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Post by eeebygum on Jan 9, 2008 11:35:55 GMT
This has been of concern for a while. Where I sit in the Boothen there have been quite a number of arguments between people almost to the point of fights breaking out. To perhaps use some old fashioned words, the lack of respect and courtesy is very alarming. This has often been reflected on this board towards the Club with an almost uncompromising and bullying approach to most things, particularly as a minority have dominated debate and comment. We are supposed to be on the SAME SIDE!! And that includes supporters and the Club. It is time for some wider attitudes to change if the Club is really to get better and attract new supporters (as an aside I know a number of people who will not come or bring children/wives/friends to football in general because of the level of abuse/swearing, etc). Supporters also have a part to play, particularly towards 'our own'. Hope you feel better soon fella.
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Post by y_oh_y_delilah on Jan 9, 2008 11:41:48 GMT
Martin, please let me add my best wishes for a speedy recovery and a fervent hope that the actions of these low-life degenerates won't stop you supporting the club you love.
Just a couple of other points - The problem with helping someone under attack is that if the stewards (don't laugh!) do get involved, then often the very people who are trying to help become instant 'troublemakers' themselves in their eyes, possibly because the intelligence level of these people doesn't allow them to make rational judgments of exactly who is under attack and who is at blame for the assault. Result - everyone involved become hooligans.
Secondly, I really do wonder why stewards are employed at all. Apart from the obvious smoking issue that they couldn't care less about, sooner or later, particularly at full-time, there is going to be a serious accident caused by the exit stairways being blocked by fans standing and waiting for the final whistle while others are trying to make their way past them and out of the stadium. The stewards never,ever take any action to ask people who have left their seat to move on and like I say, sooner or later ..........
Anyway, rant over and again Martin, don't let the hooligans win!
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Post by RAF on Jan 9, 2008 11:47:04 GMT
And some people on here still call for the ID cards to be lifted. No chance while wankers like this are still getting in.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2008 11:52:43 GMT
All the best Martin, this is a very bad 'do'
There are still plenty of good Stokies who are with you 'every step along the way'
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Post by spitthedog on Jan 9, 2008 12:02:26 GMT
'It is time for some wider attitudes to change if the Club is really to get better and attract new supporters (as an aside I know a number of people who will not come or bring children/wives/friends to football in general because of the level of abuse/swearing, etc). Supporters also have a part to play, particularly towards 'our own'.'
Top comment eeebygum.
I have at times been embarrassed by the idiots that this club seems to attract. This kind of behaviour hardly helps when re-assuring potential supporters to pay an occasional visit to the Brit. Of course some folk on this board seem to think you should stay away anyway unless you are committed to attending all home and away games. Occasional attenders are written off as 'Glory Hunters'. and probably deserve to get abused at matches.
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Post by Admin on Jan 9, 2008 12:06:22 GMT
There is enough CCTV footage of the fans inside the ground. The police should sift through all of it from the Newcastle game until the culprits are identified. They can then be charged and banned.
A total disgrace that knuckle-dragging fuckwits should attack another Stoke City supporter!
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Post by PerCyfilth ....Captains Log on Jan 9, 2008 12:10:36 GMT
YOY nail on head mate! If these yobs are season ticket holders (which i doubt) and Martin can identify the area they were in the club has a chance to identify and ban them and more importantly with Martins help prosecute them. We moan about the number of Non goers yet with this happening its hardly likely to improve attendances is it? Any waverers will not go for an experience like this. Plus Martins lad , a future Stoke fan for years to come may now decide he doesnt want to support a club whose own fans wallop his dad.
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Post by fuggers on Jan 9, 2008 12:22:41 GMT
Exactly RAF.
I thank Stoke City for stopping such nob ends attending away games.
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Post by clan2 on Jan 9, 2008 12:35:22 GMT
First of all may i add i am absolutely disgusted by this and hope your injuries aren`t too serious .
Though i am not proud to admit to my past that i have been involved in a few punch ups in my younger days with the opposition down at the old Vic [25yr ago] never would i or the rest of the Clan so to speak start agro with other Stoke fans in fact as a young 19-20yr if a 30-40yr told you to behave you did just that sadly, how times have changed and lucky for me i saw sense and have grown up something i fear that the youth of today will not.
RAF/ Andy mate hope your well even, I.D cards carn`t sort tossers out like these Cowardly Scumbags.
