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Post by n01stokie on Aug 18, 2008 19:04:04 GMT
people seem to be moaning about the davies signing, because we are signing a cb to play rb but does it really matter? Pulis doesn't play with attacking full backs and as long as his defending is sound then he will be a good signing.
I think he would rather play with a right sided centre back at right back and a left sided centre back at left back if we are defensively sound does it matter?
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Post by stokieg on Aug 18, 2008 19:04:40 GMT
Yes we do!
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Post by canadianmoose on Aug 18, 2008 19:09:20 GMT
Yes, we do.
I'm afraid banging the ball into the channels is not going to work in this division. It' wouldn't be so bad if we could actually have someone willing to run after it and retain posession. If we keep giving the ball back to the opposition every week, we are doomed!
I have faith that we will have the right players by the end of the month and the nerves will have settled with the players.
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2008 19:10:18 GMT
I'm a believer that full backs play at full back and centre backs at centre back so yes we do. 3 totally different postitons.
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Post by smokeyjoe on Aug 18, 2008 19:11:09 GMT
defensively sound? doesn't that imply having some pace as well as marking and tackling ability. The full backs should be able to take care of the oppositions wingers and try and prevent the crosses coming in; as well as supporting our own wingers ( if we had any). In my belief, full backs are equally as important as the centrebacks
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Post by Winge on Aug 18, 2008 20:15:21 GMT
i agree with smokeyjoe.... have some karma mate
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 18, 2008 20:24:53 GMT
people seem to be moaning about the davies signing, because we are signing a cb to play rb but does it really matter? Pulis doesn't play with attacking full backs and as long as his defending is sound then he will be a good signing. I think he would rather play with a right sided centre back at right back and a left sided centre back at left back if we are defensively sound does it matter? I must admit that's worked a treat in the past with Thomas, Higginbotham, Hill...  |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2008 20:26:28 GMT
Why do people think the full back and wing positions aren't specialised? I really don't get it!
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 18, 2008 20:31:26 GMT
Why do people think the full back and wing positions aren't specialised? I really don't get it! Well, I expect that there are two reasons for that. Firstly, we have got away with not having specialists in the past, and secondly it appears that Tony holds that view, so some people will agree on principle. I think that when you have the right players (even in the wrong position) it can work dependant on their quality. In the CCC the quality we had was generally equal to or better than our rivals. In the Prem, by playing players out of natural position, I fear we would be making live hard for ourselves. |
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Post by steve66 on Aug 18, 2008 20:36:29 GMT
Riggott is a centre back isn't he?He made a vast difference when forced to play right back,I would go as far as to say that move ensured our promotion even though he didn't stay for last few games.
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Post by MrMagic on Aug 18, 2008 20:38:59 GMT
Riggott is a centre back isn't he?He made a vast difference when forced to play right back,I would go as far as to say that move ensured our promotion even though he didn't stay for last few games. That was one of the cases I was considering when I said that if you have the quality. It's not a moan, just an observation that it's bound to be harder in the PL, and attracting the kind of player who is so good that they can be effective in multiple postions is a big ask |
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Post by PotterLog on Aug 18, 2008 20:39:13 GMT
Why do people think the full back and wing positions aren't specialised? I really don't get it! You mean like TP? ;D |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2008 20:39:53 GMT
Why do people think the full back and wing positions aren't specialised? I really don't get it! Well, I expect that there are two reasons for that. Firstly, we have got away with not having specialists in the past, and secondly it appears that Tony holds that view, so some people will agree on principle. I think that when you have the right players (even in the wrong position) it can work dependant on their quality. In the CCC the quality we had was generally equal to or better than our rivals. In the Prem, by playing players out of natural position, I fear we would be making live hard for ourselves. It can work but we play crap players out of position. If Cressy had one attribute of a left winger I could see the logic. But he has none. It can work but You need good players to do it. Like Riggott last season. He is a good defender and did well in an unfamilar position. Cresswell is a 6 yard striker playing on the left. Big difference. |
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Post by bayernoatcake on Aug 18, 2008 20:40:28 GMT
Why do people think the full back and wing positions aren't specialised? I really don't get it! You mean like TP? ;D Indeed I do! I can't understand why he does it. |
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Post by Beardy200 on Aug 18, 2008 20:42:39 GMT
I'd rather have a full back that has the capabilty to go forwards even if TP tells him just to stay put. It's all well and good saying CBs at FB are OK as long as they are defensively sound. But what happens when we are losing? With CBs at FB we will be limiting our options going forward as let's be honest not many of them are up to playing forward down the channels. I think Cort or Shawcross would get a nose bleed if they found themselves on the wing in the other half.
That being said i've not seen Davies and as he's played plenty at RB before he may be better going forward than your average CB.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 18, 2008 21:36:44 GMT
people seem to be moaning about the davies signing, because we are signing a cb to play rb but does it really matter? Pulis doesn't play with attacking full backs and as long as his defending is sound then he will be a good signing. I think he would rather play with a right sided centre back at right back and a left sided centre back at left back if we are defensively sound does it matter? Christ on a bike, so much I disagree with here: First, don't necessarily agree that "Pulis doesn't play with attacking full backs". John Halls, Marcus Hall, and Griff when he was good all liked to get forward. Secondly we DO need full backs, as anyone who saw the game on Saturday will attest. It IS an important and specialised position, as Bayern says. Remember when we lost Thomas and Clarke and had to make do with Buxton and Broomes? Getting forward is an important part of the full back's role, as well as being able to defend. That's not to say that there aren't CBs who CAN get forward when switched to playing RB as well (Richards, Corluka etc.) so hopefully Davies is another one who is similarly adept. |
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Post by thepremierbanksy on Aug 18, 2008 21:47:59 GMT
Anyone who witnessed broomes and buxton as our full back pairing can testify how it fucks up the shape of your entire side having wank full backs.
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