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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Nov 16, 2008 19:30:08 GMT
The esteemed football writer Brian Glanville wrote: "Any hope Stoke City, so outwardly inferior in technique, individual talent and flair, had of surprising United in similar circumstances as their defeat of Arsenal disappeared as early as the third minute."
Inferior? Is this the same Stoke City that people post about on here?
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Post by PolPotter on Nov 16, 2008 19:32:14 GMT
Brian is right. There was no way on this earth we were going to match Manchester United.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Nov 16, 2008 19:41:07 GMT
Once upon a time, we did. We not only matched them, we beat them. But in those days we did have individual talent and flair.
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Post by surreystokie on Nov 16, 2008 19:44:44 GMT
Dallas, I bumped into Brizn, at Man. Piccadilly, and spent a while, in conversation, on the train. He was so enthusiastic about past interveiws with Stan, recalling Steele, Soo etc, that I felt quite old.  If you're interested, his collection of footballers' obituaries, has been published in book form. |
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Post by victoriaboothenboy on Nov 16, 2008 19:56:26 GMT
It tooke Waddo 5/6 Years of consolidation in the old Div.1 before he could get the players capable of beating Best,Charlton & Co. - So we live in hope!!
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Post by daverichards on Nov 16, 2008 20:01:43 GMT
Once upon a time, we did. We not only matched them, we beat them. But in those days we did have individual talent and flair. we also had a far more level playing field No sky money No champions league money No global merchandising operation No Premier League prize money Oh and that small matter of shared gate reciepts |
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Post by stokemark on Nov 16, 2008 20:08:12 GMT
As was mentioned recently in a Mirror article
Introduce a salary cap and then maybe, just maybe it would offer some sort of chance for 'sport' to take place -
Ronaldo is on, what, £120K a week ? Come on Brian - Acknowledge that times have changed since football was'fair'
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 16, 2008 23:47:14 GMT
Brian Glanville's ace. He still refers to the Premier League as the 'Greed is Good league'!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 16, 2008 23:49:35 GMT
Once upon a time, we did. We not only matched them, we beat them. But in those days we did have individual talent and flair. It's not really 1973 anymore Dallas. It was all a dream. |
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Post by mumf14 on Nov 16, 2008 23:50:23 GMT
He's scrawped his way up the ladder....He used to write for the MIRROR..
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Post by swampySCFC on Nov 16, 2008 23:59:25 GMT
To me yesterday was about the haves and the have nots.
Then I tend to think about what we have and what others do not have.
Its all relative. There are people who watch Carlisle every week who could easily jump on a bus to Manchester and be back home by 8. But they dont.
They are the people that make football not those cunts' that go to OT.
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Post by serpico on Nov 17, 2008 0:01:03 GMT
As was mentioned recently in a Mirror article Introduce a salary cap and then maybe, just maybe it would offer some sort of chance for 'sport' to take place - Ronaldo is on, what, £120K a week ? Come on Brian - Acknowledge that times have changed since football was'fair' Have to say, the salary cap is a very bad idea, one of the first things you would see is a exodus of the better players to other countries who don't have restrictions on wage amounts, do people really want the better players to leave these shores ? cause I don't. |
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Post by JoeinOz on Nov 17, 2008 0:09:54 GMT
A salary cap wouldn't work at all. It's one of those rules that would be there simply to be broken.
Before the abolition of the maximum wage there was several stories of how clubs got around it. One was of a player who, after a match, used to go and play snooker with the chairman for money. The deal was that the chairman would let him win so he'd give him the money and that was how he got his extra payment.
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Post by daverichards on Nov 17, 2008 8:33:24 GMT
It doesn't work in rugby league either , many clubs employ players wive's in some spurious role for a decent salary
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Post by mcf on Nov 17, 2008 8:37:44 GMT
How astute of you Brian, how very fucking astute.  |
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Post by DrGonzo on Nov 17, 2008 8:45:05 GMT
"do people really want the better players to leave these shores ? cause I don't. "
To be honest I couldn't care less.
