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Post by JR on Jan 19, 2004 13:32:18 GMT
Just wondering what folk's opinions are on it.
Personally can't see the problem with teams taking quick free kicks, after all they are supposed to be an advantage to the penalised side. We scored from doing the same on Saturday although a completely different kind of goal.
The commentator said to a moaning David O'Leary after the game that Ian Harte had done the same for Leeds under his reign.......O'Leary said that was irrelevant!!!!! One rule for one?
Is there a rule that says you have to wait for the other team to organise?
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Post by Admin on Jan 19, 2004 13:36:45 GMT
My understanding JR is that a team can take a free-kick as quickly as possible providing the referee hasn't told them to wait (while he books someone, for example) or if he is directly involved in moving the wall back. Neither of those two things were the case yesterday and O'Leary is being a stupid kid and, as you said, a hypocrite as well.
By chance, our goal on Saturday was also scored from a quickly taken free-kick, while The Dons were dozing!
Smudge
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Post by AlliG on Jan 19, 2004 14:07:55 GMT
The referee asks the attacking team whether they want to take it quickly or whether they want to wait for him to move the wall to the correct position?
If the attacking team want the wall moved back, the ref will (should) hold his whistle in the air to indicate to everyone that the attacking team have to wait for the whistle.
By now every team should be aware of the rules, so can only have themselves to blame (including us at Crystal Palace last season) if they fall victim to a quick free-kick.
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Post by romfordstokie on Jan 19, 2004 14:11:09 GMT
Surely the fact that that daft bastard Halsey was obscuring the keepers view should come in ti it?
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Post by JR on Jan 19, 2004 14:13:29 GMT
I can't see the problem with it personally. Wasn't the rule of a yellow card for players standing over the ball a rule that was brought in to encourage quick free kicks?
Like our goal v Dons and Palace last season as you say, it seems that if a team score from a move involving a quick free kick it's acceptable.
O'Leary was quite happy to praise Harte last time.......strange that.
In all fairness the ref was getting the wall back when Henry asked to take it and he then moved away.
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Post by TheWiseMaster on Jan 19, 2004 14:22:19 GMT
The second goal was worse when the Arsenal forward barged into the defender and then fell over for the penalty
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Post by romfordstokie on Jan 19, 2004 14:29:30 GMT
I've got a real blind spot when it comes to the Arse. I wish them plague pestilence and misery. I think that both Henry and Wenger should be deported and genuinely believe them to be the biggest bunch of cheats in the league.
I even hate there fans. That utter wank rag Alan Davies's column in the Times is all thats wrong with the modern game. Jonathan Bastard Creek, I wish that cunt would die a mysterious fucking death.
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Post by ReggieRibs on Jan 19, 2004 15:48:26 GMT
Always remember Gordon Strachan putting a similar one past Foxy at the Vic around 1990 for Leeds. Had the right hump about it at the time  |
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Post by domstoke on Jan 19, 2004 16:00:07 GMT
I remember that Strachan one too, I was fucking fuming for days! ;D Was that in the Zenith cup match that we lost on penalties?
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Post by JR on Jan 19, 2004 16:01:44 GMT
And Leeds did in during the famous 3-2 defeat at the Brit didn't they?
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Post by ReggieRibs on Jan 20, 2004 0:07:29 GMT
Fairly sure it was the only goal of the game, early on in our relegation season.
Vinnie Jones was winding up the Stokies in the Boothen Stand a treat after the final whistle.
Twat.
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Post by Trouserdog on Jan 20, 2004 12:56:10 GMT
It's interesting what could happen if someone was fouled, a free kick given, and the player just got straight up and twatted the ball into the net before the defending team could even THINK about getting a wall together. Would a goal be given? Providing the ball was stationary before it was kicked?
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Post by Admin on Jan 20, 2004 13:08:37 GMT
Trouserdog,
In those circumstances a goal should be given.
Why should the forward have to wait for the defending team to be ready?
Smudge
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Post by JR on Jan 20, 2004 13:24:32 GMT
Surely a free kick is an advantage to the team penalised?? I hate this standing over the ball some teams adopt. You tend to get Andy Gray complain when a player is booked for deliberately blocking a quick free kick.why? Surely it's a yellow card offence, blatant gamesmanship (cheating) in my book.
As we saw on Saturday, a quick free kick can change the outcome of a game. If a player commits a foul then surely the opposition shouldn't have to play to their advantage by waiting until they get organised.
Good thinking by Henry.
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Post by browneyedboy on Jan 20, 2004 13:49:57 GMT
Is there a rule that says you have to wait for the other team to organise? I don't know what the rules are but I think the rules ought to say that the ref immediately asks the team with the ball if they want the wall set up or if they want to take the kick quickly. If they opt for the former then play should not restart until the ref has moved the wall and blown his whistle. Simple. Then there'd be no arguments over quick free kicks. |
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Post by romfordstokie on Jan 20, 2004 13:52:17 GMT
Surely now defending a free kick is completely impossible. If the guy wants to take a quick one and it hits a defender the defende is booked. If he starts retreating and therefore isn't paying full attention its bad defending.
If you're Arsenal the ref can have a quick word with you, make no signal, obscure the ball from the goalkeeper allow the taker to move it a foot to the right and then allow the goal. Yep very fair
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Post by Pricey on Jan 20, 2004 13:52:35 GMT
I think that is the rule Dave?
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Post by JR on Jan 20, 2004 13:57:19 GMT
Isn't that what basically happened though Dave?
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Post by browneyedboy on Jan 20, 2004 15:31:06 GMT
Isn't that what basically happened though Dave? I haven't seen the goal in question, but I was making a general comment on what I feel the rule should be. Whether that is the current rule or not I don't know. If that is what happened, I don't see what all the fuss is about. Why anyone could argue you shouldn't be able to take a free kick quickly in an attacking position, when you can do so anywhere else on the pitch, is beyond me. Why should the defending team be allowed time to set up a wall when they committed the offence? I'm not directing the question to you JR, but to those who might argue the goal was unfair. |
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Post by browneyedboy on Jan 20, 2004 15:34:47 GMT
Surely now defending a free kick is completely impossible. If the team didn't commit a foul in the first place... Of course, ok, referees get it wrong (very often against us), but still, the team who were fouled should rightly hold the upper hand. |
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Post by JR on Jan 20, 2004 15:36:54 GMT
Basically was a free kick edge of the box, ref was standing over the ball, Henry asked if he could take a quick one. The ref stepped away and he popped it over the wall and into the net.
Ian Harte did EXACTLY the same 3 seasons back and O'Leary praised him for it.
As you pointed out Dave, was exactly to the guidelines you mentioned.
The only ones who deemed it unfair was O'Leary, Sorenson and a few Villa players. (obviously supporters as well). I'm sure had it been at the other end there would have been no problem.
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Post by Chorley on Jan 20, 2004 15:38:01 GMT
I remember Leicester getting away with it against us when we won 3-2 at their gaff early in the ...er...94/95 or 95/96 season.. ..however, you see some defending teams all too often cheat like buggery in these situations...inching forward being one of the most irritating... Like many things in footie, when your team does it and gets away with it, you're much less likely to kick up a fuss.... It's all swings and roundabouts...  |
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