As for the stewards light a fag up in the stands they are onto you like a ton of bricks get the shit kicked out of you they stand and watch the mind Boggles
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Post by stayingupfor GermanStokie on Jan 9, 2008 12:39:14 GMT
Do let the dicks that did this keep you away from Stoke Martin. Hope you're ok Hope you meant that Martin does the opposite Keep strong Martin.. don't let the buggers get you down
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Post by serpico on Jan 9, 2008 13:26:31 GMT
No doubt the white lightening drinking pituitary retarded chavs who did this are having a good laugh about it, they should be identified and if found guilty banned for life from the club only allowed to return to clean out the shitters after home games as punishment.
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Post by RAF on Jan 9, 2008 13:28:59 GMT
John , Hi mate I'm fine thanks. I now id cards can't sort them out really, but do people think Stoke will relax the laws of the card while shit like this is still happening to their own by their own? Will they fucking hellers like. Scumbags.
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Post by Mr Jon on Jan 9, 2008 13:36:58 GMT
"Thugs" is the wrong word for these people, as it implies that they have a degree of "hardness". They're not hard.
Cowards is the word for them. 8 of them against 1 man and his teenage son. If it had been 2 against 2 the wankers would have run a mile.
Even if the stewards didn't directly intervene, they should've at least radioed for police back-up and identified the scrotes and had them arrested. The stadium manager needs to identify the failing stewards and reprimand them.
As an earlier poster said, hopefully a poster on this board knows who they are and will shop them. If someone does know them, then I wouldn't worry about them dishing out retribution; I'd be more worried about (to quote Denis Healey) "being savaged by a dead sheep".
Get well soon Martin and enjoy the rest of the season mate!
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Post by Northy on Jan 9, 2008 13:49:35 GMT
Hope you are well soon Martin and back where you want to be - watching Stoke. They should have more than lifetime bans from every footbvall ground in the UK, they should have their hands chopped off so they can't punch innocent people again - make an example and sort these scum out
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2008 14:03:57 GMT
Hope you get well soon Martin. Dunner let em get yer down, duck; get fit and then get back in there.
Stewards: The issue is Stoke has two types of steward. Those who are contracted to help supporters (find seats, put out fags, stop from standing), and those contacted to throw the chavs out of the ground.
There are far more of the former than the latter, and the latter are usually positioned near/in the trouble spots. This is why you usually see stewards running to incidents, especially when the incident is in the home-end.
The FF moaned and moaned about stewarding to the club, but unless more is paid (much more) then you aren't going to get people willing to stick their head in where it hurts ... And so certain areas of the ground aren't "policed" by people capable of (or willing to) sort out a gang of our chavs.
And getting round banning orders, for an all-ticket, big game is easy ... So it'll be no surprise if the chavs are already banned, or have been banned in the recent past.
(And a life ban is the least they can expect if they are caught - I'm amazed plod wasn't on duty videoing the crowd for such a high profile game - and the Boothen is almost-blanket covered by CCTV, so it'll be a bit amazing if they aren't caught on that anyway).
Hope you get over the ordeal soon, Martin, and get back to watching us get promoted.
ah
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Post by myleftboot on Jan 9, 2008 14:05:27 GMT
No doubt the white lightening drinking pituitary retarded chavs who did this are having a good laugh about it, they should be identified and if found guilty banned for life from the club only allowed to return to clean out the shitters after home games as punishment. Let me know the night before I will have a huge curry and save it up without flushing. ;D On a different note well said Andy. I mean if they do get away with it then surely it will highlight the serious security issues that we may have at the Britt. If they do find them on camera I doubt we will see their faces to identify them. It makes me mad as hell to be honest as all the guy did was ask them to stop being idiots. I have actually seen numerous examples of people who are banned getting tickets to watch the games. In the case of the QPR game (not the ones who ran on the pitch) there were 2 lads bragging about it in front of me. I know we do not want this nanny state of football and it is hard to say what can be done but surely it is something to bring up again mate as there must be some cost effective solution to sorting the problem out.
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 9, 2008 14:14:53 GMT
Andy, I understand your point about two types of stewards. What I don't understand is why the "touchy feely, helpful, don't want no trouble" stewards didn't call in the heavy mob (either stewards or Police) when the incident was reported to them?
