for England. Do Owen and Rooney play well together because they both play well for their clubs? Heskey scores about 5 goals a season, but is inspired for England. etc etc etc |
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Post by Parksy on Nov 19, 2008 23:25:49 GMT
Would he actually do the cardinal sin of splitting Gerrad and Lampard though? That would need a big decision!
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 19, 2008 23:32:50 GMT
The principle is simple.
You as England coach know what your preferred 1st team squad is and you stick to it.
In doing so the team bonds and relationships are developed at international level.A well rehearsed team is better than 11 superstars who don't know where their nearest team mate will be when he gets the ball.A bit of telepathy ......remember Greece anyone.?
They certainly weren't the best team, but they knew where each player would be at set pieces etc..
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Post by Parksy on Nov 19, 2008 23:38:53 GMT
Mumf - let's face it, Germany were shit tonight. They were really bad. We should take no real solice from this game apart from the performance of a few new names. We can only rate ourselves when we play real football again. Lets not make the mistake of Munich again.
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lost for a year.
. Steve Gerrard isn't always as inspirational for England as he is with Liverpool. Andy Cole used to bang them in for fun in the Premier League but couldn't hit a cows arse with a Banjo for England. Do Owen and Rooney play well together because they both play well for their clubs? Heskey scores about 5 goals a season, but is inspired for England. etc etc etc
