Instinctiveness cannot be coached and that is why?

[tazi]

Our defence are currently conceding goals due to Simmo "and now it appears Hoult" not knowing insitictively in coming for crosses into our box.

In my opinion the above is true, and if so then i dont really know what the answer is unless it's not out of the question that Simmo "as much as i like him" is replaced.

[MilanStokie]

I disagree. Coming for crosses is a technique, judging the flight, the speed, the spin. There is no talent in that, you aren;t born with the ability to judge that sort of differing movement. You have though, coordination, which can obviously be improved. Get both of them catching crosses for a week non-stop and there WILL be an improvement.

[POS51]

After carefull translation i have decided that you raise a valid point.

Simmo is capable of gathering crosses, maybe a more experienced, vocal, centre back helps him?

iv always played in goal, its better to have a vocal centre back.

[mountain1863]

i think that is where higgy and dubbery had always helped out simmo they were the ones to shout for crosses tell simmo to come out etc at the moment i dont think corty and shawcross are very vocal i have said since the start of the season simmo looks shaky on crosses and corners! we either need
A) a new goal keeping coach up will improve both keepers adility to claim balls coming into their boxes etc
B) get Shawcross and Cort to be more vocal.....?

i would say shot stopping is a natural ability not something you can learn experience helps you to gain more ability but with crosses and corners you need to know when and were you should come out to claim/punch a ball away with some of the europeanesque goalkeeping we no see in the english league

[AlliG]

I think POS51 is nearer to the answer than tazi.

What we really miss at the moment is someone like Gerry Taggart who can organise and control the defence (and the keepers).

A dominant and commanding centre half would allow our shot stopping keeper to "stay at home" and do what he is best at.

Let's be honest. Simmo is one of a number of good English keepers who are prevented from being very good because they are deficient in 1 area of their game (usually crosses).

Both Cort and Shawcross are individually very good centre halves, but maybe their strengths and weaknesses are too similar to make a great partnership?

[luke45]

well to be honest, i think our defence has been as shaky as it is partly because, with your keeper out of form, it doesn't work wonders for the back-four's confidence, and maybe that works the same way with simmo, making mistakes partly because his defence is not playing to there best......just a theory

[mountain1863]

what comes first the chicken or the egg situation there luke

[luke45]

basically both the defence and the keeper are out of form, so both lack confidence in each other, thus effecting each other's performance......i think........so would that make it the egg?

[tazi]

Cosacss.

I was not implying that every cross could be dealt with because same as you say there are different types of movement but those crosses that are straight forward are simply not being dealt with and those are the ones that i am on about.

[mountain1863]

id have thort that was the chicken......or ar you right and thats the egg......ive confused my self now

[POS51]

It can be difficult knowing when to come out for a cross, especially with a crouded area.

If a defender shouts nothing a keeper might assume its going to be dealt with.
On the other hand, if the keeper thinks he can get it, shout its yours and get it anyway.

The keepers and defenders should get together with both sets of coaches and decided which it should be.

My cousins a football coach, he teaches keepers to shout and get it everytime, if possible.

[apb1]

tazi said:

Our defence are currently conceding goals due to Simmo "and now it appears Hoult" not knowing insitictively in coming for crosses into our box.

In my opinion the above is true, and if so then i dont really know what the answer is unless it's not out of the question that Simmo "as much as i like him" is replaced.

Tazi why do you put " marks around expressions like "as much as I like him"? Who are you quoting?

[mountain1863]

should be brackets hey ( ) get back to school

[Olgrligm]

I think that part of the problem is that Simonsen isn't vocal enough, he needs to communicate with his defence more (and to be fair, they need to communicate back). Hoult hasn't been in the first team before and probably doesn't have a real understanding.

Simonsen and four defenders should just have to defend our free kick routines and corner routines over and over again in training to see if that helps. It'd go some way, but I suppose it doesn't account for the fact that in reality, Sidibe would be marking a man in the middle and most of the midfield would be involved in defending somewhere.

[mermaidsal]

Keep the chicken and the egg but change the goalkeeping coach. Seriously, I reckon what this is telling us isn't get two new keepers but get them a better coach.

[mountain1863]

that was one of my thoughts as well mate

[lancer]

Gordon Banks didn't think about communictions or laisons. When the ball was in, or about to enter HIS box, it was HIS. The same with Dennis Herod, Jimmy O'Neill, Peter Shilton or even Johnny Farmer till Mauirice Setters pissed him about. The box was holy ground to those lads and they bossed iot.
Hard to criticise todays keepers, the game had change so much.
Despite his occasssonal lapses, I think Simmo is a top draw goalie.

[lancer]

Forgot to mention Johnny King, a giant amongst giants!

[mountain1863]

i agree totally about the lads you've mentioned there the were the kings of their boxes this is the issue we raise simmo is the best shot stopper in the league he now needs to tweek his ariel abilities......his presance within his box needs to be improved in some way ?

[lancer]

You've got it, Mountain. Simmo should be going for EVERY ball in the box. Communication is o.k. but it takes vital time. Every defender should be made aware of the goalies domain, and the goalie should know that it's his call first, figuratively speaking.

[mountain1863]

its a shame that we as supporters can see this but the management do nothing about them if i at werk was not werking to my full abilities managers would adress the issue and re train or at least have a chat and try to encourage me to do better.....