Surely there must be something in their job description which says "if you can't handle something yourself, get help from someone who can." That was pretty standard procedure at my place of work and I would have thought it was the same in most jobs.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 9, 2008 15:01:23 GMT
Andy, I understand your point about two types of stewards. What I don't understand is why the "touchy feely, helpful, don't want no trouble" stewards didn't call in the heavy mob (either stewards or Police) when the incident was reported to them? That's the bit I don't understand from the article. That policy (radio for help when you need it) is exactly what is in place. So, whilst I can see why nothing was done immediately, I don't understand why they were allowed to "return to their seats and watch the rest of the game"? My guess is that the chavs couldn't be definately identified by stewards at the time, so they are waiting for footage and will then let the police deal with it. I think my bigger issue - as raised by a few already on this topic - is; given how public this appears to have been, what were the 100-odd Stokies sitting near to Martin doing when it kicked off? If the country continues to wait for the authorities to sort stuff out, it's going to go even further down the sh*tter than it is already. People need to take responsibility for themselves, the law has been clarified; so a damn good kicking would not have resulted in those sorting-it-out getting in trouble (and even if it did, taking a stand would be worth the pain). (And I'm no longer on the FF; but a mail to Tel or to the Supporters Club would get the point raised at the next meeting - Though I am 100% certain they will raise it anyway. BUT: Only money will fix the standard of stewarding, and the money isn't there unless you want to take it away from something else - player wages, academy and so on) EDIT: I should add; it is traditional (and good form) for the club to offer Martin and family (I assume ST holders?) a change of seat/area and a "sorry for not doing better". Knowing Scholesy, it'll be announced fairly soon that we have done so. ah
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Post by Lakeland Potter on Jan 9, 2008 15:05:51 GMT
Cheers Andy, I'll copy this thread to Tel in case he has missed it.
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Post by dman on Jan 9, 2008 15:21:07 GMT
Reminds me of when me and my family were attacked in the sentinal a few years back whilst the idiots were on their way to start the riot my partner got kicked repeatedly in the head, i ended up wrestling one of them nad my nan and grandad had to keep my 10yr old brother safe as best they could, i didnt feel safe in that ground for a long time so i stopped going, and my grandad aint been back since, and hed been following the club since the 30's. However through Tel and Jonathon Fuller we got a tour of the ground etc and ive found a new home in the lower JS, still not as comfy as i once was, but i wasnt going to let a bunch of mindless morons spoil it for me. So get well soon dude and the lil chav scum will get caught one way or another
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Post by GlynDerby on Jan 9, 2008 15:33:57 GMT
Upon kick off at every game the camera does an auto scan of everybody in the ground at that time and where they are sitting.It covers every seat. Obviously if your not in your seat at kick off then its not fool proof but If he knows where they were sitting then a quick visit to stokes control centre to review tapes and they will easily find them. i'm sure the police and the club are doing this and I'd imagine this has already been done and you'll be seeing still pictures of these people in the paper this week.....
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Post by jarhead on Jan 9, 2008 15:40:24 GMT
Fuckin scum council chavs probably who need a bullet,thats what is wrong today cowardly scrubbers with no respect.
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Post by armitagestokie on Jan 9, 2008 15:45:00 GMT
sad state of affairs----mindless nutters who couldn't give a shit about decent folk---come and sit in the Seddon, grand load of folk in there--hope your scars heal and don't allow the twats to grind you down
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Post by broadwayroundabout on Jan 9, 2008 15:57:19 GMT
This might not sound right but its meant with good intention, i enjoy travelling with Stoke, its good feeling to have people around that you know would'nt stand back and let anyone take a beating they did'nt deserve, not the case if a Stokie started the trouble, you know the type, all mouth no bollox and then expect others to back him up...get on with it son, no more than you deserve, these are the type that were respnsible no doubt, but this to happen in our own ground by our own so called supporters is unbelievible.....i for 1 would'nt be responsible for my actions if i saw that sort of thing happening....i suggest the police ask the company who provides the "security" who was supposed to be covering that area and drag their arses down the police station for formal interviews, and if they are seen on CCTV ignoring it i suggest SCFC take some sort of action against them and the Company. Martin i hope you're on the mend and if you feel up to it, go to the next home match stand where you normally stand point out the scumbags to the police if they are there (doubt it though). I hope "justice" is served (if not by the law) sometime in the near future. Get well soon.
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Post by altair on Jan 9, 2008 16:18:50 GMT
Were there not posters on this board promising a good kicking to non-Pulis supporters who dared to voice their opinion in the Boothen? Sportsthug 50? Lawt?
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Post by eeebygum on Jan 9, 2008 17:07:12 GMT
A lot is being said about stewards, but this is perhaps as much about the behaviour of the majority and what we are prepared to accept and do.
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Post by JetBlack on Jan 9, 2008 17:34:42 GMT
The stewards should be carpeted for not trying to sort it out. If they didn't move in then they should be disciplined.
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Post by dnl3989 on Jan 9, 2008 17:37:47 GMT
Does the guy post on here?
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Post by bayernoatcake on Jan 9, 2008 17:38:18 GMT
These tossers need banning at the vary least. Total and utter disgrace and they should be punished. What's the world coming to when someone gets beat up for asking someone to stop doing something rayt annoying!
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Post by stokietony on Jan 9, 2008 17:38:20 GMT
Can't be Proper Stoke. Name And Shame
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