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Post by hchpotter on Nov 18, 2008 11:14:32 GMT
Why so much moaning on this board?
Potentially November 08 could be a historic one for this football club. Home wins v Arsenal, Baggies and Dull. Away point at Wigan.
10 points in one month in the top division. And through to the League Cup quarter final with a home draw against lower league opposition. When was the last time that happened?
And it gets better. Kitson off the mark after winners against Brazil and Dull would be like signing that 5million quid striker we all want. Fuller's first suspension out of the way so he's at full pelt come December.
Lawrence closer to fitness and December brings a cup quarter final and the chance to whoop a jaded United, just back from Japan, live on Sky in front of a packed Britannia on Boxing Day.
What's to moan about? Let's get behind the boys on this board just as well as we have been doing in the Brit on a Saturday. And then we can all help move the club forward.
COME ON STOKE!
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Post by bigcashprizes on Nov 18, 2008 11:18:30 GMT
Well said Sir
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 18, 2008 11:26:06 GMT
Fucks sake-we haven't beaten Hull and West Brom yet-read the counting our chickens thread.
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Post by victoriaboothenboy on Nov 18, 2008 11:26:08 GMT
If only more people saw it like you HCH.Great observation mate!!!
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Post by hchpotter on Nov 18, 2008 11:34:41 GMT
Bayern - i'm not counting chickens mate.
I know things aren't perfect - I was at Old Trafford on Saturday- but the fact is that in two weeks' time we might just be in our best position for decades, and the more we get behind the lads the better the chance of getting to that position.
The support in the ground has been awesome this season but on here it's pretty mediocre. Who would really give a stuff about losing away to Man Utd if we've got to 20 points after the Hull game?
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Post by Strange Boy on Nov 18, 2008 11:38:23 GMT
Fucks sake-we haven't beaten Hull and West Brom yet-read the counting our chickens thread. Agreed! Would love nothing more than to see us dick West Brazil and take at least a point of Hull but...I'm keeping my gob shut till it's actually a reality. ;D |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 18, 2008 11:40:31 GMT
Bayern - i'm not counting chickens mate. I know things aren't perfect - I was at Old Trafford on Saturday- but the fact is that in two weeks' time we might just be in our best position for decades, and the more we get behind the lads the better the chance of getting to that position. The support in the ground has been awesome this season but on here it's pretty mediocre. Who would really give a stuff about losing away to Man Utd if we've got to 20 points after the Hull game? I agree I'm just a fan of karma and thing biting You on Your backside. That's why I don't get involved in being over positive!  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2008 11:43:48 GMT
4 points out of a possible 15 for the month so far. My cup stands at nearly 1/3rd full so far (note not 2/3rds empty!)
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 18, 2008 11:49:45 GMT
Musik, have you changed your username????????  hch, have you got the lotto numbers please for Friday? Good post.  |
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Post by eriksson74 on Nov 18, 2008 12:45:08 GMT
Note to the forum readers - contsructive comments that differ from those of others is not moaning.
However!
Why, stop at Nov 08 if we win all out remaining home games and draw all the away ones, we will be celebarting Champions League football and the Premiership title.
But If we loose Saturday we could be bottom
Derby could beat us
Kitson hasn't got the service to score
Lawrence wasn't exactly doing the business before he got injured and hasn't got the pace we require to make that much of a difference.
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Post by hchpotter on Nov 18, 2008 14:43:17 GMT
eriksson74 - I stopped at the end of November because it's perfectly feasible to think that we can beat West Brom and Hull, whereas it's highly unlikely that we'll go unbeaten and win the league!
If we do win both we take 6 points off teams that might well be pretty close to us at the end of the season and we'll be in an excellent position with more than a third of the season gone.
I'm not having a pop at anyone on here who makes constructive comments but there's a lot on here whose attitude is completely different to the fans in the stadium. The encouragement Kitson got when he came on at Wigan and and at Old Trafford is a lot more useful than some of the comments on here. With Fuller out, Kitson needs our support on Saturday and if he gets it we have a good chance of being in a very healthy position at the end of the month.
Once he gets his first goal he might just fly. All forwards need confidence and Stoke's supporters can help give him some. They can also choose to destroy his confidence and the team will suffer as a result.
Is there any Stokie out there who thinks we have absolutley no chance of beating both Hull and West Brom and putting ourselves in our best position for years?
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Post by Done it for scfcbuxton on Nov 18, 2008 14:49:55 GMT
Exactly Kitson could be our top scorer after the Derby game. Hows that for positive.
Hat trick on Saturday
2 v Hull
1 v Derby
6 points, semi finals of the cup, record scorer off the mark.
Happiness, happiness
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Post by trebor63 on Nov 18, 2008 18:57:03 GMT
I guess this thread and indeed this message board shows some people are positive people who habitualy look on the bright side and always look forward to the future with a great attitude.
Sadly it shows there are other people who constantly look on the black side always look for negatives and are permanently oozing negativity.
I think we all know which category we all fall in and I think we all know which type of person is most likely to succede in life and which type of person is likely to be popular and which isn't!
