jim76
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Post by jim76 on Nov 16, 2008 23:19:57 GMT
Seeing, on this board, how some (such as the sad individual from Congleton) seek to justify their gloryhunting. Let me explain why most of us despise and pity you....and despise Man U. as the club that is mostly the focus of your 'loyalty' The reasons are simple...
One author, writing about Stoke, and how Stoke F.C. emerged in the area put it...."...by the time Stoke played their first game at the Victoria Ground, football was, first and foremost, the sport of the 'working' people. Football grounds grew up close to the heart of industrial communities and became landmarks which strongly contributed to the identity of the urban landscape. They were indelibly linked to the harsh rhythems of life, work and play and were as much a centre of communities as the town halls, schools, unions and churches factories and pubs from where their officials, players and supporters were drawn. The identities of these clubs and their grounds was part of, and often a focus for a stubborn pride that people had for their community. The roar of the crowds assembled inside these grounds would be a collective assertion of this IDENITY, COMMUNITY and MUTUAL AFFINITY".
These roots....This sense of belonging.....This identity... is why we support our local side. We have deep kinship and affinity with our area, our club and our people.
You 'gloryhunters' have affinity not with this - but with a 'brand'.
A psychologists' explaination for your actions would be that your lack of any personal esteem or achievement, leads you to seek 'success' by 'association' - by 'associating' yourself with the successful.
More important than success on the pitch is the great reward of the belonging to a club.....a club that also belongs to your family, your forefathers, your history, your mates, your community, your area.
Do you get it? This is why we find you sad. This is why we find you contemptable. But above all - this is why we should pity you.
Any of us could choose to support Man U. Why don't we? Why would we never do this? Because the rewards for supporting our home team - Stoke - far far outway the pitiful 'fix' experienced by the lamentable gloryhunter.
Long live loyalty.
SCFC
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Post by Danstoke82 on Nov 17, 2008 8:25:40 GMT
Spot on! Amen to that reverend!
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Post by Pedropotter on Nov 17, 2008 8:51:48 GMT
Jim - I think that is the best post I've ever read - and I've read a few. Well done.
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Post by Beardy200 on Nov 17, 2008 9:04:36 GMT
Nail and head son
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 17, 2008 9:16:16 GMT
Glory hunters......... As I was driving to the match I drove along the A34 towards the D road and waiting by the little Chef were around 20 people in Man U shirts clearly waiting for transport. What is the matter with these people. You live in S-o-T. Were you born in Manchester? Were your parents born in Manchester? If not I hope your knobs fall off and your fannies seal up. I really do hate glory hunters. Cracking post jim.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Nov 17, 2008 9:26:15 GMT
But shirley Menorcasi, Portsmouth is the nearest Premier League club to where you live!
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 17, 2008 9:59:44 GMT
Ye Forny, yo probably rate mucker but thee conner towk propper darn there.
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 17, 2008 10:08:25 GMT
What an absolute load of rubbish, the reason most hate united is the fact that they have been the best team in England for many a year!!! Jealousy is what drives people, tbh I couldn't care less how united do, or chelsea or any one else. The less you concentrate on other teams the more respect you get for supporting your own I say!!!
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 17, 2008 10:15:47 GMT
Matt, I think you're missing the point. We are all indeed jealous of the might of Liverpool and Man u over the years but why do people from this area not support there local club? Why don't they support DArlington or Leyton Orient? I'll tell you why, because they are GLORY HUNTERSThey should be removed from the City or put down, whichever is cheapest in my opinion.
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 17, 2008 10:32:37 GMT
I see where your coming from, but you cant blame them really. I have a stoke and vale season ticket and have done both for the last 8 years (tin hat ready), but I've watched alot of terrible football and at times have been at the point of breakdown.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 17, 2008 10:35:50 GMT
I see where your coming from, but you cant blame them really. I have a stoke and vale season ticket and have done both for the last 8 years (tin hat ready), but I've watched alot of terrible football and at times have been at the point of breakdown. Well, if you got rid of your Vale season ticket you wouldn't have to get to that point of breakdown would you?
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 17, 2008 10:40:04 GMT
Every year I think of choosing 1 (season ticket) and with stoke now in the prem the decision was made even harder this year, but just cant bring myself to do it.