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Post by albanianstokie on Nov 17, 2008 9:21:42 GMT
A general salary cap wouldn't work, I can see an American system of players being drafted by member clubs, who are then allowed to pay one or 2 stars obscene amounts, with the rest being subject to salary cap working though.
No need for exodus of star players, just will be distributed more fairly.
No suprises that we got stuffed Saturday, just get up dust ourselves off and prepare for war in our next two vital home games.
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Post by sheikhmomo on Nov 17, 2008 12:09:47 GMT
In other news, Glanville predicts that Chelsea, Man Utd, Liverpool and Arsenal may make up the top four. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 17, 2008 15:48:08 GMT
Post when we're losing, You only post when we're losing, post when we're losing! |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Nov 17, 2008 18:18:19 GMT
Au contraire, mon ami.
I do not enjoy reading a report about Stoke where they are described as inferior in terms of technique, individual talent and flair.
Stoke were once a club synonymous with creative talent and it grieves me to see us described this way.
I am sure many older Stokies who remember the likes of Dobing, Greenhoff, Eastham and, of course, Alan Hudson feel exactly the same.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 17, 2008 18:33:48 GMT
Oh give over! What did You expect? I couldn't give a monkies chuff about the old team with regard to this one. A lot of things have happened since then and quite frankly its pathetic and low to have a dig that we were inferior to Man Yoo. Most teams in the world are! |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 18:39:13 GMT
Au contraire, mon ami. I do not enjoy reading a report about Stoke where they are described as inferior in terms of technique, individual talent and flair. Stoke were once a club synonymous with creative talent and it grieves me to see us described this way. I am sure many older Stokies who remember the likes of Dobing, Greenhoff, Eastham and, of course, Alan Hudson feel exactly the same. The game has changed immeasurably since then and any such comparisons are utterly, utterly redundant. |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Nov 17, 2008 19:00:49 GMT
The game on the pitch still relies on players of skill, creativity and vision. It would appear that Stoke no longer have those kinds of players, according to Glanville. I find that sad for the reason cited above.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 17, 2008 19:03:19 GMT
We do lack creativity but I still don't think Your argument is valid when the comparison is to Man Yoo today and how good we were nealry 40 f**kin years ago!
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 19:08:13 GMT
The game on the pitch still relies on players of skill, creativity and vision. It would appear that Stoke no longer have those kinds of players, according to Glanville. I find that sad for the reason cited above. He doesn't say we don't have those players, just that we, newly promoted Stoke City, were inferior in those respects to Premier League and European Champions Manchester United. |
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Nov 17, 2008 19:11:59 GMT
The point is that Man Utd have always been one of the best teams in the UK, save for the season they got relegated. And we did compete with them in the past when they fielded the likes of Best, Law and Charlton.
Manchester United were European Champions in 1968. In the following season, Stoke drew 0-0 with them at home and 1-1 away.
Like, I said we could compete and fielded players with flair and creativity.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 17, 2008 19:13:31 GMT
Yes but it was a more even playing field then wasn't it, when the game wasn't totally dominated by money and a team could be promoted and then have a serious crack at the league title the following season. Unfortunately, those days are long gone, and the excesses the likes of Manchester United possess are many, many times greater than our own.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 17, 2008 19:16:01 GMT
Are You being serious Dallas? There is no comparison and we will never be on the same level as them bar for an Arab Sheikh to buy us. Your problem I think is with the state of football in general not Stoke.
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Post by Dallas Cowboy on Nov 17, 2008 19:18:55 GMT
No, my problem is with the lack of creativity, a problem you already agree we have.
I do realize that it isn't as easy to find such creativity on the cheap as it used to be back in the 1960s and 1970s.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Nov 17, 2008 19:32:53 GMT
The way You are going about it though looks like You're desperate to have a dig at TP. If You had come and said "Oh I think we lack creativity" many would agree. To compare now and then and Stoke vs Man Yoo was the wrong way about it imo.
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