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Post by crimesy on Nov 18, 2008 19:02:25 GMT
great posts.. this season has bought the best out in our fans.. i have said 3 times this month "best post i've ever read", not quite worth that here, but still, a great positive post and the sort that should be posted more often.  |
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Post by hchpotter on Nov 19, 2008 8:55:13 GMT
Cheers Garfield but let's be honest - it's not the post that's great; it's the fact that over the next few weeks Stoke have got their best opportunity in a generation to really establish a foothold in the top division.
And if we do get to the 20 points by the end of November we will be a far more attractive proposition when Tone starts chatting to players and agents in December ahead of the January transfer window.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 8:57:49 GMT
Eriksson in "glass half empty" shocker.
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Post by eriksson74 on Nov 19, 2008 12:35:47 GMT
eriksson74 - I stopped at the end of November because it's perfectly feasible to think that we can beat West Brom and Hull, whereas it's highly unlikely that we'll go unbeaten and win the league! If we do win both we take 6 points off teams that might well be pretty close to us at the end of the season and we'll be in an excellent position with more than a third of the season gone. I'm not having a pop at anyone on here who makes constructive comments but there's a lot on here whose attitude is completely different to the fans in the stadium. The encouragement Kitson got when he came on at Wigan and and at Old Trafford is a lot more useful than some of the comments on here. With Fuller out, Kitson needs our support on Saturday and if he gets it we have a good chance of being in a very healthy position at the end of the month. Once he gets his first goal he might just fly. All forwards need confidence and Stoke's supporters can help give him some. They can also choose to destroy his confidence and the team will suffer as a result. Is there any Stokie out there who thinks we have absolutley no chance of beating both Hull and West Brom and putting ourselves in our best position for years? The support the players get is unquestioned backed up by the shows of support for Kitson eminating from the stands. The fans are posative in their support to lift the players on the pitch. That does not stop us questioning away from the pitch concerns about approach / tactics and the current sitaution on the message board. It is not negative its pointing out the areas that need improving. If we all accpted everything is rosy it masks over some of the shortcomings and failings which if leant from could improve the current situation and go towards establishing ourselves in the Premiership It can always be better and to stop striving to make a situation better is just plain negilgent, therefore its important objectively look at the situation and see where we can improve. Yes if we win the next 2 games we will be in a decent position, but if we loose we are in the shit, its a fine line and at present in my view the negatives outweigh the posatives. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2008 13:40:54 GMT
You've got to look at context though. Yes, there are a few problems with our tactics and team selection away from home, but in spite of that, we're in mid-November in 15th place, having taken four points off the big four, and having beaten sides like Villa, Spurs and Sunderland to boot. Would anyone not have taken that at this stage with both hands before a ball was kicked, or even after the Bolton game?
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Post by hchpotter on Nov 19, 2008 13:49:20 GMT
erikkson - the negatives don't outweigh the positives. Coming into the season there were a good few that expected us to spend the season firmly entrenched in the bottom three. There were even some who thought we'd do a Derby. We haven't. POSITIVE
The fact is we are about as close to half way in the league as we are to the bottom. Some will chose to see this as us being in the shit. But I think being in touch with mid table is a POSITIVE.
Others will think that with 2 home games on the bounce to come, and having already played the 5 best teams in the country, we are pretty well placed. POSITIVE
You can bet that, ever since the day the fixtures were announced, this run of games against Brazil, Dull, Newcastle and Fulham was identified by the club as a period where we should pick up some points. POSITIVE
Support and attendances this season. POSITIVE
League Cup Quarter Final after all this time. POSITIVE. At home. POSITIVE. V Derby. POSITIVE.
Tone is not going to change his tactics at home because they've been succesful and have brought 12 points. POSITIVE
Pulis knows we need to improve - look at the improvements in Griff and Shawcross. Ab Faye superb and Danny looking good at left back. POSITIVE.
He's sorted his priority - the defence and now he can look to improve midfield but there's no point in altering the way we play for the West Brom game. We have contrasting styles and recent history suggests we are better at our game than they are at theirs. POSITIVE
The Baggies won't believe their luck if we suddenly change to the beautiful game this Saturday.
Away from home perhaps we could have approached Wigan, Bolton and Portsmouth differently. I agree with you some away games have been a NEGATIVE.
Against Middlesbrough we were clearly the better team when it was 11 v 11. Against Liverpool we were lucky, and against United we were outclassed. No great shame.
If you're hacked off now what the hell must you have been like when we were losing 2nd division play offs to Stockport, getting knocked out of the F.A Cup by Tamworth, being eliminated on penalties by Rochdale in round 1 of the League Cup (just last season).
We've come a long way and yes there's still a lot of room for improvement. It's not going to be easy this season but for God's sake let's enjoy it!
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Post by truckerged on Nov 19, 2008 16:06:26 GMT
tis a great post hch some people on here have very short memories yes we got dicked at old trafford is that a suprise to anyone? my glass is definatly over half full.
i have to admit i am very pleasantly suprised by how things have gone this season and long may it continue
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