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Post by Smudge_SCFC on Nov 17, 2008 10:51:18 GMT
What an absolute load of rubbish, the reason most hate united is the fact that they have been the best team in England for many a year!!! Jealousy is what drives people, tbh I couldn't care less how united do, or chelsea or any one else. The less you concentrate on other teams the more respect you get for supporting your own I say!!! Sorry Matt, the "Load of rubbish" bit describes only your own comments. The original poster has it bang on. It has nothing to do with success. I'm not jealous of anybody's success. I don't hate Arsenal, Chelsea Liverpool, Rangers, Celtic, Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Benfica, AC Milan, Juventus, etc, and they all enjoy incredible success. I hate them because of what they stand for and the beacon they are for gloryhunters. I hate all gloryhunters and Man Utd have the most. It really is that simple. I couldn't care less about the success they've had. If Stoke aren't going to win a trophy then I couldn't give a toss who else wins it - unless it's one of our main rivals of course!
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 17, 2008 10:56:28 GMT
Your entitled to your opinion Smudge, although you naming foreign examples is rather pointless.
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 17, 2008 11:11:16 GMT
Arsenal, Chelsea Liverpool are not foreign!
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Post by RipRoaringPotter on Nov 17, 2008 11:14:48 GMT
ManUre have probabley got a hardcore of about 30,000 that generally know there stuff about football and can hold down a decent conversation (although I must say a few of them still talk with a degree of arrogance that can make talking to them a mild irritance(sp?)).
Then there's the shit, the scum and shame of football who mince round in their shirts but don't have a clue. They can be identified by a self-important smug look on their face, shouting shit comments like 'watch the runner' when watching a game on TV and an all-round confused look on their face when ManUre concede a goal.
Let's not get it wrong though- all the top four are the same. It just so happens that we're talking about ManUre as we just played them.
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 17, 2008 11:16:49 GMT
Real Madrid, Bayern Munich, Benfica, AC Milan, Juventus are!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Post by heyupna on Nov 17, 2008 11:40:13 GMT
First Man Utd fans seen in TORQUAY, i had been away for the week and on leaving the town i saw agroup of Manure fans waiting to be picked up all in their tops carrying their little rucksacks, i already had a hangover and with the early start made me feel sick. It got no better as i was passing them all the way to old trafford, just goes to show all what Jim says has some justification, the point or should i say question i always ask these people is, if we all supported the top four sides and did not support local teams football as we know it would be finished , that does not bare thinking about and i for one would not be interested.
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 17, 2008 11:54:58 GMT
At least these people go to games, what is more annoying is those who try and tell me this and that about stoke and vale but they've never actually been a match in their life!!!
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 17, 2008 12:13:01 GMT
Matt, I think you have quite a valid point in the respect that these are people who do go too the games. The real Glory Cunters are the ones that wouldn't know where Old Trafford was, even if they'd got sat nav.
We have got our hangers on for shaw as our attendances are up by round about 10k but this is what the Prem is about. I'm sure if we do get relegated this season we'll still average over 20,000 next year.
It's funny that 3 years ago, many more Chelsea fans could be seen walking the streets. Why, because they won the Premiership title. I'm certain that if we took a look through their wardrobes they would also be the proud owners of Liverpool, Arsenal and Man U shirts as well.
I blame the parents. ;D
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Post by andrewguk on Nov 17, 2008 12:31:28 GMT
I agree with matt1986. I was born in Stoke on Trent & most of my Uncle's support Man Utd & Have done for all of their lives.
I'll watch Man Utd on TV (sometimes) if their on because I love football & because most of my family support Man Utd.
TBH, I don't care who other people support. I support Stoke City FC!
The most important thing to me is Stoke City Football Club!!
Does it really matter if people are glory hunters??? Why concentrate on glory hunters all the time instead of talking about Stoke City FC??
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Post by Menorca Stokie on Nov 17, 2008 12:40:31 GMT
Do you get down too Devon very often too see your Uncles. Nice in the summer I gather.
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Post by andrewguk on Nov 17, 2008 12:45:31 GMT
Do you get down too Devon very often too see your Uncles. Nice in the summer I gather. One lives in Manchester & the others in Stafford! ;D I just think that over the weekend Stoke City fans have been talking a lot about so called 'glory hunters' Does it really matter what team somebody else supports?? The answer is 'NO' The one thing that matters to me & everyone on this message board is Stoke City Football Club.
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Post by stan on Nov 17, 2008 14:39:25 GMT
What an absolute load of rubbish, the reason most hate united is the fact that they have been the best team in England for many a year!!! Jealousy is what drives people, tbh I couldn't care less how united do, or chelsea or any one else. The less you concentrate on other teams the more respect you get for supporting your own I say!!! Utter bollocks. I'm not remotely envious of Manchester United's success. There was a post by somebody who reckoned that Stokies were tingling watching last year's CL final. I certainly bloody wasn't. I would probably be tingling if Stoke had been involved but, otherwise, it had no appeal to me whatever, to be honest. I was buzzing when we managed that tremendous comeback at Coventry but that was because it was Stoke, MY team. Stoke aren't obsessed with Manchester United, far from it. Yes, they are hated in S-O-T -always have been and always will be- but when we are not playing them, they hardly register a thought. What they do next Saturday is a complete and utter irrelevance to me.
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 17, 2008 15:28:30 GMT
Speak for yourself stan, not 'stoke' - your opinion does not fit all
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Post by stan on Nov 17, 2008 15:35:28 GMT
Do you really think anything like even a sizeable minority will give Man Utd a thought next Saturday afternoon, matt? It will be about Stoke, as it is always is, mate.
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birly
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Post by birly on Nov 17, 2008 15:39:00 GMT
Its not jealousy at all,Its the way these 'fans' think they can talk down to Stoke supporters like we are shit,even though they havent been within 40 miles of Old trafford. In my local there are a few Liverpool,Chelsea and Man Utd fans there.....The only one i can have a proper Conversation with regarding football is a Man utd fan who is actually a Manc!I tell the others I wont speak football with them because they have no credibility as supporters!They love that!
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Post by matt1986 on Nov 17, 2008 15:40:21 GMT
My arguement was that alot of people hate united because of their success rather than the fact that their fans are glory hunters, not that stoke fans think about them 24/7
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Post by wizzardofdribble on Nov 17, 2008 15:45:45 GMT
Seeing, on this board, how some (such as the sad individual from Congleton) seek to justify their gloryhunting. Let me explain why most of us despise and pity you....and despise Man U. as the club that is mostly the focus of your 'loyalty' The reasons are simple... One author, writing about Stoke, and how Stoke F.C. emerged in the area put it...."...by the time Stoke played their first game at the Victoria Ground, football was, first and foremost, the sport of the 'working' people. Football grounds grew up close to the heart of industrial communities and became landmarks which strongly contributed to the identity of the urban landscape. They were indelibly linked to the harsh rhythems of life, work and play and were as much a centre of communities as the town halls, schools, unions and churches factories and pubs from where their officials, players and supporters were drawn. The identities of these clubs and their grounds was part of, and often a focus for a stubborn pride that people had for their community. The roar of the crowds assembled inside these grounds would be a collective assertion of this IDENITY, COMMUNITY and MUTUAL AFFINITY". These roots....This sense of belonging.....This identity... is why we support our local side. We have deep kinship and affinity with our area, our club and our people. You 'gloryhunters' have affinity not with this - but with a 'brand'. A psychologists' explaination for your actions would be that your lack of any personal esteem or achievement, leads you to seek 'success' by 'association' - by 'associating' yourself with the successful. More important than success on the pitch is the great reward of the belonging to a club.....a club that also belongs to your family, your forefathers, your history, your mates, your community, your area. Do you get it? This is why we find you sad. This is why we find you contemptable. But above all - this is why we should pity you. Any of us could choose to support Man U. Why don't we? Why would we never do this? Because the rewards for supporting our home team - Stoke - far far outway the pitiful 'fix' experienced by the lamentable gloryhunter. Long live loyalty. SCFC Great post.. I would just add that not all Glory-Hunters are un-successful, in fact many are quite wealthy and famous...but the difference between us and them..is that they try and buy an identity with their money...and attach themselves to something they see as 'successful' instead of showing loyalty..passion and commitment to a team...come wind, rain or shine..win, lose or draw it doesn't matter to us..we will ALWAYS BE STOKEAnd buying an identity is like trying to buy love...it doesn't work...and it never will...today its Man U..tomorrow its Chelsea..and the week after its Liverpool..
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Post by wrighter on Nov 17, 2008 15:46:39 GMT
have a stroll round Bournemouth !!
you get the local[not grokkles] wearing their AIG shirts. best bit is asking them to name the current Utd side ;D ;D
not born in Stoke, born down here in "the sarf" but Stoke have been MY team for 50yrs+ and god, am i fookin proud !
ps be nice to get a bloody ticket mind now we are in the prem ;D
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